Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Zues770 on June 08, 2008, 01:14:01 AM
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Mine was Marco because I identified with him as the guy who never got a girlfriend lol
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Tobias, he was the most like me. Second was Ax, and then cassie. Fourth is david. then rachel. sixth is jake. Marco was my least favourite.
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Sorry morf but I had to smite you for that. My order is Marco, Ax, Rachel, Tobias, Jake and Cassie.
Go ahead and smite me to if you want.
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Originally it was Marco. I thought he was cute. One of my first AOL screen names was Marcolovr. I was eleven...shut up. :P
Now? It's a tie between Marco and Rachel pre-ghostwriters. I think Marco may still be in the tops though. I can identify with his personality the most. We're both sarcastic, and we both have a tendency to look out for ourselves. Although I do have Rachel's tendency to look for unnecessary thrills.
Yeah, sorry morf. Marco is last? You get a-smited.
My order: Marco, Rachel, Tobias, Ax, Jake, Cassie.
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Sorry morf but I had to smite you for that. My order is Marco, Ax, Rachel, Tobias, Jake and Cassie.
Go ahead and smite me to if you want.
oh thanks. You smite me just because I have different opinions. You two are so going to be smited as well. You can count on that.
Yes marco is last. I just can relate to him as well as I can with the others. Although his books may be funny, his attitude can get on my nerves sometimes.
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Yay for intolerance!!!!
I've come to the conclusion that I never like the "leader". Jake in Animorphs, David in Everworld, Jack in LOST....they all bug me.
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I say Tobias still, mostly cause his book was the first I read, but his still a cool character.
Then for me I guess it's Marco, Jake, Ax/Rachel then Cassie.
I do fill Rachel's character got so devolved aside for the MM's after 27.
And I'll admit, I kinda liked James. Kid raises up to become a leader and new captain of the second platoon; kinda neat
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And I'll admit, I kinda liked James. Kid raises up to become a leader and new captain of the second platoon; kinda neat
Its to bad that he was introduced so late, the whole Platoon actually, because it would have been interesting to see how they could have grown as the second Animorphs.
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Is Ax an Animorph? Isn't he just an Andalite bandit? Anyway, my favorite Animorph should be Jake, I always wish I could keep my cool like that even at the verge of my own death.
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I don't know. most fans say yes he is. Me, I say he is, but I have the proof that he's not.
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I'd have to go with Marco, I loved his sense of humor, his narration was a definite highlight of the series, and I was in agreement with him when it came to most of the issues.
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the only issue I can remember agreeing with him was the issue of what to do with David, and that's because I already knew what david would be like (I read #22 before #20).
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Tobias because other than the having a crappy home life and getting beat up in school he was exactly like me.
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Tobias, because angsty characters are a guilty pleasure of mine.
After that, I'd say it's Marco, Ax, Rachel, Cassie, then Jake. Actually, Cassie and Jake are tied for last place. They both bothered me at the end.
Funny how when I first read the books, the order was: Cassie, Tobias, Rachel, Marco, Jake, then Ax.
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Hm. Tobias is my favorite. I identify with him a lot. After that I would have to say Jake, Marco, Ax, Rachel, and last Cassie. Those middle few are really hard to put in order, i like them all a lot.
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Okay...
Rachel and Marco tie for first, Jake, Tobias and Ax, Cassie
I hated Cassie. Rachel was cool, I always love the tough girl, and Marco was funny, and I love his sense of humor and sarcasm. But, really, all the Animorphs were totally awesome. Even Cassie is okay I guess.
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Rachel and Jake for me. I just always liked them the most. But Ax is definately next.
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so where does david fit in your line. He's fourth on my list, as you can tell from my first post. If he had not turned traitor, he might've been 2nd or 3rd.
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Marco was my favorite. Mostly because he was the character most like me. And, I thought he was funny, of course. After that, there really is no order. I pretty much liked Marco the most and all the others the same.
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Ax, cause he so crazy! :)
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how come nobody like cassie?
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Cuz Cassie was overly preachy, her morales be the dominant factor of her stories and it got old quickly.
At least that's my reason
Plus she's the "anomaly" which really ticked me off.
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Yeah, but her other actions make up for that, in my opinion. Besides, she wasn't over preaching, to me.
Why does being an anomaly tick you off?
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Well; cuz everything ticks me off :P
But also because I thought
1: Cassie already had enough to set her apart
and 2: It was totally unneeded to make one person who transcends time lines. Complete and other b.s. if you ask me
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I think it really was needed. Coming with being a time anomaly is the ability to sense other people's emotions, that's why people say Cassie is mystic or something. I didn't get what you said about being enough to set her apart though....
I think everyboy forgot, but she's also the Estreen, in an actual battle, Cassie would win because she would finish her morphing way ahead of any other Animorph or Ax.
The Ellimist knew at some point that Jake would give in. After all, everyone has a limit, thus Cassie was chosen.
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The Ellimist knew at some point that Jake would give in. After all, everyone has a limit, thus Cassie was chosen.
Stupid Ellimist...stop knowing things! Gah...
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what's wrong with the ellimist knowing things?
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I was glad he knew things. If he didn't know things and was a complete brute like Visser Three... well, you know what would happen....
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yeah. He'd join forces with crayak...
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Worse, after he joins forces with Crayak, he would be betrayed before he knew it, so that Crayak would have the universe to himself. :P
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The Ellimist knew at some point that Jake would give in. After all, everyone has a limit, thus Cassie was chosen.
Exactly the problem. I'm sure I've mentioned this somewhere else but, the notion of any of them being "chosen" really really reallyreallyreallyr eallyreallyreallyre allyreallyreallyrea llyreallyreallyreal lyreallyreallyreall yreallyreallyreally
bugs me.
And again I'm sure I've said this; but the Ellimist isn't all knowing, all seeing, he can't know if Jake is gonna break down. He can assume; and really can't we all seeing as his job was just to SAVE THE FREAKING WORLD, and that's kinda stressful
And actually the thing about being and Estreen, combined with her roles in things like the David crisis, the Yeerk peace movement, the blue box, is what I was talking about for setting her apart; Cassie's character gets built up more and more until she's practically the Avatar, well Rachel's degraded to a psycho, Jake Tobias into the emo-3000 and everyone else shifting to more one dimensional aspects.
Plus I don't think being a time anomaly makes you empathetic, if so I was an anomaly till age 14
And Ax doesn't morph in battle to often, I think he could still handle Cassie
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wait what? what does ax being able to handle cassie have anything to do with what you just said?
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ah.... i see your point Terenia. But, if the Ellimist could assume. Well, then he probably assumed that Jake would give in... and the whole speech that comes with that statement. ;D
uhm... the thing about Ax taking out Cassie, it was something I mentioned earlier:
I think it really was needed. Coming with being a time anomaly is the ability to sense other people's emotions, that's why people say Cassie is mystic or something. I didn't get what you said about being enough to set her apart though....
I think everyboy forgot, but she's also the Estreen, in an actual battle, Cassie would win because she would finish her morphing way ahead of any other Animorph or Ax.
The Ellimist knew at some point that Jake would give in. After all, everyone has a limit, thus Cassie was chosen.
ok, I was wrong, Ax could take her out. Tobias too, probably... ;D
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Um, I'm confused
Did you just call me Terenia ???
Cuz i called the Ellimist on assuming stuff.
or did I miss something :-[
So yeah...
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ah.... i see your point Terenia. But, if the Ellimist could assume. Well, then he probably assumed that Jake would give in... and the whole speech that comes with that statement. ;D
uhm... the thing about Ax taking out Cassie, it was something I mentioned earlier:
I think it really was needed. Coming with being a time anomaly is the ability to sense other people's emotions, that's why people say Cassie is mystic or something. I didn't get what you said about being enough to set her apart though....
I think everyboy forgot, but she's also the Estreen, in an actual battle, Cassie would win because she would finish her morphing way ahead of any other Animorph or Ax.
The Ellimist knew at some point that Jake would give in. After all, everyone has a limit, thus Cassie was chosen.
ok, I was wrong, Ax could take her out. Tobias too, probably... ;D
I found the post, but that last line isn't there...
Not as confused as I am rob.
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The Ellimist knew at some point that Jake would give in. After all, everyone has a limit, thus Cassie was chosen.
Stupid Ellimist...stop knowing things! Gah...
I made a comment about it too. See! ::points up::
But yeah, I'm with RYTX on this. I really hate the idea of them being the "chosen ones". It's just so....hokey....
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okay.
well then
so long as everything is cleared up
*pretends to know what is meant by hokey...*
;)
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sorry, I got everyone mixed up.... now I don't know who I replied to, Terenia, or RYTX, or both... or worse.... neither of them... ???
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hokey, cheesy, corny, overly convenient.
Take your pick. :)
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I choose cool
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That is not an option!!! >:( >:( >:(
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relax it was just a joke.
Not that I wouldn't have chosen cool if it was an option.
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That is not an option!!! >:( >:( >:(
wtf, why is that making me laugh so hard?!
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macro is better then tobias but i picked ax cause i love aliens not getting human culture
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The Ellimist knew at some point that Jake would give in. After all, everyone has a limit, thus Cassie was chosen.
Stupid Ellimist...stop knowing things! Gah...
I made a comment about it too. See! ::points up::
But yeah, I'm with RYTX on this. I really hate the idea of them being the "chosen ones". It's just so....hokey....
Aww, don't think of it as being chosen b/c if you think about the Ellimst DIDNt choose them. He stacked the deck, but they weren't chosen.
The war chose THEM. Time/space chose THEM. Not the Ellimist. Edriss just happened to take the host body of Eva and become Visser One. Eva just happened to have a son named Marco.
Cassie was an anomaly, not chosen or created by the Ellimist. But a virus in the space/time continuum, a rare happening. Sub temporally grounded.
Ax just happened to be Elfangor's brother. Elfangor, being a key figure in the war, especially with the creation of Visser Three, just happened to have a time-shifted son named Tobias. The Ellimist tried to correct the damage Elfangor did using the Time matrix. Nothing strange there.
Jake's brother being a Controller? No coincidence. That's just what happens. But Jake was the connection to them all. And he had leadership qualities. Natural. He wasnt just zapped with them. Rachel...nothing to say about since she wasnt part of the plan.
None of these were coincidences. These were natural happenings. Now, the Ellimist SAW a possibility. A small chance, an opportunity, and he took it. He noticed these individuals, these products of space/time/war from afar and coerced them to the same location one night to change their lives.
They weren't chosen. The Ellimist did not create them. There was no original purpose for their making. But he brought them together b/c he saw their ties to the war and the change they could bring about.
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1 applaud for filmstu2005, coming up.
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I love that theory, filmstu. Just one question:
What about the scene in TAC where Elfangor sees his son, his brother and four other timelines joining up? Did the Ellimist see the opportunity before most of them had even been born since he transcends the space-time continuum?
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I had to go with Tobias just because to me he was a strong individual, I mean once he was given the choice to go human and be stuck, even if you say he wanted to be a hawk more than human he still always had a chance a way out something that no one would have looked down on him for to leave the war and he never did.
Second I'd have to go with Marco, he seemed exactly like how I feel I would have acted always just as willing as the rest but complaining and cracking jokes the whole way, not to mention he really was smart about things, I have a feeling without him the others would have been caught doing something dumb like talking about things on the phone or in school or not thinking plans through all the way before even, say... book seven ever happened.
Next would have to be Rachel. Well untill the end when she started being degraded and brought down to some ruthless heartless killer, I never really liked that. She became this one dimensional character you were made to believe just loved to kill. It was a little much.
Jake would come after that. I really dont even know why. Especially at the end when I still feel he sent Rachel in to die strictly for his own personal vendetta against the yeerk in Tom's head. I hold that against him. I mean the blade ship still got away the only difference was that Tom and Rachel died, thats all that changed. Plus if he planned on shooting down the blade ship anyways if it werent for Erek then what was the point of rachel being there, he just sent her in to die.
Then would be Ax just because he cracked me up. Crack-uh-duh. I loved it. He would be higher on my list if everytime he ran into andalites he wasnt so quick to sell out the animorphs, or in the end when he considered betraying them so his andalites could come "quarantine" Earth.
And lastly is most certainly Cassie. I just never liked her. Constantly saying how terrible what they are doing is and sympathizing with the yeerks. She puts all of her friends in danger multiple times just because she morally doesnt feel right about it.
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Definitely Jake--always was, and always will be. I always liked him the most when I was reading the books--I liked his personality, his situation, his relationship with Cassie, etc, and his utterly tragic arc at the end just made me feel for the guy and be interested in him all the more. I remember when getting a MM2 book for example I specifically wanted the Jake one, since he was my favorite character. I even had a little crush on him back then! ;)
After Jake, the order of characters is more tricky, though it'd probably Cassie, Ax, Tobias, Marco, Rachel. Cassie I could identify most with I think, and J/C was my OTP of the series, and I loved Ax and Marco's humor, even if they (especially Marco) could be annoying at times. As for Rachel, I just never was all that interested in her character--her belligerence irritated me a lot as well, and I could never identify all that much with her. *shrug* Though really even Rachel I still like, just not as much as the others....
If David is to be included he'd come DEAD last, I could never stand him, and hated that whole trilogy!
Especially at the end when I still feel he sent Rachel in to die strictly for his own personal vendetta against the yeerk in Tom's head. I hold that against him
I don't think so--he did it because it was necessary. They couldn't let the Blade ship get away and conquer new races, as Cassie pointed out--not in good conscience. They were too dangerous, and they didn't know Erek would do what he did. So yeah, it was poorly planned and executed perhaps, but it was part of important strategy, not vengeance--after all, he was killing his brother as well, which I don't think he'd do just to get revenge on the Yeerk within his head....
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If David is to be included he'd come DEAD last, I could never stand him, and hated that whole trilogy!
Hating David I can understand, but the whole trilogy!? :o Is that possible!?
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Them not knowing what erek would do was a big part of my point. They had planned on firing at the blade ship. And surely he knew that rachel by herself was not going to bring down a whole ship from the inside.
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If David is to be included he'd come DEAD last, I could never stand him, and hated that whole trilogy!
Hating David I can understand, but the whole trilogy!? :o Is that possible!?
Yep. I couldn't believe it when I saw how much people admired/revered it online! Sure, there was some excitement, but overall I just found David and the whole situation to be extremely irritating, and just didn't like the story much--they were not my favorite books....
Maybe on a re-read I'd change my mind (like with #54), but from what I remember I wasn't too fond of them at the time....*shrug*
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damn, the david trilogy is my favorite of the series and i absolutely loved davids character, to each his own i guess, oh wells
random thought, i kinda wish they had done another trilogy, the megamorphs were kinda cooler longer stories but the trilogy was something else
I think ive gotta stick with marco, good man, good outlook on life but at the same time a really tragic story and one of the deeper characters
my official list is
marco, rachel, jake, tobias, ax, cassie
but they are all really close and it can change easily based on whos book i last read, cause they all seem to throw a great outlook to their character
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Favourite character would have to be Rachel. I just love how she becomes more and more brutal throughout the series, and I've always been a somewhat violent person myself. Always one to throw myself into the middle of a fight. That, and she uses a Grizzly Bear as a battle morph. There's just something about being able to crush someones head with your own jaws.
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I love that theory, filmstu. Just one question:
What about the scene in TAC where Elfangor sees his son, his brother and four other timelines joining up? Did the Ellimist see the opportunity before most of them had even been born since he transcends the space-time continuum?
Lol. That would definitely make him omnipresent wouldn't it? I remember that scene. I dont think the Ellimist knows the definite future. But he can surely guess and see the possibilities like in that scene of those timeline drawings. But i do believe he transcends the space-time continuum which made that amalgam of timelines possible.
Thats still a tough question though
Wasnt he the one who created the Time Matrix? Giving anyone the power to travel back in time. (I dont remember, could it be used to go forward as well?)
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I'm not really sure that the time matrix really sends you forward or backwards in time. Thats what always confused me is that it just seems to make whatever you want. Remember the Andalite chronicles when Elfangor and Loren went back to earth and he told her to imagine a world just like her own but everyone expected her to be 18. I mean in that aspect it would seem they created some whole other universe as opposed to just going back to before she was taken by the skrit na.
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So in other words, the time matrix is just a time disrupter giving its master absolute power over time/space?
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So in other words, the time matrix is just a time disrupter giving its master absolute power over time/space?
That was my understanding of it yes. I mean obviously it could be used just to go backwards or forwards as well because thats how it was used in the megamorphs book. Always thought it was funny that he could have just imagined a world where things had happened the way he wanted them to have without going back and doing all the dirty work.
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i would have to go for Tobias because i relate most to him because we r kinda both loners
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Nobody likes Jake? He's my favorite guy. I don't know, I guess I just like calm guys, and 'guys in charge' ;D
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Yeah, Jake's my favorite too. Like him, I also get along with most people, although I really don't think I'm a leader or something. Recently, I'm a new kid in my university, a freshman, and somehow, I created this group composing of 5 people....
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Ax. He's funny and weird. My brother gave me book 8 to read awhile ago, and I loved Ax in that book. I really didn't care how arrogant he was or how much he went back to his own species.
Tobias, he's the one who I can best connect with. I'm a loner, and I got picked on majorly, not that much anymore, though, but still I do.
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I'm a loner, and I got picked on majorly, not that much anymore, though, but still I do.
I think its cause you like cats lol. No I'm kidding. I always thought Tobias was an overrated character for some reason. Maybe its because quiet loners get on my nerves, ironically I'm a loud ass loner. :P
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I say Cassie, Ax comes second because he's just so funny, and I always loved the aliens in the series. But Cassie first :)
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I don't think so--he did it because it was necessary. They couldn't let the Blade ship get away and conquer new races, as Cassie pointed out--not in good conscience. They were too dangerous, and they didn't know Erek would do what he did. So yeah, it was poorly planned and executed perhaps, but it was part of important strategy, not vengeance--after all, he was killing his brother as well, which I don't think he'd do just to get revenge on the Yeerk within his head....
Jake needed to take down Tom because unlike the other Yeerks on the Blade Ship, Tom wanted revenge. Visser One would never promote him further and allow him to climb the ranks because of Jake, so Tom was going to kill the Animorphs and Visser One. He was about to take down the Pool Ship when Rachel attacked. The other Yeerks didn't care about revenge, so they took off after the battle.
My favorite Animorph is Tobias. I've always related to him a lot. Next is Rachel. I loved her personality and how she managed to be strong in spite of everything that would be nagging at her. Next is Marco, his storyline was great, his philosophy about tragedy and comedy is very useful, and I share his sense of humor. Next is Jake, then Ax or Cassie, although I really liked all three of them.
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i like marco :)
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i like marco :)
As your favorite, or do you really...? :P
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haha :P as my favourite..he's not my type haha
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I am tied between Ax and Tobias.
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I don't think so--he did it because it was necessary. They couldn't let the Blade ship get away and conquer new races, as Cassie pointed out--not in good conscience. They were too dangerous, and they didn't know Erek would do what he did. So yeah, it was poorly planned and executed perhaps, but it was part of important strategy, not vengeance--after all, he was killing his brother as well, which I don't think he'd do just to get revenge on the Yeerk within his head....
Jake needed to take down Tom because unlike the other Yeerks on the Blade Ship, Tom wanted revenge. Visser One would never promote him further and allow him to climb the ranks because of Jake, so Tom was going to kill the Animorphs and Visser One. He was about to take down the Pool Ship when Rachel attacked. The other Yeerks didn't care about revenge, so they took off after the battle.
Yeah, the Tom thing was necessary, I can understand Jake's reasoning there.
I still can't forgive Jake for the seventeen thousand, though, but then, not all the blame was on his shoulders: Ax suggested it (and actually pressed the button, if I remember correctly), and none of the other Anis tried to stop him. So I can't forgive any of them, really. I always thought it was rather unfair that Jake got all the guilt and blame for that after the war; it wasn't solely his responsibility.
But yeah, Cassie and Ax. Although I'd say at least my top 3 faves overall aren't any of the 6 Anis.
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Probably Marco. He's funny, and has a sharp tacticle mind. He can be cruel sometimes, but he workd to get the job done. Whatever that job might be.
He's also one of the two real survivors of the war, along with cassie, even though he does go off to rescue Ax and might not have gotten back.
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Ah.... the responsibilities and liabilities of a leader... Jake probably believes that the actions and results of the actions of a leader's men, are also his responsibility....
I feel sorry for Tobias and Jake though... Jake lost what he was really fighting for at the beginning of the war. Tobias began as a messed up, no one to turn to kid.. and ends as a messed up, no one to turn to hawk....
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I'm going for Marco and Ax, just cause they are the funniestI have to flip coins on this type of question. =( Luck has never failed me.
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I think its Marco, Tobias, Cassie, Rachel then Jake. I dont know why, i never liked Jake. i dont count Ax as an animorph. marco RULZ! he is sooooooooo cute im in luv with him. :)
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AX is funny and awsome-uma-some
Marco is my second favorite he's always the one cracking the brilliant sarcastic jokes. ;D
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I think its cause you like cats lol. No I'm kidding. I always thought Tobias was an overrated character for some reason. Maybe its because quiet loners get on my nerves, ironically I'm a loud ass loner.
Yes, cats. That's the basic reason why everyone ignores me. And the fact that I like animorphs, yeah. (what kind of people would like a cat-loving animorphs/warriors lover?) And my writing really reflects it, it's tiny that way no one will read it. (I could show it to you if you like) And yes, I am a quiet loner. If I'm not talking about cats, warriors, or animorphs, then I can't stop talking.
Still like Tobias and Ax, nothing has changed there.
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i loved tobias the best cuz i identified with him the most. then its pretty much a tie between the rest except cassie, i couldnt stand her, but thats for another topic.
but i cant order the others cuz i like em the same but in different ways. marco is super funny, but so is ax, in his own way. rachel was just kick ass. jake had alot on his plate and still pulled thru for the others. i mean, how do u pick one over the other? i just cant do it :P
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Lol...I can't remember if i've ever posted here or not but oh well. I would have to say my favorite is Ax because he's adorable and absolutely cracks me up with his misunderstanding of Human stuff (i'm such an Ax fangirl hehe). But a close second would definitely be Rachel cuz she's hot and totally kicks a**! I wish I could be like her lol. I also really like Marco too for his jokes and sarcastic attitude^^.
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Rachel she fits my personality
of hit em hard and fast and
without regret
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probably a tie between ax and tobias.
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Marco's my favorite because he has a very interesting personality--he's the most comedic of the group but also the most ruthless.
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I said Jake and I don't remember why.
I think Marco and Ax are my favourites... with Jake and Tobias close behind them :)
They are all just so awesome.
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I know, it's hard to pick, right? xD
Jake is my second favorite; even though a lot of people probably think he's boring, I really like his leadership role in the story (probably because I'm not much of a leader myself).
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ya i hear u on that, jake was one of those serious types that kids at that age would find hard to relate to, but i always had major respect for him. and i always loved how marco was a jerk best friend to him. those 2 made an awesome best friend pair
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They were a great pair!
Though my all time favorite friendship pairing was Marco and Tobias. <333
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u mean just friend pairing right?
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Oh, yeah. I'm not a fan of Animorphs slash in general. xD
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haha jus checking, what with the fact that there always is that possibility since ppl like slash ::)
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Jake's my favorite, no contest. Rachel's secound, but only in the earlier-nonghost-written books. I can relate to him the most and I seem to like Ani-books more from his point of view. I admire his responsibility and decency.
And I think he balances Cassie and Rachel by doing what needs to be done but also whats right. And then secoundly, I admire Rachel's solid inner strengh and bravery.
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haha jus checking, what with the fact that there always is that possibility since ppl like slash ::)
speaking of which i once read a fanfic that had marco and ax slash and No not marco or ax morphed female it was odd to say the least especially when you consider that andalites have no visible orafices anyway my favorite would definitely be ax from one alien to another he rocks
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haha jus checking, what with the fact that there always is that possibility since ppl like slash ::)
speaking of which i once read a fanfic that had marco and ax slash and No not marco or ax morphed female it was odd to say the least especially when you consider that andalites have no visible orafices anyway my favorite would definitely be ax from one alien to another he rocks
like i said, some ppl are just interesting, to put it lightly
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tobias, cause we both have in a common. and then rachel, marco, ax, jake. i do not like cassie. i like tom, he never give up
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My favourite animorphs are in this order: Jake, Ax, Rachael, Tobias, Cassie, Marco.
Jake is so totally cool, he's the one who makes all the difficult decisions, and all the responsibility of the group, and of Earth, rests on him alone...
Marco is just like a Singaporean, always complaining. It gets tiresome sometimes when he keeps complaining.
Ax is a super funny dude, everytime i read his books there's always something hilarious.
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My favorite character was Cassie ;D idk why, I just like her type of characters I guess. Although I did sort of get the feeling that sometimes she just seemed a little too, I dunno, perfect? There seemed to be nothing wrong with her until she betrayed them XD
I don't have a problem with the rest of the characters, I love all of them but Cassie's my favorite :D
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My problem with Cassie is that (especially as the series went on) she became KA and the ghostwriters 'pet'. She seemed to get all the unique things like being 'temporally grounded', not getting sick in 29, having Aldrea choose her to possess. It became a game of 'And she can do this, and she can do this, and she can do this'. To put it bluntly, Cassie became a canon mary-sue, imo.
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My problem with Cassie is that (especially as the series went on) she became KA and the ghostwriters 'pet'. She seemed to get all the unique things like being 'temporally grounded', not getting sick in 29, having Aldrea choose her to possess. It became a game of 'And she can do this, and she can do this, and she can do this'. To put it bluntly, Cassie became a canon mary-sue, imo.
*nodnod* I agree, I didn't like her as much as I did in the beginning once the series ended, since she did become a mary-sue
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I'll agree that all those special things happening to her, and her betrayal of Jake, made me think less of her. I don't hate her, but I do put her at the bottom of my list.
I think MM4 could have worked fine without a time-space anomaly. I think Toby could have been a good candidate for Adrea, and it would have been the best opportunity to develop her character. Also, I think she should have finally started to get sick on the beach at the end of 29. Then the others run away, which would add a bit of humor to the end.
A sad thing is that she acted as Jake's anchor, so to speak. But at his weakest point she left him. Yes he had changed, but maybe she should have stayed with him anyway because he suffered quite a bit from the war. More than Tobias, in my opinion.
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A sad thing is that she acted as Jake's anchor, so to speak. But at his weakest point she left him. Yes he had changed, but maybe she should have stayed with him anyway because he suffered quite a bit from the war. More than Tobias, in my opinion.
idk about that, her being with him. Though I did think it was pretty stupid that she got together with some random person in the end :P Whereas Jake stayed single. You'd think three or so years of a relationship would mean something
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my favorite character was always Tobias, but now its a tie between him and Ax.
my order after them is Rachel, Marco, Jake, then Cassie, but lately i've found i can feel for Jake a lot more than the first time i read the series
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Cassie, because she loves animals so much. Like me. Then is Tobias, Rachel, Ax, Jake, and Marco.
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Rachel because her personality is like mine
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Cassie and Marco cuz both of them have done things that I would've done if I were an Animorph
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Have to go with Tobias. Then Ax, Rachel, Marco, Jake, and surprise surprise, Cassie is last.
Unlike most of the other responses I've seen here, my favorite character has nothing to do with who is most like me. In fact, if I were an Animorph, I think I'd actually be most like Cassie! But she's still last on my list, because she made so many stupid moral decisions where she put one life ahead of the fate of the world.
The World > one life <--This equation always holds true, no matter how much you think that 'all life is sacred.'
Mostly, I just like Tobias because he has a real depth of character, and because angst is fuuun.
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what if all life on the world is already dead? does the equation still hold true?
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what if all life on the world is already dead? does the equation still hold true?
When that happens, both sides of the equation would go to zero. Is 0 > 0? So no, I guess it doesn't always hold true.
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one life doesn't necessarily mean on earth does it? it could be a life in space...
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I always admired Rachel and Marco. They're pretty crafty get it done type people. I'm most like Jake I guess, but they def take the cake.
I wish Ax was actually on this site. "To where did they take the cake and who is they?" Just popped in my head.
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one life doesn't necessarily mean on earth does it? it could be a life in space...
"The World" does not imply earth. It could mean any world.
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but I said a life in space...space does not count as a world...
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I already conceeded the point that the equation doesn't always hold true, morf. What more do you want?
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something to talk about...isn't that what a forum is for?
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Which is all fine and good, of course, but we're completely off topic.
On that note, I bet Ax could prove this equation false in at least five different ways.
Ax: <You will see, if you divide both sides of the equation by two, that the right side would very quickly bleed to death and the left side would no longer be able to support life anyway. Alternately, if you were to differentiate both sides . . . > blah blah blah, a bunch of math talk nobody else could understand.
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I could...I understood all his explanations (or partly explanations cuz no one else listens to them...) in the books... you just need to add a little imagination to the equation and it becomes simple as pi (pun intended)...
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My order:
Marco & Cassie
Rachel
Ax
Jake & Tobias
I loved Marco because he was funny, but also very smart. He complained a lot, but he was always there and he was loyal.
Cassie was very down-to-earth and she always stayed real. People can think she thought too much about morals, but in my opinion, that was a good thing. I realise that when you're fighting a war, you can't feel sorry for everyone and think too much about what is right and what is wrong, but at the same time, you need someone like that.
If Cassie had fought the war herself, Earth would've been invaded for sure. But if any of the others had fought the war themselves, the same thing would've happened.
What made them strong was all of them together. They were all so different and while Marco and Rachel didn't feel like there was any point discussing morals as long as they won, Cassie thought about these things a little too much. But they never didn't do something just because she didn't like it, and they never just did something because Marco and/or Rachel or someone DID like it, or said it was necessary anyway.
I can understand why people get tired of Cassie, but the series needed her. The Animorphs needed her. She was the voice of sanity, so to speak. The others all often said that Cassie was different, that she could see things on a different level and not just think about what was there at the moment. And I think it was hard for her, being the only one like that.
Of course she thought so much about morals, because she was the only one doing it. Okay, that's not true - obviously the others also wondered whether what they were doing at the moment was really okay or not, at least Jake and Tobias. But not the same way.
Also, it was simply her personality, which of course is either very likeable or unlikeable ;)
Also, the whole thing about Cassie becoming the author and ghost writers' "pet" and all these things happening to her:
From the very beginning we had it explained to us that Cassie was special. Cassie wasn't like the others, and not just personality-wise. She was special.
Maybe these things were all planned from the beginning by the author/ghost writers. Maybe there were always special things meant to happen to Cassie. We always knew she was special, so is it really that strange that these things happened (or didn't happen) to her?
I also want to say that I have only read books 1-19 + The Andalite Chronicles + Megamorphs 1 & 4. There's a lot of stuff I've read a little about, but not yet read in the actual series, so there's a lot of stuff I don't know yet.
I know that Cassie later somehow betrays them, but I also know that it then turns out that she didn't actually betray them, only the others couldn't understand that at the moment. Also something about Cassie being different and seeing things on a deeper level.
Sorry, I haven't read about that yet! ::)
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Yay, someone else that isn't that fond of tobias!
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Yay, someone else that isn't that fond of tobias!
Me?
Well, I like him, I just think he's kind of boring ;) He's not one of my favourites, hehe ;)
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I like Cassie most. Why? Because I think believing in goodness at the level she does is the most brave thing. Then it's Ax, Tobias, Marco, Rachel and Jake.
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I like Cassie most. Why? Because I think believing in goodness at the level she does is the most brave thing. Then it's Ax, Tobias, Marco, Rachel and Jake.
I agree about Cassie :)
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For me it depends on when you ask, I change my favourite animorph at least every week. Rachel is the only one who have never been my favourite. Right now it is... I don't know I feel like saying Cassie because no one seems to like her but I don't know. Maybe I'm changing favourite again.
I try with the narrators of my favourite books instead. Then this is mine: Jake, Ax, Cassie, Marco, Tobias and Rachel have to be the last anyway as she hadn't been my favourite yet.
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Yay, someone else that isn't that fond of tobias!
Me?
Well, I like him, I just think he's kind of boring ;) He's not one of my favourites, hehe ;)
Yeah, I used to like him, and I never really disliked him, but he got on my nerves at times.
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OH MY GOD! The great Tobias actually has, dare I say it, some people who dont like him?!
Lol, seriously though, it is rare to hear that people actually dont like Tobias. I dont hate him, but he isn't my favorite. Rachel takes that spot...
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He is at the top of the poll list, though. Then Ax, who just barely beats out Marco.
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and last is cassie...why am I not surprised?
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Jake and Rachel are only one or two points above her.
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and last is cassie...why am I not surprised?
Seriously.
I hate how everyone hates the Cass.
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That was the best opinion this far...
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and last is cassie...why am I not surprised?
Because Cassie is annoying?
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and last is cassie...why am I not surprised?
Because Cassie is annoying?
that was a question that didn't need an answer...and she's not annoying to me...
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and last is cassie...why am I not surprised?
Because Cassie is annoying?
that was a question that didn't need an answer...and she's not annoying to me...
Ditto.
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boo cassie
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Blocky, you've read the first and part of the second book. Why boo cassie?
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what seriously? he's read less than 2 animorphs books?
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hm I've allready admit that Rachel is the only one who have never been my favourite, and that I don't have a favourite right now... Maybe I should chose Cassie again just to be mean...
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I like Aximili cause <_< he is blue
no seriously I also like Zoras
they are blue, Streamlined, cute , dangerous, and a bit arrogantly proud just like Andalites are
What is not to love
Plus I love how he can be serious one second and be a total goof the next.
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Tobias, I think he's pretty cool plus when he destroyed the Truck Ship that just had me sure he was awesome.
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they all had moments that made me go "oh you badass" and moments that made me go "SHUT THE HELL UP AND GET OUT OF MY BOOK"
I have to agree with the Cassie hate. Well, maybe not hate. But out of all of her "DON'T KILL THE BABY ANIMALS :(" whining she had maybe one or two valid points. The rest of it honestly felt just like a superficial way to hold back the plot with her random "WAIT WAIT WAIT WE CAN'T KILL AN ANT THAT CAN MORPH, IT HAS HUMAN DNA!" even though she killed it anyway out of disgust UGH I JUST HATED HER
but ax had the most "oh you badass" moments. rachel had a lot too. One that surprised me in my *recent reread* of MM1 was just when she took a drink from a garden hose and said something like, "well, there's one thing taken care of." I mean, if I were amnesiac, lost in the woods, trapped in a burning building, with no idea who I was or where I lived, and somehow managed to find my way back to civilization, I certainly wouldn't have maintained a glass-half-full outlook like she did. Out of the first seven books, I think that was her most badass moment.
I don't get why everyone loves Tobias. He whined. I like angst as much as anyone, but DAMN could Tobias never figure out when to shut up.
Jake was kind of blah. I like Marco more and more with my rereads, but Cassie...ugh. No thank you.
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Well i liked Tobias too but not for teh angst just idno i thought he was cool he had his bad times and all. The whole I'm going to kill myself thing.
Cassie made many silly decisions I like her and all but some of the stuff she did gave her miunus points
Marco i liked him a lot he is funny and cute. liked his longer hair and was very smart
Jake was good too a little to plain for my liking but that was probably one of teh things that made him a good leader by not getting so emotional ...unlike Cassie
Rachel is a bit to wild and crazy XD but isn't that why people like her
Aximili: idno i just loved the guy since book 5 XD sure he did have his issues with who was in charge and all but he figured it out in the end.
David: i liked him in the beginning he was a tough guy and everything than he ruined it grr @ him
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I honestly like all the the characters, which is why I liked the book. Sometimes Cassie annoyed me with the excessive morals, but you still need someone to stop you from getting too low.
As far as personality depth goes, my favorites were Marco and Tobias. I also like Ax because he's just interesting.
I like Marco because he's a step ahead, and he knows what needs to get done. He was the first to accept that you need to do what's right, even if it's wrong. Even in real life, I like a person who sincerely knows that life isn't fair, but works with it even if it isn't the best thing.
Tobias is just that loner that no one understands that everyone feels they relate to. I liked his moral balance a lot though.
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Tobias still continues to be my favorite. His loner human life and the him being the kid that was always picked on made me relate to him from the beginning. and then through out the series his character was so necessary.
Marco was hilarious. But aside from that he knew what had to be done to save the human race as a whole, and helped give balance to cassie's craziness, so he was an indispensable character.
and Ax is Ax, how can you NOT like him? ;D
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and Ax is Ax, how can you NOT like him? ;D
yeah, I know!
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Yeah, Ax was always a favorite of mine. No particular reason.
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Jake rocks, he had the most burden and to me was the groups backbone
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my favourite animorph was david, why cant i pick him
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For the same reason you can't pick V3.
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I like Ax.... Cuz im British ;D
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I like Ax.... Cuz im British ;D
=D wait does that make me unofficially British? Ax is my favorite too.
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For the same reason you can't pick V3.
V3 wasnt an animorph, neither was Ax really
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see but how was ax NOT an animorph? he is there practically from the begginning!
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Blame the books. They go so long saying their the animorphs, plus Ax. Though since Animorph means animal morpher, by that definition ax should not be exempt.
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V3 wasnt an animorph, neither was Ax really
Omg don't even get me started on that "The Animorphs and Ax" BS...
seriously.
Don't even get me started.
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Blame the books. They go so long saying their the animorphs, plus Ax. Though since Animorph means animal morpher, by that definition ax should not be exempt.
I agree that Aximili is one of the Animorphs
but with that definition XD V3 is one too.
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Yes, but we'll exclude him because he's a villain.
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Animorphs Villain edition XD
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Tobias was at first, but I’m probably more like Marco... Maybe... And I liked the Way he was ruthless I suppose . But I think Rachel Might be 2nd loved Ax too... Jake and Cassie are bottom 2
With Rachel I was a bit sad that her last books ever if you don’t count 54 was 48 and 42, I liked 42 But everyone else had books that had some sort of epic undertaking in their books. Tobias had the Not Andalites anymore revelations. Cassie had the Aux Animorphs. Ax had the Yeerk pool destruction. Marco had the take it to the people. Jake had the 2nd last master plan book. But Rachel was the crayak thing that didn’t really help the overall ending arc.
But book 7 Is where I always thought animorphs really started. One of my all time favourites.
And Ax is an Animorph... And i Don't think you can count Visser3/1 because what was marco's deffinition of an animorph "Idiot Kids with a death wish" Visser wasn't a kid. ;D
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Ax. Books in his POV were the most fun to read. Pity he got assimilated =( I had visions of Estrid, Ax and a new Aristh Academy.. lol.
Tobias is a close second. Cassie is at the end xP Big surprise.
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Ax. Books in his POV were the most fun to read. Pity he got assimilated =( I had visions of Estrid, Ax and a new Aristh Academy.. lol.
Tobias is a close second. Cassie is at the end xP Big surprise.
omg yes i hated how Aximili died. i mean it didn't have anything to do with the overall plot of the story it was just to create the cliffhanger end.
I kind of pictured him as a well known guy yet still known as Elfagor's little brother yet at the same time he has his own secondary spotlight making him more known taking him up to the level of his brother. though idno if that would have even been possible XD
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Wow, Tobias and Ax are head-to-head! I dunno why, but I used to think this forum was a big fan of Jake.
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yeah there are alot of Ax and Tobias fans. Tobias was winning earlier than suddenly more people voted for aximili XD
YAY. XD
i voted for hm since he is my favorite XD
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I have to be extremely different as I have succeeded to put the two least popular on 1 and 2. If I hadn't placed Rachel as 6 I think I had considered to go to a doctor...
Anyway. Can anyone tell me was it is with Tobias? Not because I don't like him because I do. But I allways seem to forget him. I don't want to forget him.
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If I had a nickle for every time this thread got started ::)
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I picked Marco. We are a lot alike. I can find humor in anything and that's how i get through situations, good and bad.
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Mine changed all the time (and still do lol). Right now it's Cassie...i always end up coming back to her...i can't help it lol..i think it's because the book where i got really obsessed with the series was #4 and that was a Cassie book lol
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I like Cassie because even though she had a dark side, even that didn't mess with her in the end like it did the others. (Cassie's dark side is shown during the David trilogy)
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Tobias. I don't have particular reason though... I dunno, I just kind of fell for him right from the start.
Second place Jake, then Ax, Marco, Rachel and Cassie.
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My favorite was Tobias hands down, one I felt similar to him being bullied when I was younger, until I stood up for myself. Then came Marco and Ax with a tie, they always made me laugh. Jake and Rachel were also tied, I liked how Jake could be calm for his friends while flipping out on the inside, and Rachel well, because she was awesome. Cassie I have to say was kinda boring...she looks fine alone, then you compare her to the others and she is boring...sorry to any Cassie fans...
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I put Jake, even though I identified with Tobias the most, I always looked up to Jake.
Isn't there already a poll like this?
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Rachel's my favorite because she's perfect but not flawless.
Tobias is my second favorite because i related to him most,
Ax because he's a freaking awesome looking alien,
Jake because i could respect him even though he wasn't real,
Cassie then Marco
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That's interessting, someone have Marco last...
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Well, the complainer is always wrong, you know.
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I don't care ;)
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Hmm, for me it had to be Marco and Tobias right at the top. Two characters that had great insights and actually developed through the series in a positive way. I think that the ghostwritten books are a tick weaker (okay, more than that for some of them) then K.A's stuff, but Tobias's shift after his torture in #33 made him an even more appealing as a character. In all honesty, despite what he said in #37 ("I'm no ones leader"), he could, in my mind, have led the animorphs. Especially after facing his demons (read: Taylor) in #43, he became one of the strongest in the group. He was the closest to Ax, which made everyone's favorite alien more a part of the group. He sacrificed more for the fight, and he just about always took it without a complaint. Jake, on the other hand, took two big hits (I'm not really counting the burden of leadership here, though maybe I should) and it near wrecked him. How he was in the Hork-Bajir valley, especially in comparison to Tobias (who, to be fair, had just regained some semblance of family) just seemed selfish and brooding.
Anywho, after that long diatribe, I'll deal with why Marco is awesome in my mind. Cool and ruthless, Marco always made the smart call, if not the emotional one (minus that thing where he saved his dad). He too took every hit thrown at him, complained the whole time, but never really broke from it. In fact, minus Rachel, who just ignored the damage she took, Marco probably took the most abuse and kept on ticking. Holding his guts in while cramming the door shut on the Sea Blade in #39, the injuries he took while saving Tobias in #33, fist through the glass with the Pemalite crystal in #10, everything like that just kind of overshadows what some people see as excessive complaining. He was tough and gutsy, and usually ended up with the most pivotal assignments from Jake.
So, to finish the diatribe, for me it goes:
Marco-Tobias
Jake
Ax
Rachel
Cassie
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That's interessting, someone have Marco last...
So what? This is my order:
Rachel-Tobias Rachel cos I'm kinda like her, and Tobias ;cos he's awesome!
Ax cos he's funny
Jake I don't know why
Cassie I'm not a peace maker!
Marco he gets on my nerve
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Even better, Marco got on my nerves at first...
I have a new list. My new favorite is Ax apart from that I think it is the same.
Jake, Marco, Cassie, Tobias and Rachel.
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I think I've changed my opinion for having Ax be tied with Tobias for second place, instead of coming in third.
Marco>Ax=Tobias>Rachel>Jake>Cassie.
Marco is the one I relate to the most. I just love Ax, and I can also relate to Tobias. Rachel is confident, strong, and has a sense of duty. Jake has good leadership skills, but besides that he's kind of bland. Like a one trick pony or something. Cassie fills a spot as a moral compass, and has a valuable resource in animals, but she can be the most annoying member. I relate to her the least.
That's a recap on my list.
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Marco's top on my list... He was cool and collected, and had a fantastic sense of humor... I think I would have gotten along with him great as a person, and I probably would've made most of the same choices during the war...
Marco was also the most grounded in reality, which I really appreciate from people... and which is why he was the best survivor of the war... (Cassie only did as well mentally because of her 'pet' status...)
Second goes Jake... Always looked up to the guy... and never could understand how he handled sending his friends to their deaths hundreds of times so well...
Next I'd have to put Rachel... Regardless of the circumstances she always at least tried to do what's right, and she persevered to the end...
Tobias takes fourth, mostly because he is so selfish and self-absorbed that a lot of times it distracts him from the people around him... all of his moodiness really kind of gets in the way... Sorry... not a big fan of angst... But I can see how so many people would relate to him... Never realized till this forum that so many people like him the most...
(probably because Marco's sense of humor can be grating on some people... who just can't take a joke...)
Then Ax... who would have been much higher because he's just awesome and hilarious, except that his loyalty to his prince was in doubt so many times... He made the choice to stick with the Animorphs through thick and thin so many times that it was painful... and every time I thought, "Okay, this is the end of that dilemma" - BUT IT WASN'T!!!
Cassie is dead last. Not only could she not take a joke half the time (unlike Jake and Rachel, and even Ax) but she REALLY got in the way with all of her whining and moralizing and animal-loving, tree-hugging nonsense... I think if the Animorphs had lost Cassie early on in the war, they probably wouldn't have even noticed the effect on the war... At least they wouldn't have if the storyline wasn't made out to make her the unassuming hero who was never wrong, and every choice she makes turns out good in the end, because she is good and moral and agrees with the author on every point...
And David should be on the list... and should be listed dead last by everyone, if only for his complete lack of loyalty to the human race, and complete lack of common sense and decency... He was like Cassie, but on the other extreme...
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To list David, I would include other villains. Heroes go on one list, and villains on another, and I think David had a lot of potential as a good villain. Has anyone ever done a favorite Villain thread?
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Marco-after book 5- he became my favourite, he did the right thing and was just the person you really need in war.
Ax-Also very important type that helps to win wars, the only thing I got bored of was his conflicting loyalties each time.
Rachel-because she was honest about enjoying the destruction of evil.
Jake-Great leader, responsible, but his post war guilt about the yeerks was incomprehensible.
Tobias-Angsty moody and for God's sake you're nota freaking hawk, hawks arent sentient so stop pretending you're a hawk!
Cassie-die hippy die.
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Tobias-Angsty moody and for God's sake you're nota freaking hawk, hawks arent sentient so stop pretending you're a hawk!
Cassie-die hippy die.
I loved these parts... ;D
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:-X See, if this were "Favorite Character" I'd have an easier time. XD
Fave Animorph- Jake or Tobias. When I was first reading I said Rachel because... I don't know. I was 10, and it seemed more normal to pick a girl. :P
Fave Character, period- Elfangor.
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Good choice...
I'd go with either him or the Ellimist... But that's for another thread, apparently...
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yes upsetting the subtle balance of thread-title/topic-of-conversation is an egregious affront to the forum gods...the crops will not be bountiful if you break such simple rules...
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Of course everybody loves Elfangor. We have to narrow it down from such obvious choices.
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Of course everybody loves Elfangor. We have to narrow it down from such obvious choices.
:P There must be someone out there who thinks he's a mediocre character at best. (That's as negative as I can believe XD just kidding) Or someone out there who really loves that Granny-Controller from #49 more than anything, and everyone else takes a back seat.
...Well, it's possible. :P
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haha that granny-controller was the hbic
did any other human controller besides chapman threaten them so much? I don't think so.
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I don't remember the granny controller. I suppose there could be Elfangor dislikers out there, but they would obviously be wrong.
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haha that granny-controller was the hbic
did any other human controller besides chapman threaten them so much? I don't think so.
Exactly. Although, poor Chapman got it rough through the whole series. XD Didn't his house get flattened by Marco and Tobias in a tank? *still giggling about that* He got left on the Jahar when it was going toward a black hole (although he doesn't remember it... and okay, he was a bit of a S.O.B., but still :P it's on the list), got the pee scared out of him in #31, had to suck up to Taylor in #33...
Not that things ended well for Granny-Controller, but she only had one book.
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One of my all-time favorite characters was Quafijinivon, the Arn in #34... That dude cracked me up so much!!!! LOL... I can't even explain why... I just loved that guy... *sigh*
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I just really love the Arn's names... XD Seriously. Trying say those five times fast.
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Quafijinivon Quafijinivon Quafijinivon Quafijinivon Quafijinivon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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I always thought the Arn's names sounded really Aztecian...like what was the name of their city? Tenochtitlan? Oh and their bird-god was Quetzalcoatl
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And don't forget about Quatzhinikon! :)
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I voted for Rachel because I had a lot it common with her... she was a mall rat, something I still haven't outgrown lol And our personalities were alike, too. I liked all of her books, especially the one when she morphed into a bear!
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I always thought the Arn's names sounded really Aztecian...like what was the name of their city? Tenochtitlan? Oh and their bird-god was Quetzalcoatl
OMG yes i thought of the same thing
I guess those Arn love their Qs
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Shocking! You put Tobias *gasp* Last!
lol... That is unusual, though... at least, in this place...
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Yeah well I'm an unusual person.
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Tobias without a doubt.
And YES he is currently winning the poll
Tobias RULES!!
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That he does.
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Heloo I love Tobias! I love Elfangor a lot more though. I was crying when I found out Elfangor was his father. Come to think of it, it is so sad that Tobias had to watch his own Father die, and coudn't do a thing about it!
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I know what you mean I felt sad about that.
But I have made a huge desc of Tobias and I have always wanted to do a rp with him on YIM(Yahoo Instent Messanger.) but I haven't found anyone yet to rp it with me.
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I liked Marco because I could identify with his thinking so much. Especially at the end of the series where he and Ax are the only ones without a lot of baggage from the war- Marco moved on and actually enjoyed life. Cassie I guess could be in the same category of having survived the war. In all honesty I probably would have turned out more like Jake, never really moving on, haunted by all the mistakes I made. But I enjoyed Marco the most, followed closely by Ax. Marco and Ax seemed to share my ideals on how I would fight a war if i was thrown into a situation like that.
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I liked Marco because I could identify with his thinking so much. Especially at the end of the series where he and Ax are the only ones without a lot of baggage from the war
I don't think any of them moved on. I got the feeling that Marco was just really good at hidding his feellings. Nobody really talks about Ax. All we know is that he is chasing after the bladeship a lot. Maybe it isn't just his hatred of yeerks that makes him chase after it.
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I agree, they all just dealt with it differently
cassie was the only one who got the super amazingly well-adjusted future with her hot new liberal granola crunching boyfriend
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Actually you could say it wasn't really over for Ax at all. for the others Earth was saved and the war was over. For Ax, it was just moving off Earth and on to continuing the fight elsewhere.
I'd like to think Marco was well enough adjusted. yes he was bored after three years, but people get that way with anything. It wasn't that his lifestyle wasn't making him happy. He just needed a little vacation somewhere. Take a week off, and he would surely be fine. I mean, he had the lifestyle that suited his character the best. I couldn't imagine him being anything else.
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It must suck to be Ax. First he gets stuck on a unknown planet. Then he finds out he's the sole survivor of his domeship. Then he spends three yearsfighting for a planet that's not his. And after that'sover he is shipped off to fight again. Yep that would suck.
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I personally think that Marco had to hide his feelings, but in one of the episodes, he actually cried because his mom wasn't there. Jake had a perfect family after the yeerks gave up. Aximili is a proud cadet! By now he should have been made a war-prince! Then he could introduce Tobias to the rest of his family :)
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It must suck to be Ax. First he gets stuck on a unknown planet. Then he finds out he's the sole survivor of his domeship. Then he spends three yearsfighting for a planet that's not his. And after that'sover he is shipped off to fight again. Yep that would suck.
That's called being in the Military. :-\
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Rachel was strong and smart. plus she had to go thru so much. she was my pick. and i really hated how it ended for her
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Tobias. I'm always sucked in by the character with the most suffering, for some reason. I suppose it's something of a pitying factor, but I'm attracted to and fascinated by how they manage to rise above it or are crushed underneath it.
He is followed closely by Rachel (I relate very much to her) and Ax (who is just awesome).
Jake is all right. I don't truly love him or truly hate him.
Marco annoys the hell out of me. I have a coworker who is pretty much a Marco clone -- loud-mouth, obnoxious. He even LOOKS like Marco. We very much have a Rachel/Marco dynamic going on in the office . . . a lot of condescending remarks in my direction one second, then a lot of sexual innuendos the next. Some of his jokes are funny, but most of the time, I want to punch him in the face.
Cassie is my least favorite. Too preachy.
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When I first read the series as a child I liked Jake the best. But now re-reading it in my 20's my favorite is definitely Marco, I've never had a character crack me up more in any book I've read!
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I know I already posted,but I truely enjoyed Tobias in the books.I...just saw myself in the chracter,I respect the chracter alot and I take pride I have the name sake(on this forum) and rp him nearly everyday possible.
And for some reason,I never felt sad for Tobias I just felt like"You lucky kid"Yes...his life sucked...but he become a red-tailed hawk and became a pro and a wonderful bird and he enjoyed(I can tell) his life after he got trapped.
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I know what you mean I felt sad about that.
But I have made a huge desc of Tobias and I have always wanted to do a rp with him on YIM(Yahoo Instent Messanger.) but I haven't found anyone yet to rp it with me.
Slightly off-topic, but what kind of RP do you do? Lit or IM/action-based?
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such a tough question~ i admire all of the animorphs...
but i'll stick with jake. the whole 'responsibility' thing- gotta give him credit for toughing it out. wish i had the balls to make half the decisions he made.
oddly, although i believe i have the most in common with cassie, i find it hardest to relate to her. :-\
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Rachel. As a child, I admired her tenacity and her perseverance, and I identified with her impulsiveness.
As a teenager, when realized I was a girl, I spent weeks trying to find my name. I liked Sophia at first, but it was too pretty, and fit better as a middle name.
Then one day, I was going through my old things, and saw my books, and I knew that my name would be Rachel, and that I would try to live up to her bravery and beauty.
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i think that's so cool. =)
just sayin'.
also- i laugh to know that tobias is leading the poll by as much as he is. i feel as though there might be some sort of population bias, here...
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Yeah, I've noticed he gets called emohawk and wangsty in TV tropes and such, but he still seems popular here. Also Rachel has shot ahead of Jake and Cassie. That's nice. Much sympathies for the one called the Blood Knight and psycho.
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i think that's so cool. =)
just sayin'.
also- i laugh to know that tobias is leading the poll by as much as he is. i feel as though there might be some sort of population bias, here...
I don't understand everyones obsession with Tobias he's just okay to me :-\
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^^; i have no idea, to be honest. i find it hard to relate to tobias. my family was pretty solid growing up, and i didn't need to 'get away' or anything. and, well, all the rest of the obvious things: no major deaths among my family or friends, no war to fight...
i have my suspicions about the tobias group but then, when cassie is as 'unpopular' as she is? *shakes head*
kinda weird, imho.
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I relate to tobias because he was bullied more than anything else. My family is ok too, but I did go through a lot of harrassment at school.
I don't like Cassie because she's willing to screw over anyone and anything if it means going against her personal beliefs. She tries too hard not to change. When you basically give the world the middle finger so you can sleep better at night, then there is something wrong.
I also don't like how fans give her credit for ending the war by doing something totally stupid in book 50 that could have and should have gone so wrong. They say she saved the world by doing something stupid with absolutely no forethought.
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humm... i'll have to read #50 again. >____> i kinda like how you summarized her character, though; i think i can understand it better, now, actually. =o (and then, your vehemence makes me want to start a "your least favorite animorph" thread. but maybe that would be too negative. O___o)
and what you say is kinda in-line with my thinking- with regards to why people here like tobias so much. i get the feeling that some of us have some bad childhood issues and enjoy this series AND tobias' character for their ability to either 'get away' and/or take us away. it's all about imagination. i know i still use animorphs as an escape.
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I think even after all these years, I cannot pick one character that I liked the best from the series. I liked aspects of each character for sure, but as an individual, there was nothing that made one stand out from the rest. I also found that I couldn't identify with one character in particular, but I could relate to different character traits of each one. I think this is why the the animorphs were appealing as a whole group...together they represented a lot of great strengths and weaknesses and formed sort of a more balanced representation. Maybe it's the fact that the characters were sometimes portrayed as a little one-dimensional?
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i'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say two-dimensional, but only because -on occasion- you could see a second dimension through the eyes of each character as s/he narrated his/her books. =) but i agree with you; without even one of the characters, the group lost a huge dynamic.
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i'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say two-dimensional, but only because -on occasion- you could see a second dimension through the eyes of each character as s/he narrated his/her books. =) but i agree with you; without even one of the characters, the group lost a huge dynamic.
I guess I'll give you that. I mean we all know that Rachel is a conglomerate of 'Mean Rachel' and 'Nice Rachel' hahaha...
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Rachel is the name of my Cuz, just spelled different. Marco would've been my fave if I hadn't met Tobias and Ax first, Tobias is under Ax, I LOVE Andalites and Hork-Bajir, but I identified Tobias as the Animorphs only Nothlit of a hawk, so he is my second fave I guess.
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My Favorite Animorph would have to have been Ax. I loved discovering all of the little quirky human mannerisms that I never knew we had and I liked doing it through the eyes of someone who had no idea what they meant.
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My favorite animorph is Cassie. Shocking, huh? After I read The Departure, I think Cassie is simply amazing. She was compassionate and understanding to Aftran whereas Rachel, Marco, Ax, and maybe even Tobias and Jake would have killed her along with Karen without any hesitation. Maybe what Cassie did wasn't logical. Maybe it was dumb to majority of people. But I think Jake said it best: I don't want to live in a world where people don't try the stupid, crazy, hopeful thing sometimes." Her moralizing just shows that she cares about life. She cares beyond herself. She was different. Now, I'm not saying she didn't have flaws. All of them did. But I just admire her the most.
And Tobias is a very close second. I relate to him the most.
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Favorites
Rachel-willing to do anything for the mission, got the job done whatever the cost (especially #54)
Tobias-very sad story, interesting personality
Jake
Ax
Marco
Cassie-SO sick of her whining
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My favorite animorph is Cassie. Shocking, huh?
;) after everything everyone has said about her in this thread.... yes. ^^ i think your explanation is sweet, though. :3
also like how arzwlf is the opposite in favorite, but identical in second fave. xD
why does everyone here like tobias so much? xD;; i take it back; we've totally been over this before. but STILL! everyone likes tobias! D: or nearly everyone. it's insane.
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He's the woobie! Everyone likes the woobie.
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lol. woobie.
stands for.... emo-hawk-kid? ^^;
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It's a TV trope that means someone meant to be sympathetic enough that you want to hug him and make him feel better. Though I know many people say he's wangsty because living as a hawk with a group of friends and a real purpose in life is definitely a step up from before.
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that sly wangster.
sorry, the word just sounds wrong. xP
all right; i get that. sort of. i have absolutely no desire to hug him, however. ^^; i don't think i ever sympathized well with him. i'm just gonna leave you guys with all your sympathy-empathy to coddle the poor kid.
("cheer up, emo hawk." is what i want to say every time. xD)
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i think another reason that alot of people like tobias is because it is so evident that KA hates him. everytime something good happens to the kid he gets punched back down.
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oh? your cousin wants to adopt you? POW she's Visser 3......
ah, you want a family with your mom and go through hell to save her? WHAM you have nothing in common and dont even wind up hanging out with her.......
oh you fell in love with a girl that might actually let you enjoy being human? BAM polar bear on the blade ship.....
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dam kid couldnt catch a break
the only time the whole series he was happy was when he was getting eaten by dinosaurs.....
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haha; yeah, i get that, too. katmike never did give the kid a break. say, ever.
still, what happened to him was just so outrageous that i find it impossible to feel for him. i mean, what does it feel like to lose everyone close to you? i have no idea.
...pfft. sorry; when you mentioned the 'happy' bit, i couldn't help but remember tobias' semi-conscious reliving of a clue game while rachel and marco were trying to grab the escafil device from david's room.
"PROFESSOR PLUM! IN THE CONSERVATORY!"
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I'm with you on this one, Court. I've never loved Tobias the way a lot of RAFians seem to. Woobies are cute and huggable and all, but I can't relate to them. I tend to like strong characters who struggle with what it is they're doing, rather than their role in the first place. Stories about identity crises can get hackneyed if the writer isn't really careful--and the "my mother abandoned me and my father is a dead alien" story just doesn't really cut it for me. I respect Tobias's character a lot, his development is great, and I think he makes impressive strides throughout the series, but, ugh, it's just so sad it's almost ridiculous. So... to answer the topic's question, my favorite character when I originally read the series was Jake, and now it's both Jake and Marco.
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My favourite is Marco, and always has been. I always liked the funny guys, and the fact that I identify the closest with him is just icing on the cake.
He's not emotional to a fault, and he realizes that there is a separation in his mind from the right thing, what needs to get done and his emotions that isn't there in the majority of the population surrounding him. It's not something that he can just up and change it, he just runs with it. I don't think he's cold for not feeling as much, it's just... him doing it. He gets frustrated with emotion from others or sentiments he sees as useless (pretty much why he and Cassie are the ones to clash over some mission details), because everyone should be able to make decisions clearly with the emotion not a part of it. I'm definitely an A-to-B kind of thinker, so I would always be nodding along to Marco's thoughts, "Yup, yup, it sucks, it's horrible, but necessary (you know, agreeing with him) - " Cassie interjects. " - oh, you can't be serious."
Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not saying Marco was inhuman, but just his whole paradigm of the world, making decisions, how he sees things is very similar to how I do. He does feel, I find him the most emotionally intense of all of them, actually. The fact that he feels so much pain and still makes the hard - but right - decision. (Like, you know, in book eight, when Ax didn't kill Alloran for honour's sake or whatever? Marco would have killed him. (Although for complicated reasons, I think it's a good thing Alloran didn't die, however frustrating that was.))
He doesn't lay down and say, "Oh... My life kinda sucks..." He'll complain, sure, but when the bite of that fades, you know he's sold on it. He thinks about what he really believes before committing himself so later when things got hard, he rest assured that he knew what he was doing when he signed up for the Animorphs. Maybe he felt doubt, sure, but he sits down and thinks about it. Marci is very introspective. Once he got over his initial ambivalence, Marco was in. He let his head guide his heart.
Plus, I always respect witty people. I'm not terribly witty and I laugh easily. Teh funny is very important to me. I love jokes, sarcasm, snide comments, puns... Love it all. No one else had a chance to be the fav, except in the last book when Jake took the cake because I wasn't too impressed with Marco after everything and Jake was just more compelling at that point.
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My favourite is Marco, and always has been. I always liked the funny guys, and the fact that I identify the closest with him is just icing on the cake.
He's not emotional to a fault, and he realizes that there is a separation in his mind from the right thing, what needs to get done and his emotions that isn't there in the majority of the population surrounding him. It's not something that he can just up and change it, he just runs with it. I don't think he's cold for not feeling as much, it's just... him doing it. He gets frustrated with emotion from others or sentiments he sees as useless (pretty much why he and Cassie are the ones to clash over some mission details), because everyone should be able to make decisions clearly with the emotion not a part of it. I'm definitely an A-to-B kind of thinker, so I would always be nodding along to Marco's thoughts, "Yup, yup, it sucks, it's horrible, but necessary (you know, agreeing with him) - " Cassie interjects. " - oh, you can't be serious."
Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not saying Marco was inhuman, but just his whole paradigm of the world, making decisions, how he sees things is very similar to how I do. He does feel, I find him the most emotionally intense of all of them, actually. The fact that he feels so much pain and still makes the hard - but right - decision. (Like, you know, in book eight, when Ax didn't kill Alloran for honour's sake or whatever? Marco would have killed him. (Although for complicated reasons, I think it's a good thing Alloran didn't die, however frustrating that was.))
He doesn't lay down and say, "Oh... My life kinda sucks..." He'll complain, sure, but when the bite of that fades, you know he's sold on it. He thinks about what he really believes before committing himself so later when things got hard, he rest assured that he knew what he was doing when he signed up for the Animorphs. Maybe he felt doubt, sure, but he sits down and thinks about it. Marco is very introspective. Once he got over his initial ambivalence, Marco was in. He let his head guide his heart.
Plus, I always respect witty people. I'm not terribly witty and I laugh easily. Teh funny is very important to me. I love jokes, sarcasm, snide comments, puns... Love it all. No one else had a chance to be the fav, except in the last book when Jake took the cake because I wasn't too impressed with Marco after everything and Jake was just more compelling at that point.
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Medomai, a great analysis of Marco. I completely agree and relate the best to him too. I think he is the best character of the Animorphs. I've written this earlier but I don't understand all the fuss about Tobias. Why do so many fans like him? I found his character way too whiny, yes he had it the worst but everyone had stuff they were dealing with.
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^^; i think tobias was whiny for some good reasons; note that marco was whiny-er but, by comparison, the guy got off easy (and he knew it). granted, part of tobias' sad life was his own doing... and it's a little difficult to mourn over what you never had (a loving family), but, well, every time he tried to build that family for himself, it ended up getting torn apart again. Plus, the guy was tortured. Literally. it's hard not to whine a bit about that.
and. LOL, medomai.... do you happen to like cake much? xD
you know, i wonder... if marco hadn't been given/taken on jake's responsibilities, i think he would've been able to make decisions the same way jake does. but then, i never knew the reasons for jake wanting to keep everyone alive.... as in, his real motivations. was it really all duty and honor? like, a superficial 'i'd be a terrible leader if i let them die' thing? because that would never hold much water with me... and i doubt it would for him, under pressure. so did he actually care? was it emotional at all? or was it logical: 'if i let them die, i have fewer resources with which to win this war'?
someone's going to cop out and say 'both', but i think that it's unusual for 'both' to be the answer. ultimately, we're driven by one or the other, to a greater or lesser extent. imho. i could also be simplifying things, but the fact that i don't even have a simple answer says a lot. i think that's my greatest issue with jake's character- for all that he narrates so many books, we really don't get into his head.
but again, he makes decisions that i respect, so hence why he's my fave. :)
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It's the first I believe. He's not cold and calculating enough to consider his friends resources, and he has a connection to all of them. His cousin, girlfriend, best friend, and tagalong.
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Jack is finally letting my read them to him! He of course doesn't understand everything.
Book one just left the construction site.. I asked him who his favroite was.
He said Visser 3.
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Lol, Patty, that is so cute! Was he freaked out by V3's snack?
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He gave me a funny face, I put a lot of emotion into my readin. ;) at first when I was explaining what Elfangor looked like he thought it was going to be scary
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He said Visser three! Wow. Just wow.
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Ah, ok, so Visser Three gets brownie points for being an exterminator of scary blue aliens. I get it now. And even though V3 can be a scary blue alien dude, himself, he spends some quality time not looking like an Andalite, too.
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My favorite of course will always be Tobias without a single doubt.The chracter is just so awesome and amazeing to see him to be like that in the books and I can really relate to him by looks and feelings most of the time.
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Tobias is emo.
Marco ftw.
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So... I wonder why people who like Tobias like Tobias. Is there some kind of trauma in their pasts? Are they especially empathetic people? Were they prone to being bullied as kids?
Tobias's situation was just so pathetic from the beginning that I have trouble relating to him. The other Animorphs have a more relatable level of anxiety and stress--for me, at least--so that, as their troubles grew during the war, I could continue to sympathize with them. Tobias is more alien to me than Ax.
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I was bullied, and have trouble making friends, which is why I empathise with him. I'm the loner too.
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Tobias was okay. But it got kind of pathetic for me. He's like the boy version of Bella (twilight) that's how bad he's is to me.
I need humor. Marco has the funnies. He's closest to my personality and can find a joke in everything.
I want a real life marco... Just older...
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*Ignores all the bad things being said about the Tobias chracter.*uh...huh.
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you know, i wonder... if marco hadn't been given/taken on jake's responsibilities, i think he would've been able to make decisions the same way jake does. but then, i never knew the reasons for jake wanting to keep everyone alive.... as in, his real motivations. was it really all duty and honor? like, a superficial 'i'd be a terrible leader if i let them die' thing? because that would never hold much water with me... and i doubt it would for him, under pressure. so did he actually care? was it emotional at all? or was it logical: 'if i let them die, i have fewer resources with which to win this war'?
someone's going to cop out and say 'both', but i think that it's unusual for 'both' to be the answer. ultimately, we're driven by one or the other, to a greater or lesser extent. imho. i could also be simplifying things, but the fact that i don't even have a simple answer says a lot. i think that's my greatest issue with jake's character- for all that he narrates so many books, we really don't get into his head.
but again, he makes decisions that i respect, so hence why he's my fave. :)
i agree with all the above mentioned. and yes, i will take the both route but i'll explain
i think in the beginning (literally, not the book) he was more idealistic, and felt he had a responsibility to the team not to get anyone killed, remember they were just a stop gap before the andalite fleet arrived, they never imagined they were gonna win the war without them. after enough battles and enough chaos i think he changed, and the cold calculating side came out. i seem to remember at one point him studying up on old war generals, and almost all of his books had some darker tones. finally in the end [spoiler]he makes the ultimate tough decisions. he sends his best friend on a semi suicide mission to find erek who *might* be able to help, and sends rachel on an ACTUAL suicide mission to keep the rest of the team alive, and to kill his own brother[/spoiler] if that all isnt cold and calculated i dont know what is. he saw the way to end it and did what needed to be done. as marco would say he saw the clear line from A to Z and took it
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^^ i can agree with that shift in priorities. earlier on, the idea was to stay alive. later, it was really up to them to actually win the war or lose everyone.
but there's really nothing emotional in there, that i see- that's a really logical take on things on both ends.... i.e., neither situation has to do with how anyone feels about the outcomes. which implies that jake could have sacrificed them all for a logically sound, yet entirely different long-term return if the situation had been different. i'm not going to say that he never made a human, emotional connection with any of them, but it feels as though he was distant from them all... and i wonder if he did this intentionally or not, and what his reasons were for doing this if it was intentional.
so, again, i get back to whether marco couldn't have taken jake's place easily. they can both make those logical decisions... and i think marco could have intelligently factored in emotions the way i suspect jake did, when planning theoretical missions.
so... blah-dy blah-dy blah. just some personal musing. :P
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Marco.
We have the same perspective :)
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I think the only thing preventing Marco from being the leader is that he's the second least willing to be in the war. Yes he wants to save his mom, but I think that's about as far as it goes. I don't think he wants to save the world or the Human race. He'd probably be happy with saving his mom and hiding out with his parents in a bunker or something for the rest of their lives.
Though Jake is the third least willing to be in the war, so he's not far behind Marco. It kind of goes Ax-Tobias-Rachel-Jake-Marco-Cassie. Anyway, he's better fit as the chief advisor or second in command.
I consider him the lancer, though he's not the only one who could be considered the lancer.
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so, again, i get back to whether marco couldn't have taken jake's place easily. they can both make those logical decisions... and i think marco could have intelligently factored in emotions the way i suspect jake did, when planning theoretical missions.
so... blah-dy blah-dy blah. just some personal musing. :P
i think he could have, though it wouldn't have been as effective. everyone misses things, and i think marco acting as jakes "sanity check" was most effective. i think after the first couple books he was motivated enough to stay in the war and lead. but every commander needs an XO that will make sure he doesn't miss anything, i thought they worked very well together. i guess long story short, if jake up and died, yes marco could have made it work, but if jake was still around, i think their current relationship was the most efficient and beneficial
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Go Tobias for #1 Animorphs Character :tobias:
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Tobias for me. It was some mix of him being a hawk, being free/trapped, and being truly tragic all at the same time that made him by far the most interesting character for me.
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Tobias is #1. No contest. :tobias:
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Marco was my favourite when I was younger, although lately I find myself enjoying Ax’s books most… I chuckle right the way through :-]
so, again, i get back to whether marco couldn't have taken jake's place easily. they can both make those logical decisions... and i think marco could have intelligently factored in emotions the way i suspect jake did, when planning theoretical missions.
so... blah-dy blah-dy blah. just some personal musing. :P
i think he could have, though it wouldn't have been as effective. everyone misses things, and i think marco acting as jakes "sanity check" was most effective. i think after the first couple books he was motivated enough to stay in the war and lead. but every commander needs an XO that will make sure he doesn't miss anything, i thought they worked very well together. i guess long story short, if jake up and died, yes marco could have made it work, but if jake was still around, i think their current relationship was the most efficient and beneficial
Jake will always be the best leader full.stop.
While I agree that Marco would have been the best choice for leader after Jake, I just don't think the other ani's would have taken him seriously enough to follow him in the same manner they followed Jake - Rachel especially... hell, I don't think even Marco would have taken himself seriously enough most of the time; and as they always point out through the series, the ani's feel they need a leader who either: never secondguesses themself, or never lets on that they're secondguessing themself – something Marco just wouldn't be able to hide
If Jake were lost towards the last dozen or so books in the series, I think that the remaining ani’s would be unable to co-ordinate (or restrain?) Rachel in their missions. Therefore, Rachel decides to kick butt on the Yeerks her own way, with or without the other ani’s. We know Tobias will always choose to go with her, and seeing as Ax is bound by honour to kill V3 then he would more than likely join Rachel, too. So we have a team of three to continue the fight, without a leader but inevitably doing it Rachel’s way.
Marco I’m unsure of; he would either follow (very peed off) to be the brains, make sure they weren’t killed and to (try to) temper Rachel’s bloodlust; or, as was earlier suggested, hide in the mountains with his parents. I also don’t know what Cassie would do – would she use losing Jake as her final “out”, or would she continue the fight in his memory? Hmmm
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haha.... that's a lot of speculation. ^^ i guess, to add: i think that cassie, like marco, would still be able to use family as a reason to fight. if you've lost one person close to you, don't you fight all the harder to keep what you've got left?
but i agree with you- marco would end up second-guessing himself. he's pretty analytical that way. ^^; and you definitely can't underestimate the power of good relationships between the leader and his posse. xD
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Rachel because she was most like me LoL! I thought her death was poetic and very well written.
Marco and Ax are a close 2nd- Marco cuz I liked his ability to keep the humour in the face of war and Ax because it was cool seeing an alien's POV on the humans as a race.
I thought it was good watchimg Jake's leadrership go form black and white to falling between shades of grey.
Cassie was least favourite.
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Close one for me.
I ended up going with Rachel because I had no trouble identifying with her. From her slowly-growing battlelust, to her no-nonsense "let's do it!" attitude, to her comment that "being brave isn't about not feeling fear, it's about being scared to death and still not giving in", to the way she died (<You have fought well, human>), I knew we were alike. (Yes, if you're wondering, Rachel is the inspiration for my username)
The only two differences we really have are #1 my gender and #2 my "beauty" - I'm not attractive, and like it that way.
Jake takes a close #2, I think. I really saw and felt him growing older and older as the series went on; some of those decisions really had to hurt him, especially his last (sending Rachel to her death). I perfectly understood his "old souls" comments.
Tobias comes in at #3.
Ax is #4; he was quite an interesting study. On the one hand, he's got to do what his people - the Andalites - want; on the other hand, especially later in the series, his bonds with the Animorphs really tightened. I found some of his decisions and internal struggles to be less than commendable, but he always knew exactly what he was doing.
Marco is #5. He cracked me up, but I didn't like his attitude of laughing it off. You can't just do that with life...
Cassie is #6. I can sympathize with her moral concerns, but they were really, really inconsistent. (To be fair, that wasn't just Cassie; it was like all of the Animorphs started losing everything but their goal of winning the war by two-thirds of the way through the series, and had nearly lost everything but their goal of winning by the end of the series. Probably typical human behavior.)
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Marco has always been my fav (as many of you know). I liked his Hamlet complex and how he just laughed everything off. I cant stand people who take life too seriously, and the problem with those people is that when something serious does happen to them no one takes them seriously because they're always so serious. Life is meant to be fun, not depressing. I also have a thing for funny, sarcastic, cute guys. (I still have the biggest crush on him!!!!)
Anyway, I have never liked Tobias although as an adult I can read his books without rolling my eyes as much. Tobias annoyed me with his "oh I have no family so Im gona live as a bird even though I could morph to human and hang out with my friends." He was just kind of boring and didnt really say much unless if it was important or if he was asked. Although towards the end of the series I do like how he became more confident and more sociable.
I use to love Cassie as a kid (shes why I became a vege) but as an adult I find her rather immature and inconsiderate.
Jake I never really liked either, he was too serious. Reminded me of someones dad. Not cool.
So my favourite goes Marco x's 100 ---> Ax-----> Rachel ----> Jake -----> Cassie ----> Tobias
Yay Animorphs :)
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I love them all so much. I picked Rachel as my favorite, but asking me to actually order them the way the rest of you have been... yeah, it's just not going to happen. My thoughts here have been rearranged into the order in which they first narrated their books-
As a kid reading the series, I never found Jake remarkably interesting. He spent most of his narratives wondering about his decisions, and to me, leading has always been something you just do, more than something you overthink. Reading the series now, I really appreciate him a lot more, though. I feel his strength and the confidence he gave the team got them through more situations than I can count, and I have more interest in his thought process than I used to. His interest in the military that seems to have been nurtured by the war is something I always thought was kinda cool, and wish they would have commented on just a few more times throughout the series.
I absolutely love Rachel during the first half or so of the series. She's brave, and increasingly ruthless and reckless, but still very intelligent with a great sense of humor (a lot of my favorite conversations in the series consist of the early-books banter between her and Marco- she's awesomely witty). During the later half of the series, her character got so messed up and so smashed down to one dimension, I can't honestly say I liked her much anymore... sad day, but I feel like Rachel's "Rachel" got lost in the mix somewhere.
I always liked Tobias, and he never really came across as super-whiny to me. I dunno. I guess I could sympathize with his angstyness to a certain degree, but there's more to his personality, and honestly, I really liked him for the most part. He had a few moments that really bugged me (falling to the ground and freaking out for like an hour mid-battle when he realized his cousin was Visser 3 in disguise) but I admired his ability to keep fighting and keep moving forward through all the **** the series threw his way. Is some sympathy for his angst a requirement for liking his character, maybe?
When I've read the series, I've never really seen any reason to dislike Cassie. I never really liked her all that much as a kid, but now, I admire her bravery and willingness to always, always stand up for what she believed was right. That's not a remarkably easy thing to do. I can see why a lot of people don't like her, but to me, she was a wonderful contrast to... basically all the others in that regard. It does really bug me, however, that she decided in book 9 that she was willing to do what she had to in order to defeat the Yeerks, and yet her moral dilemmas continue after that as if it'd never happened- she never even thinks about it again. It may be people like Marco and Rachel who win wars, but there can't be peace without a few Cassies around.
Marco's an incredible character to me. He's complex and emotionally very deep, but at the same time, he hides it well, and he's always looking at things logically to try to figure out how to win. I'm a lot like all the Animorphs in certain ways, but I'm probably closest in personality to Marco, not least of all because of his sense of humor and his outlook that it's better to laugh than cry. I really respect his strategic mind, and how well he held it together throughout the war. I think his sense of humor got a bit screwed up in some of the ghostwritten books, though.
Ax was always my favorite as a kid. I think I just liked seeing someone almost as socially awkward as I was. Plus, y'know... aliens are cool! These days, reading through the series, I got a bit sick of the fact that every single one of his narratives seemed to deal with his loyalty to the Animorphs. Like Cassie's reason for fighting, it seems like it's just a string that he never gets ahold of in spite of multiple narratives about it. If he'd actually learned a lesson and maybe developed a little as a character, he'd have been more interesting to me. Still watching him struggle with human culture was always a joy, and the stories about what he was like back at the academy ("I wasn't paying attention that day... and there was this female...") never fail to make me smile. I really wish we'd gotten more information on him throughout the series.
Too much? I likes my Animorphs...
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i'll be the first to admit it: i didn't read the whole page of prose, there, buddy. :P
the one thing that i might be overthinking but will still bring up for its potential validity is cassie's progression....
part of it was the ghostwriter's general tendency to, as you sort of put it, smash 3D characters into 1D lines... but i think that cassie's logical, psychological development was lost on some of the readers because the development was implied and not stated outright. i.e., originally, she saw things as more of an undefined yet b&w cloud of "i haven't experienced this, but here is what i kindasorta think i feel about 'x' situation". once she really got caught up in the war, she was forced to solidify her position on issues that she'd had no business reasonably judging to begin with. so it looks like she's hypocritical but really, imho, she's just getting better at understanding herself, her context, and her morals. people change- that doesn't make us all hypocrites. :P and ESPECIALLY at that age... i think we do a lot of changing.
iow, i don't believe that cassie acts on a contradictory moral set, and i don't think that katmike intended it that way and i don't think that cassie feels that way about it, either. anyhoo, i only really bring this up because several people have said similar things previously. :P
on a slightly different note, i think that there is a level of emotional complexity in characters that the audience CAN understand, and then deeper levels of emotional complexity that, when unexplained (spelled out), make a character seem "vague" and "undeveloped".
joss whedon's characters? the guy is a MASTER at making characters only so developed. similarly with rachel and marco- i think they're "deep"... but not as deep as cassie or tobias. i think that cassie and tobias spend so much time in self-reflection that they naturally are the "deepest" and most complex of the group.
imho, i felt that katmike could have done a little more with ax' character... all of the important "development", imho, was done in ghostwritten books and then forgotten. and then... well, what was up with jake? i felt he was the most 2d of ALL of the characters. D:
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In order....
1. Rachel: her narratives were outstanding, like the whole problem with being a psychotic war junkie, and the way she was at the end...superb.
2. Marco: He was funny, and easier to relate to as far as males go, plus I agree with his methods.
3. Jake: He reminds me of myself when i'm getting upset, low talking, lol.
4. Tobias: His narratives were just great in general
5. Ax: When he was with Marco, it was always comical...otherwise, didnt care too much.
6. Cassie: I never really agreed with her morals, but I still liked her overall.
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I like all the major characters, but some significantly more than others.
1. Rachel
My favourite character. Brave, witty, and intelligent, she - like Marco - has the ability to do what has to be done.
My own interpretation of her wasn't some psychotic maniac as later ghostwritten books made her out to be, but simply someone who allowed them to become immersed and addicted to the adrenaline rush as a means of coping with the stress placed upon her. The unpleasant realisation of this and her coming to terms with this aspect of her character is also something I think many of us can identify with.
2. Marco
A close second with Rachel, Marco is likewise an intelligent character who thinks actions through logically. Like Rachel, he is willing to do what has to be done. Whilst I share a different sense of humour to Marco - more akin to Rachel's - I can probably identify most closely with him.
3. Tobias
Probably the most introspective character in the series, I found his narrations to be interesting.
4. Ax
Some of his comments and interactions earlier on in the series are hilarious, though his character loses quite a lot of depth (outside of his narrations) because he often sides with Jake without voicing his own opinion.
5. Jake
I like Jake as a character and can empathise with the difficulties of leadership, but I generally felt his character became somewhat one-dimensional towards the end (though one could argue this was partly due to the ghostwriters skewing the characters).
6. Cassie
Simply at times her moralizing is exceptionally irritating, and she's one of the most hypocritical characters in the series, which is superbly pointed out by Marco at one point.
My reaction can be summarised by the excellent quote "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Unfortunately Cassie with her childish idealism and self-indulgence in many cases is a direct hindrance to the characters doing what has to be done.
That's not to say some of her moral concerns are baseless, far from it. Just that sometimes you do need to do horrible things to prevent a greater evil from occurring. And it's also very easy to sit back and take the moral high ground when someone else has made the tough decisions, and because they took those tough decisions you actually enjoy the luxury of being able to sit back and judge the decision in the first place.
I also find her actions come extremely close to breaking my suspension of disbelief because she repeatedly survives what can be described as truly insane tactical decisions (giving up her life to save a single girl, surviving a decision which would have a 99.999% of getting everyone else killed). Compare that to the dangers other characters place themselves in danger via important and tactically useful missions.
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Over my many years of reading and rereading this series endlessly, I've got to say that my favorite characters have changed a lot. When I was an introverted, nerdy middle schooler, my favorites were Tobias and Ax. As I grew into a more aggressive and dominant personality, my favorite became Rachel and Jake. I've always appreciated Marco for his intelligence and strategic mind as well. I have no idea currently who my favorite character is - possibly Ax or Rachel.
The only Animorph who I have consistently disliked over the years is Cassie, for many of the reasons already mentioned above.
I definitely thought she was very important to the overarching plot of the series, and wouldn't have preferred the series without her, but I've never had so many instances of wanting to reach through the paper and wring a protagonist's neck before.
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(a quick disclaimer, I stopped reading the series in the upper 30s 10 years ago, started rereading them and am somewhere in the 20s so I don't have a perspective on the later parts of the series)
Tobias
Except for his homelife (and being a hawk) he's pretty much exactly like me.
10 years ago 2nd was marco, now it's a tie bw jake and marco
I've got marco's sense of humor, ruthlessness, and incredibly bad luck with women
but now I've experience first hand what it's like to be a leader, and I can tell you, almost everything that Jake went through, and felt, I have too at some point. Never been in combat, but I have done plenty of STX and that weird and scary moment, when a decision has to be made, even though you have absolutely no idea what to do, and you have to act completely confident in it, even though you have no confidence at all, that's a very strange feeling and one of the most important jobs of a leader. I think it was captured pretty well in the books.
I'm not really sure what order the last three are though, the order changes too much for me to really place them.
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Too bad you can't change your vote. When I read the first 30 books Jake was my favorite, but that was like 5-6 years ago. Now I've just finished the series and I must say I like Marco ;D I still like Jake, but he's number 2 now :P
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Ax is my absolute favorite. After that it's Tobias, Jake, Cassie, Marco, then Rachel. I'm more or less ambivalent about Marco, but I have to say I genuinely dislike Rachel. I HATED David. I really wished someone would have punched him right in his rotten little mouth.
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joss whedon's characters? the guy is a MASTER at making characters only so developed. similarly with rachel and marco- i think they're "deep"... but not as deep as cassie or tobias. i think that cassie and tobias spend so much time in self-reflection that they naturally are the "deepest" and most complex of the group.
I would have to disagree, because personally I think Marco is at least as or more complex than Tobias. I mean, just reading #30 (which was ghostwritten, oddly enough) portrays a lot of different well-established struggles going on for him. He's got the surface struggle of ruthlessness vs. love. He's got the struggle beneath that of proving himself to Jake, because he's insecure about his position in the group, vs. the hope of saving his mother. He's got the emphasis on family vs. the emphasis on logic and reason. He's got the desperation to shoot his own dream down because it makes life too difficult and complicated working for it vs. the fact that without that dream, he has no direction. He's got the hypocrisy of advocating being passionless and unemotional vs. the hard-for-him-to-face reality that he is. He's got the inability to accept pity and advice vs. the desperate desire for someone to empathize. He's got the pride and dislike of being second-guessed vs. the hope that someone will take over for him. He has the keen awareness of how this will look vs. the awareness of how it will look to Jake. He's aware that he's deluding himself and keeping himself too occupied to think about the consequences but he sinks back into it because it's easier to do so, even if it means jeopardizing his own strategic 'masterpiece'.
All this is pinioned on a character arc where he goes from valuing his own life and family first, at the expense of his image within the group, to adopting the group and the war and his image to his comrades as the most important things to him. He's on a character arc where he swandives from reckless hope to hand-forcing defeatism. And throughout the series he's impatient, proud, incisive, insecure, perceptive, harsh, selfish, paranoid, loyal, desperate for approval he would never admit to wanting, and striving to be unaffected by a war that's warped his very values. And all this is in addition to being the comic relief!
/defending my favorite character.
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Tobias is always my favorite. My Uncle was talking about a family friend named Tobias. Cool, huh?
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Old topic, but I'm a new member (-ish), so eh.
In the beginning, I guess my favorite Animorph would have been Jake. However, as I reread through the series, I find myself enjoying Cassie and Tobias's perspectives more than the others.
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Rachel and Tobias, definitely. Not just together, but as individuals too.
I envy Rachel for being able to freely lose herself in the adrenaline, and seemingly not care about what happens in the process. She's fierce, beautiful, and strong. People's admiration of her went seemingly unnoticed - not because she was shallow, vain, or flaky. But because she has her own share of insecurities too. No matter what kind of a game face she puts on and how many times she says, "Let's do it!", she is always aware of that fear, and yet, she doesn't let it bother her until after the mission's over.
The Star Wars nerd in me compares her to Anakin - dangerously close to the dark side. And yet, she would never in a million years give into it.
It really angered me to learn that she died, although I think part of that was because I accidentally stumbled upon the spoiler before I'd reached that point in the books.
Tobias is, well... I've fallen in love with people like him in real life. He's sensitive, and remained surprisingly not jaded throughout the series, despite, as most of the characters put it at some point or another, being the one who has sacrificed and lost the most in the war with the Yeerks. He lost his family, then his human body, and finally, Rachel. He had to feel terribly betrayed by the person who saved him from getting toilet dunked when they were still normal teens.
I love how of all the characters, he has the most secret plot twists as well. He's given the power of morphing back by the Ellimist, but his hawk form remains his default. He meets his mother, finds out who his father (and uncle) are. I've always found it amazing how, technically, he's half-Andalite. Even if Elfangor allowed himself to be trapped in human morph to stay with Loren.
It was randomly remembering that that made me want to read the books again, as I never actually finished them back in the day.
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Ax is definitely my favorite. In many ways he's like a citizen of two worlds.
That he also annoys me a lot of the time with various hypocrisies or betrayals or bigotries is beside the point, he's still my favorite and people aren't exactly perfect either, as he often points out >>
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Marco. He's the only one that knows what needed to be done(except for Rachel, but she's crazy). His mom is Visser One, and he coined the term 'Animorph'. Books 30, 35, and Visser were the best in moving the storyline IMO.
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I think Tobias would have to be my first for the same reason as a lot of people; i related to him. Not that i ever had those sorts of problems.
And, having literally just finished the series about two hours ago (after a ten year hiatus from the series) i would have to say that Jake is second. And really only because of the last portion of the series. When he crumbles under the pressure of his lost family, then makes the truly rough decisions during the last two books, and then crumbles again while dealing with the consequences... it just felt human.
Then Marco, because he is funny as no other and is able to see what needs to be done.
Ax. I was always intrigued by his struggle between choosing between his human friends and Andalite society. Plus, he always made me laugh.
Rachel would be far higher on the list if her character wouldn't have been obfuscated by the poor writing of the ghost writers in the later books. i liked the direction she was going, that she was losing control, but thought that it could have been handled in a more subtle way.
Cassie is last. I appreciate her more now then i had as a kid (she bored me like no other) but her character didn't intrigue me. She always seemed to get in the way, and the fact that she was often made me think that she was the moral compass i was expected to follow by. her morality seemed to be emphasized as much (if not more than) her empathy.
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Tobias.
He is a great character and I kind of feel related to him.
I like characters which have to deal with themselfes and he does. I also liked the way he cared for Rachel.
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Tobias.
He is a great character and I kind of feel related to him.
I like characters which have to deal with themselfes and he does. I also liked the way he cared for Rachel.
Agreed. Also his personalty is kinda like mine, and I like characters I have similar personalities to. And I voted to Cassie :huh: (a long time ago that is)? Well, whatever. I like Tobias way better now.
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Ax, most definitely. He is so science-y and so cool and innocent, like a child, yet so smart and honorable and decent. If he was a real life person, I'd wanna be friends with him.
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I voted for Tobias.
Firstly, I felt sorry for him, but I also admire his bravery and humour.He has good interactions with the others. Also, I love reading his descriptions of bird-life (especially flying). Lastly, I love how tragic (I guess) the character is.
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Ax, easily. I just loved his character, and I loved the whole element of "OMG what's he going to do now?!??!" he added to the story. It was like Christmas every scene he popped up in, always a surprise. He was a character that really kept you reading.
Beside the funny and silly parts, it was really interesting to read about all his internal conflicts over being loyal to the humans and being loyal to the Andalites, as well as being a kid and being a warrior.
Probably my biggest beef with the series (other than the end) is that he and Tobias didn't get an equal number of books.
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But I happen to agree with pop; more Tobias and Ax = better Tobias and Ax. After all, would they be so great if they happened every other book? ;)
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Besides Rachel, I have to go with Marco. He was smart, funny, interesting, and had great character development.
Of course, Ax is awesome too.
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Marco. He kept it together. That's all I can say, that he got through the war stronger than he wasb efore. Tobias became a hermit.Cassie did what she probably would have done anyway. Ax got killed. Jake developed minor depression. Marco however, turned it into his opportunity for what he wanted. Fame and fortune. He came out on top.
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Rachel is my #1 favourite. My #2 is Tobias.
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I love Ax, he cracks me up with the way he talks and his love of eating.
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A tie between Jake and Tobias. :)
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Not technically on the list, my favourite character from the series was Toby.
If I had to choose an actual animorph, probably Ax.
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If you want to count him as a Animorph rather then the one, true Andalite bandit, I have to go with AX. I was always a big fan of the Andalites. Not to mention it's absolutely halarious when the Aniorphs try to pass him off as a normal human when they are in public.
My least favorite Animorph (though I still like her) would have to be Cassie. Yeah, she was often the voice of reason and saved the day on more then one occasion, but her constant moral dilemas got to be pretty annoying by the end of the series.
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David.
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I don't know if I've posted on this thread or not being that I haven't been on the forum in two years. But growing up my favorites were Tobias and Ax because they were outsiders. Now re-reading the series Marco is becoming a favorite as well because of his humor.
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Having started re-reading the books, and now being at number 11, Marco is quickly becoming my favourite of the main six. Still, that may change!