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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2008, 12:22:12 AM »
It crossed his mind.  He specifically said "to weak to morph."  Yes, the Animorphs have morphed out of worse, but the Animorphs have had WAY more practice doing so.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2008, 12:53:05 AM »
ya but to me, that's a lame explantion. "too weak to morph", what the hell is the that? in AC he shoulda explained his injuries a bit better so itd make sense
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2008, 01:54:48 PM »
I imagine when one is a hurtling towards a planet, trying not to crash land in a burning wreckage is top priority in the mind ::).
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2008, 07:07:31 PM »
I imagine when one is a hurtling towards a planet, trying not to crash land in a burning wreckage is top priority in the mind ::).


yes, but then how come searching 4 the time matrix was? thats how he came to be in the site in the 1rst place
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2008, 07:30:31 PM »
hmm. good question.   

They say that morphing takes some of your energy and i think that even the animorphs mentioned they feel very weak when they have to morph and demorph continuiosly. So yeah, I guess he was just too exhasted to even try. Shooting down Yeerk bug fighters must have tired him out, lol.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2008, 09:24:24 PM »
yes, but then how come searching 4 the time matrix was? thats how he came to be in the site in the 1rst place
That's what he was doing when he got shot down.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2008, 10:30:14 PM »
The Time Matrix was his only hope at that point. With the Andalites above Earth virtually destroyed and himself critically wounded, the Matrix was his last recourse. Of course it'd be a priority.

It's not like morphing would have helped, anyway. Even if he had the energy, Visser Three got there only minutes later. He would have noticed a fully-healed Andalite walking around or a kafit bird flying away. Elfangor was doomed either way; his only chance was to undo it all.

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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2008, 12:45:43 AM »
he was
yes, but then how come searching 4 the time matrix was? thats how he came to be in the site in the 1rst place
That's what he was doing when he got shot down.

but he was already injured when he was lookin 4 the time matrix.

and i'm not really arguing that elfangor needed to die. what i'm saying is is that the way he died is kinda lame when u take the whole morphing thing in2 consideration
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2008, 05:46:09 AM »
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The Time Matrix was his only hope at that point. With the Andalites above Earth virtually destroyed and himself critically wounded, the Matrix was his last recourse. Of course it'd be a priority.

It's not like morphing would have helped, anyway. Even if he had the energy, Visser Three got there only minutes later. He would have noticed a fully-healed Andalite walking around or a kafit bird flying away. Elfangor was doomed either way; his only chance was to undo it all.

Even if Elfangor morphed.... the Yeerks would have come to him by then. So... either try to haul butt and morph out THEN die... why not just accept the fact... and instead, give hope by giving the mighty morphing power to the Animorphs.

Andalites never used the morphing power much. You can't compare them to the Animorphs. After all, they aren't called "Animorphs" for nothing. They are more experienced in morphing than anyone.. even any Andalite... since they use (and abuse) it the most. The Animorphs morph out of fatal injuries because they had a lot of practice, while Elfangor morphed... what? 5 times?

Its just like typing, for example. I can type a faster even without looking at the keyboard than others who need to look while they type. Its just like that.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2008, 05:57:33 AM »
wait...do the books actually say someone in morph touching the cube can't give the morphing power? I don't think the books ever say you need to be in your normal form to give morphing power (although most likely you do need to be in your original form). Sure, in every situation, the person with the power to morph was in their original form, but they didn't have a reason to be in morph (except for maybe this situation, but that's not the point). Just something I thought of.

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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2008, 07:03:17 AM »
the holy scriptures never pointed out that you have to be in your original form.... but, unfortunately, the holy scriptures also never pointed out that you can give it in morph.  :P

It's actually pretty vague...  :)
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2008, 08:17:26 AM »
what i don't get is how it happened, or more like why. cuz when he got injured, why didn't he just morph into sumthing, anything, and then demorph, and he woulda been healed. instead, he wasted time looking for the time matrix. i mean, i don't buy the whole "he was too injured" thing, cuz the animorphs have been in way worse shape then a burn on their side, and managed to morph. i don't see how if elfangor is morph capable he could have been dying.

Back up there for a second. He did NOT was time looking for the time matrix. In the end he's just one soldier, but the time matrix is the most powerful weapon in the universe, the side which can controls it can easily turn the tide of the war.
As to the morphing question, I don't think any of us know enough about Andalite physiology to comment on the severity of his injuries. Maybe, for whatever reason, he was unable to morph. Plus there wouldn't have been the time to do what you were suggesting. If he had morphed then demorphed then he would have been surrounded by Yeerks and Visser 3, a hopeless situation.

at the end of the AC, it says elfangor was looking for the time matrix for one last desperate hope to save himself (obvious paraphrasing here). so he coulda been morphing on the way down to earth instead.

like with mertil, they ask why he didnt just morph to save his tail, member? so it is possible to morph and demorph to heal injuries, or in 42, when rachel is burned by marco's stomach acid, she morphs grizzly, then demorphs.

  i think its a KASU, like with jake thought speaking as a human in book 1. she proly didn't think to use morphing as a way to heal one's self till later. so all ppl who said that, it makes sense



I would like to call into question the severity of his injures; it had to be more than just a burn. I mean, he couldn't be hit directly and his ship was still in good enough shape to touch down. We don't really know how bad he was hurt.
Plus morphing takes energy; after a space fight, seeing his whole fleet ( and assuming that his brother) are blasted to ash, getting banged up and crash landing on Earth; he couldn't even stand up till the last throw down.
Between that and his injuries I think he has a decent excuse to not be able to, or try, a morph

I am going to dare say it's most definitely a K.A.S.U.!
I fail to imagine an injury which would stop concentration for an Andalite to morph. Given the range of morphs our Animorphs heroes demorphed away from, even from the brink of death. Heck, I even recall them demorphing whilst passing out/losing consciousness. They regain from a morph totally 100% human.
Why would this experienced Andalite Prince be any different?! I am sorry, but fatigue doesn't seem to cut it either. Or could the kids be a more strong-minded lot not letting fear, pain, near-death encounters, fatigue get the best out of them?! Elfangor had last remaining strength enough to strike at Visser 3's Antarean Bogg morph before the end.
So nope, sorry, it's a K.A.S.U. for me.

The truth is, there had to be an impact on the new reader, as to how this noble and iconic alien hero had already decided to sacrifice himself for the human race. A lethal unrepairable injury was the plot device.

Could the answer perhaps lie in the possibility of Elfangor NOT HAVING THE MORPHING POWER AT THAT MOMENT?!
This is just a theory of mine, but I am thinking MAYBE, after the Andalite Chronicles, the Ellimist and Elfangor with the Time Mattix and all re-winded everything to a point past to the moment he was first given his power to morph and never ended up getting it somehow. We all know doing something different in the past changes somethings that would happen normally in the future.
So maybe Elfangor rejected the technology?!?!?!?
Of course, this would contradict everything as to why he would have carried an Escafil Device in his spacecraft and why he would break Seerow's Kindness to use it on the Earth kids.
Sooo much for me theory...

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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2008, 02:31:28 PM »
finally gafrash, sum1 who agrees with me. but ur theory may wrk if u apply it to after elfangor was made an andalite again after having become a human nothlit. it coulda been that he was stuck as an andalite nothlit type thing, where he is no longer able to morph. but see, all of this coulda easily been explained in the AC, but they werent :-\
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2008, 05:07:33 PM »
Actually the nothlit ideas makes sense. I mean the Andalites don't usually morph. Plus he was made into a Prince right after he got back to the fleet so there is a good chance he would not to have had to morph from then on. No one would have noticed because he wouldn't be morphing anyway. We can also say that maybe he still had his morphing power but like Tobias after he was given the power back, lost all his previous morphs. To try and reaquire the one morph he had, The Kafit bird, would seem somewhat odd for a prince to do. There would be a whole enquirery since not many people knew about the Ellimists intervention.This would cause him to tell the whole story of what had happened. I think Elfangor would have rather just keep the story secret.
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Question about the first book: Why did Elfangor not morph?
« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2008, 04:55:01 AM »
WHY didn't he morph and then go away with Rachel, tobias, Jake,... and the blue cube before the yeerks landed ?
He was seriously injuried but it would have make him good again...

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