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Re: Question about the first book: Why did Elfangor not morph?
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2008, 05:58:06 AM »
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Re: Question about the first book: Why did Elfangor not morph?
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2008, 06:07:41 AM »
Thanks^^
I thought someone could have already asked the question but honestly i was too lazy to check too far  :-[
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2008, 07:26:58 AM »
Sorry, I didn't read everything, so I don't know if somebody said that but here 2 ideas :
- Elfangor thought morphing and demorphing must be too long and the Yeerks would arrive and torture him (or maybe make him a Controller, but I think more about a long, very very long torture by Esplin); morphing only and leave with the Animorphs make them in danger because he mustn't have so many morph, maybe only kafit or that kind of things, and Yeerk could find him out easily, and maybe find the Animorphs too...
well, not very good explanation but... this one is better:
- When the Ellimist give him back his body, he didn't give him back the morphing power nor the capacity to acquire it again, so he couldn't morph any more! even if he has the morphing cube, he couldn't use it...
this last repear the KASU ;) don't you think?
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Re: Question about the first book: Why did Elfangor not morph?
« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2008, 09:54:41 AM »
In AC he says he was tired, or something along those lines. Tired of the war, and tired of the fighting. He was ready to die. That's all we get.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2008, 05:21:38 PM »
Quote from: Tocade on December 28, 2008, 04:55:01 AM
WHY didn't he morph and then go away with Rachel, tobias, Jake,... and the blue cube before the yeerks landed ?
He was seriously injuried but it would have make him good again...

No really, i still don't understand.


and u are echoing the point of this thread :P

ya that i feel was very poorly incorporated into the story line :-X
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2008, 06:32:13 PM »
1. Did Elfangor have any morph more useful for combat than his own Andalite body?  Can't know for certain, but I assume no.
2. Even if he had morphed then demorphed for healing purposes, could he still take on Visser 3 and all those Controllers and survive?  I don't think so.
3.  If he had morphed something to escape, he would have condemmed the Animorphs to death or becoming controllers.  If the Yeerks had come across a deserted Andalite fighter, they would have spent a lot more energy searching the contruction site and most likely would have found the Animorphs. 
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2008, 02:05:43 AM »
Quote from: estrid on December 28, 2008, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: Tocade on December 28, 2008, 04:55:01 AM
WHY didn't he morph and then go away with Rachel, tobias, Jake,... and the blue cube before the yeerks landed ?
He was seriously injuried but it would have make him good again...

No really, i still don't understand.


and u are echoing the point of this thread :P

ya that i feel was very poorly incorporated into the story line :-X



I actually created a whole thread about it, but i didn't know there was already one ^^


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3.  If he had morphed something to escape, he would have condemmed the Animorphs to death or becoming controllers.  If the Yeerks had come across a deserted Andalite fighter, they would have spent a lot more energy searching the contruction site and most likely would have found the Animorphs. 

But he lost so much time explaining stuff etc...
They could have ran away before the Yeerks found them.
He would have morphed in Kafit and then, once sheltered from the Yeerks, demorphed and explained everything.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2008, 02:08:39 AM »
yes! had he healed himself thru morphing and escaped with the others, there woulda been time later to explain. and im sure he coulda given a better explanation too had he had more time
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2008, 02:11:12 AM »
Quote from: estrid on December 29, 2008, 02:08:39 AM
yes! had he healed himself thru morphing and escaped with the others, there woulda been time later to explain. and im sure he coulda given a better explanation too had he had more time

He could also have found the "globe spacio-temporel" (I can't find the English word) since it was its goal !
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2008, 05:20:38 AM »
hmm...from english words that are similiar to those, I'm gonna guess you mean time matrix...
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2008, 06:53:01 AM »
Yes, it's what she means ^^
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2008, 12:46:02 AM »
If he morphed I think only Tobias would've stayed. The others would've run screaming.

I think he wanted to die. He thought his brother was dead, the Yeerks were here, he had passed on the morphing technology to another species and broken the law of Seerow's Kindness. Not to mention the fact that Tobias told him Loren had disappeared from Tobias's sight. And that he thought his father died. He didn't want to live. And, as it is made clear in a certain book, not sure which, morphing can go wonky if your emotions are on the fritz, and trust me they must've been for Elfangor.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2008, 01:23:13 AM »
Yeah, he was sick of fighting, he felt it was high time he died.
That's the only really good explaination to me...

Cause if he wanted to live and keep fighting he could have found many ways to escape before the yeerks landed.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2008, 02:04:58 AM »
Quote from: V on December 31, 2008, 12:46:02 AM
If he morphed I think only Tobias would've stayed. The others would've run screaming.

I think he wanted to die. He thought his brother was dead, the Yeerks were here, he had passed on the morphing technology to another species and broken the law of Seerow's Kindness. Not to mention the fact that Tobias told him Loren had disappeared from Tobias's sight. And that he thought his father died. He didn't want to live. And, as it is made clear in a certain book, not sure which, morphing can go wonky if your emotions are on the fritz, and trust me they must've been for Elfangor.

I agree with this.  Personally, I'd be a little depressed if that had happened to me.
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Re: Elfangor's death
« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2008, 02:18:27 AM »
True. How not to be depressed!? But he could stay for his son...
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