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Offline Bootlebat

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What three races?
« on: August 07, 2014, 10:18:48 PM »
Ok something that always bothered me. In #4 when they first meet Ax he says there are only three races that still fight the yeerks. Now obviously the andalites are one but what are the other two. I guess one of them MIGHT be leerians because we later learn the yeerks are trying to conquer them but I'm not sure Ax knew this at the time so?? And what about the third race?
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2014, 06:36:56 AM »
Just like with the Straam and the Mak, this is something that's mentioned early in the books that KAA doesn't really do anything with. As well as Alloran mentioning Yeerks being on the homeworld in book 8, and one Andalite saying he fought alongside Hork-Bajir in the war. Maybe the third race is the Onganchics. They have no homeworld, and one of their ships were taken by the Yeerks before they found the Hork-Bajir. That could be the third race. Still, it's not much.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2014, 12:49:19 PM »
It could also be the Hawjabrans, speaking of races that were mentioned only briefly in the series.  I can't imagine that their race as a whole were too happy with the Yeerks, who, keep in mind, turned off life-support on one of their transports and left a bunch of them to die just out of spite because they couldn't be infested.  :P
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2014, 03:05:49 PM »
I just remembered, Visser One/Eva gets sent off to the Anati planet to deal with some issues there after Visser.  Apparently, they managed to make a whole Yeerk fleet just disappear without a trace.  She ultimately fails to resolve the situation, so they obviously put up quite a fight there, either with or without Andalite support (can't remember details).  That failure is what led to Visser One's execution by Kandarona deprivation in #45.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2014, 03:45:13 PM »
Quote from: DinosaurNothlit on August 08, 2014, 12:49:19 PM
It could also be the Hawjabrans, speaking of races that were mentioned only briefly in the series.  I can't imagine that their race as a whole were too happy with the Yeerks, who, keep in mind, turned off life-support on one of their transports and left a bunch of them to die just out of spite because they couldn't be infested.  :P

I forgot about the Hawjabrans. Not being infestable would give them an edge over the Yeerks.

I'm not sure we really got any details about thae Anati area, besides the yeerks planning on making a trap within an asteroid belt when the Andalites showed up. That feels like kind of a new development, though, unlike with the earlier species.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2014, 08:24:23 PM »
On a related note I got the impression from the early books that the Yeerk Empire was going to be a lot bigger originally, like Ax says only three races left in the galaxy which implies the Yeerks already got all the other races. Also seems like the Empire was around for a long time rather than just 30 years as we later find out.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2014, 08:28:20 PM »
Yeah, I was a little surprised at first to hear that the war has only been going on for about 30 years when the series started. When I think wars in space, I think a lot of time passing because habitable worlds are few and far between.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2014, 11:55:43 PM »
Hmmm. Never really could narrow this down in my head. Andalites are obvious. Leerans and Hawjabrans are both good candidates, like Dino said. Well we can't forget good old Homo Sapiens, but i'm pretty sure Ax wasn't talking about them.

Could it be the Hork Bajir? Were Aldrea's Hor Bajir resistance fighters still active at this point? I really don't remember Book 34 that well. Would they even count since the entire race had been enslaved?
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2014, 08:38:59 AM »
I don't think Hork-Bajir would count. I really don't think the idea of a Hork-Bajir resistance was in KAA's mind at that point. Maybe not even Hawjabrans and Leerans.

Was it ever stated why Hawjabrans couldn't be infested?
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2014, 10:57:40 AM »
Yeah. The Hawjabrans brain were spread out in nodes throughout their bodies. They didn't have one big brain that the Yeerks could wrap around so they couldn't be infested.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2014, 11:00:21 AM »
Ok, that explains it.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2014, 11:54:57 AM »
You're probably right. Applegate probably just had Ax say that without having any definite plans on how to expand on it. Or maybe she never planned to expand on it at all.

Besides, Ax could be completely wrong anyways. We know he wasn't the best listener when it came to school.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2014, 12:05:23 PM »
Quote from: Nar Klawip on August 16, 2014, 11:54:57 AM
Besides, Ax could be completely wrong anyways. We know he wasn't the best listener when it came to school.

This is a good point.  Remember him saying that the Hork-bajir had a biological clock that set them warring every few hundred years or whatever it was?  That bit of trivia ended up being utterly false.
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2014, 12:40:14 PM »
I think my favorite was when he told the Animorphs that Andalites had never heard of Helmacrons. Your brother Elfangor made JOKES about them in TAC Ax!
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Re: What three races?
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2014, 03:13:04 PM »
Quote from: Bootlebat on August 12, 2014, 08:24:23 PM
On a related note I got the impression from the early books that the Yeerk Empire was going to be a lot bigger originally, like Ax says only three races left in the galaxy which implies the Yeerks already got all the other races. Also seems like the Empire was around for a long time rather than just 30 years as we later find out.

The funny thing is, it IS big by Animorphs standards.  We find out in Visser that our population is HUGE compared to most in the verse.  Like, when Visser 1 was reporting to her at the time superior that she had found a species with a population of 6 billion, he misheard her as it being 6 million and was still really excited.

Quote from: DinosaurNothlit on August 16, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: Nar Klawip on August 16, 2014, 11:54:57 AM
Besides, Ax could be completely wrong anyways. We know he wasn't the best listener when it came to school.

This is a good point.  Remember him saying that the Hork-bajir had a biological clock that set them warring every few hundred years or whatever it was?  That bit of trivia ended up being utterly false.
Given what the Andalites did to them, that could very easily have been propaganda to quell the population.  It was 70 years IIRC.
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