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In defence of humanity...
« on: January 18, 2010, 05:35:46 PM »
I was thinking today, and I must say soemthing about the humans vs yeerks. I was thinking about what would have happened if the humans had gone to war agaisnt the yeerks, openly, with no Andalites coming for sometime. I believe the yeerks would regret the war completely. The initial battles would be won by Yeerks, due to advanced technology, bug fighters and such, but they have several problem

1. The yeerk force is only a task force, not a invasion force. They only have about probably twenty-thirty thousand HB and human controllers, tops. The taxxons would be little threat, as they are easily dispatched as would the gedds.

2. Firepower. From what I've seen in the books, yeerk ground forces would be woafully underarmed, as all they seem to have is mainly hand held dracon beams, not ideal for open combat. They have some heavier weapons as well, the Venbers dracon assault cannons and the 'lincoln memorial on a swivel mount' Tobias saw. They seem to have no room clearing weapons liek grenades, though Aldrea in the HB chronicles does mention something like quantum explosives or something like that. Us humans on the other hand, have more guns that the entire bloody yeerk empire! We have long range weapon and sniper capable of popping HB melons (heads) at a kilometer away! We have grenades, mortars, tanks and such. While tanks could be stopped with a well placed dracon blast, one abrams cannon round could tear twenty HBs to shreds, and a taxxon assault force of two hundred could be decimated entirely by a marine squad with M-16s and a fifty calibre machine gun.

3. Air support. While bug fighters have shields and dracon beams and such, they are not made for atmosphere. Our fighters can do mach 4 and over in atmosphere, and have formidable armnanents. Missiles can be shot down, but sidewidners at close range would be impossible to catch in time. Since yeerk fighters operate on line of sight in air-to-air combat, we could definately level the field with thirty mm vulcan chain guns and such. While the bugs have shields, they couldn't take 30 mm super dense depleted uranium rounds in   they would quickly wear down and then the fighter would be torn to bits. Other than bugs, the yeerks have no real gunships or anything, except for a mention of 'skimmers' in book 18 which I presume are their version of tanks, or mobile artillery. We have apache longbow gunships which could easily turn a yeerk force into paste with their flying arsenal. And, the estimated number of fighters the yeerks have is maybe one hundred, probably lower. We have thousands so we would win through sheer quanity anyway. As for the bladeship, it could cause huge damage, but could be destroyed by a couple dozen SAMs (Surface to Air Missiles)

All these things aside, think of it. Earth would turn int oa hellhole one hundred tiems worse than the HB homeworld ever was or could have been. Think, one thousand andalites and 700 HB warriors caused the yeerks so much greif and destruction. Us, with milions of soldiers, and the fact we are brutal and crazy in battle, would turn earth into ta meat grinder for yeerks. Also, about 20% of humanity would call the yeerks demons and go on a hoyl war against them. Think, the yeerks would have to engage in things like urban and jungle warfare, the most brutal types of war imaginable. building to building, house to house. It would be such a slaughter for them that instead of strengthening them, they would send in dozens of ships to earth and weaken their front everywhere else, allowing an Andalite breakthrough.

So in fact earth may have become their undoing.

Not to say we would suffer too though, millions of civilians would die. This would terrify some to submission, others to revenge, or others to hiding. So Earth vs Yeerks in full scale open warfare would turn earth into a slaughter hosue for yeerks everywhere.
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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 05:49:47 PM »
I would still say the Yeerks would win. We can't argue with space based weaponry. Even if we could eliminate every Yeerk on Earth, they could just blast our cities from the upper atmosphere with those giant ship-based dracons.

Even then, we would only be able to over-run the land based force via sheer numbers. You forget though, not every human on earth is trained for combat, and every single one of them would have no idea what is going on. 99.9% of the human population would be essentially useless, you and I included. Even if someone was extremely capable of combat and trained with many vehicles, they'd still be unaware of the nature of Yeerks, and just get shot by who they thought was their neighbor.

Remember in #54 when Doubleday's men, with all their tanks and jets and helicopters were basically brushed aside like nothing, even toyed with by the Visser? It would take a dozen of the best fighter jets, or more, just to overwhelm one bug fighter, and that's no help when a blade ship will just annihilate the aircraft carriers instantly. The bug fighters can and do handle atmosphere, and they're far more maneuverable at high speeds than our jets.

You're comparing brute numbers, and assuming the humans are aware of Yeerks and will have time to plan and mobilize. The Yeerks know about Humans, and not the other way around. How hard would it be for a handful of bug fighters to come down and destroy the primary weapons depots and military bases before anyone even knows what's going on? The only thing we've got that can do massive damage and have time to prepare would be the nuclear ICBM's, as they are hidden and many are in subs in the middle of the ocean. There's only a couple problems though - we can't put them into space before they can be shot down by a dracon, and shooting them over Earth in any threatening number would hurt humanity just as much as them. Millions won't die; billions will.

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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 06:07:50 PM »
Millions won't die; billions will.
but wouldn't that be a blow to the yeerks? what's the point of open war if they only get a few hundred thousand bodies out of it?

on a related note, if it's just open war, the yeerks would win. remember ax said in #28 that the yeerk dracon beams in orbit could ignite the atmosphere and incinerate all life on the planet, though that's not practical for them... in other words, if the yeerks just wanted to win without thinking about what they'd gain, they'd win without batting an eye...
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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 06:24:42 PM »
I'm talkig open warfare over control of humanity, not simply genocide. no, not a dozen jets per bug fighter. At those be three speeds, they could only eliminate two or maybe three before it was close enough for chain guns and sidewinders.

not billions, only missions. As said in megamorphs 4, the ellimist stated that millions would die before victory. As for the poolship, if it descended into atmosphere for reasons, such as the yeerk pool exploding it could be destroyed by a tactical nuke. doubeldays forces didn't have anything to attack the pool ship, they were only prepped for ground combat. The pool ship can only be one place at a time anyway. The animorphs could warn the president and all, and inform the public of the attack. Yes, controllers would spark inside fighting. As I said before, it would be a meatgrinder, like stalingrad. The bladeship, could be severly damaged i believe from an experimental Rail gun shooting super dense slugs at hgih rate of speeds. Anyway, if we nuked the pool ship and the yeerk pool, that would be victory in three days, at least until they gotreinforcements in. And with the z-space rift, that could tank months easily.
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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 07:19:44 PM »
this got me thinking... could a pool ship actually survive a nuclear explosion? it seems possible with the kind of force field the yeerks have, but no matter how I imagine it, it seems weird...

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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 02:09:47 PM »
I think we could definitely outlast the yeerks just by the sheer numbers and the fact that we will never quit. Even if they level every major city in the world it will turn into gorilla warfare when they actually try to come down and take hosts. And if we are aware of their need for kandrona we'll definitely be able to take that out eventually. We have the firepower to send thousands of nukes at their pool ship if we had to.

It will be absolutely devastating for the human race but Visser One recognized early on that that kind of war would be completely ineffective against a species like ours. The only threat we'd face would be if the yeerks finally give up and decide to pull out, they'd obviously torch the atmosphere on their way out the door. Once they finally admit they cant win the war and get us as hosts, why not burn us all out of spite lol

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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 06:56:18 PM »
Even if they level every major city in the world it will turn into gorilla warfare when they actually try to come down and take hosts.

We're going to fight with gorillas? :P

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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 07:06:20 PM »
I'm kind of iffy about this. I really think it would take too much to actually defeat them. I know it's a strain for them to have forces on the ground without a ground base, and guarding any ground base would require effort on the Yeerk's part, but unless we can make the pool ship or blade ship land and infiltrate it, I don't think we would ever win. They would just wear us down. Even if they killed five billion Humans, they would still have one or two billion to go around.

I think our chances of winning are very low, especially since the main and possibly only reason V1 wanted quiet infiltration was just to help ensure Darwin and Madra weren't killed. Not because she was afraid the Humans could really win. We are class five, not four.


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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 07:57:34 PM »
but who defines whether we're class 5 or 4? the yeerks. how do the yeerks know what species is too powerful (class 4) and what species isn't (class 5)? there are different kinds of strengths after all...

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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 08:11:24 PM »
Well it's based on population size, how suitable they are for infestation, and how easy it would be to take over. Since the Yeerks have more advanced technology, and most humans are not aware of the existance of aliens, it would be considerably easier to take over the Human race than Andalites.


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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2010, 09:33:51 PM »
Even if they level every major city in the world it will turn into gorilla warfare when they actually try to come down and take hosts.

We're going to fight with gorillas? :P

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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2010, 09:40:48 PM »
lol
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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 10:52:25 PM »
Remember, the blade ship CAN shoot down missiles with its dracon beams. but twenty SAMs coming at it? No way. Especially since it appears the bladeships cannons require line of sight to hit anything, they don't have 360 protection.
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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 11:22:28 PM »
We have one big advantage, though.

They want us alive. We want them dead.

That implies that we'd be able to do more mass destruction to them, as it's our bodies not our "unobtanium" that's so valuable. They kill too many of us, it's a total waste. And the Yeerks lack mind-control software or anything but advanced weapon technology...so humanity defiantly would be able to prolong the war, if not win it.

I think that the difference between Class 4 and Class 5, by the way, is the technology that the race has. Andalites with human technology would probably be a class 5 too.
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Re: In defence of humanity...
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2010, 11:30:22 PM »
I believe I said before that even if they killed five billion people, there would still be enough to go around. So they fact that they want us alive doesn't really matter. They could destroy all of Earth's superpowers and there would still be enough survivors to enslave. Not the best case scenario for them, but it would still help their war efforts.


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