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Humans of the future
« on: December 24, 2009, 02:47:10 PM »
So I've been thinking about #54 lately, and I was wondering what your guys' opinions were.

We learn in 54 that Andalites essentially give Z-Space technology to humans in exchange for...Cinnabons. Okay, whatever, sure. But, fifty years after that, or a hundred years after that, what do you think the humans' role in the Animorphs galaxy would be? Do you think we'd still be cool with the Andalites, or do you think, by then, they would have figured out how to grow wheat, sugar cane, and raise livestock so they could make their own Cinnabons? What do you think the human *talent* or *trait* would be? The Hork-Bajir were fierce, the Taxxons were insane, the Andalites were arrogant...what one *word* would aliens describe humans as? What would be our hat?

I kind of think there'd be a point in the future where we'd get into a fight with the Andalites. Humans are driven by curiosity, the need to explore, and I just picture us asking "Can we go there?" <No, sorry, it's dangerous.> "But why?" <BECAUSE IT IS NOW GO MAKE ME A CINNABON AND SHUT UP> you know?

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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2009, 03:06:00 PM »
I can see in 50-100 years after the events in the series that humans would somehow improve on something the Andalites started but couldn't figure out how to finish.

Remember how Ax kept flipping out when he read time lines of Human invention (first flight to first in space, discovering radioactivity to nuclear weaponry, etc)? Or how he couldn't believe it when Marco's dad understood Z-Space?

Based on what Ax says, the Andalites were only ahead because they had so much time to figure things out, while humans accelerated through technology at a faster rate, just with less time.

Given the resources and a good place to start, and assuming the Andalites don't stop them, I can see humans becoming a significant power in the Animorphs universe after enough time. If anything, humans have sheer numbers.

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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2009, 03:20:38 PM »
I think our adjective would probably be "inventive" or "persistant."  The two traits that Ax and other aliens in the series seem to continually point out about humans, is that they are very fast learners and good at innovation and adaptivity, and that we refuse to give up, even when it would be the rational thing to do.

So, once released upon an unsuspecting galaxy, I think humans would eventually surpass the Andalites, and if they tried to stop us, we'd retaliate and refuse to back down until they got out of our way.

Which makes me think that maybe the Yeerks weren't the worst race that the Andalites gave advanced technology to.

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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2009, 12:28:29 PM »
our trait probably be "many" and yeah, i can definitely see humans taking our imperialistic tendencies into space, for better or worse.

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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2009, 03:13:59 AM »
a very interesting topic and interesting replies everyone.

hrrmm. What would humans in animorphs universe be like 50 - 100 years post #54. I think first of all, that humans would certainly be very advanced. As a previous poster above said, the andalites reckon humans learn very fast. It is mentioned alot in Ax's first narrator book -'#8 the alien' where the after reading the world almanac cassie gives him, he comments on something about how humans did something like how short a while ago in history we built our first flying machine, and then a mere 50 or so years later we've managed to land on our moon. Ax said that it took andalites twice as long. Too lazy to look for page reference atm, but its in there. Then I think he goes on to say that we would be capable of faster then light travel soon, near the end of the book I think. Actually, he is surprisingly quite flattering towards humans in this book.

On humans in general, I saddens me to say that I don't think its very far fetched to imagine us as the bad guys replacing or even outdoing the yeerks. History proves that humans are capable of being just plain evil mofos -and historically, alot of these poeple were major leaders! Hitler and Stalin comes to mind. I think humans are capable of being much more evil than the yeerks, and an evil person actually comes around to exist. Us, our history as a race, a species, has been tarnished by attempts and accomplishments in genocide. We don't even see ourselves and one united singular species. It is as if we see people of different color skin, ethnicity and from different nations and cultures as another total different species altogether, based on the racism, prejudice and discrimination that has and still do exist.

Hitler was willing to kill millions of innocent people of his species - humans, the jewish people. Even yeerks such as visser three - who as we've seen has no qualms about lopping of the heads and limps of those poor human and hork-bajir controllers who happened to pissed him off by questioning his orders - showed that he still cared for his own kind and wasn't capable of just letting alot of them die (TAC, HBC and #54). In incidences that I've seen in those books, he shows concern about the possibility of having the thousands of his yeerk comrades who were still in the yeerk pool above the ships getting flushed into space. Hitler, on the other hand, a human, I'm sure would actually enjoy having thousands if not millions of jews getting flushed into the vacuum if space. He'd probably want to do it himself.

Humans it seems, have more free will, more individualism, more differentiating and conflicting views, visions, hopes, dreams and ideas from each other on how things should be on just about everything. One guy may have an idea that is good and moral. the next person might have his own agenda and views which he would think is right and justified, but is in fact, immoral. There is too much difference amongst us in terms of mental thought, ideas, interpretation, standards of ethics and morality that it is easy for evil humans to come into existence. We are capable of inflicting genocide, ethnic cleansing and mass murder amongst/towards our own species. So how can we expect to get along for long with something that is a total different species altogether?    

The andalites I assume would be wary of humans. By then, in the 50-100 years and from Aximilli's reports if he had made any on humans - (I would assume he did, since he said that when the war was over, he would write a book about humans cuz he considered himself an expert, with due reason as we all know) the andalites would know both our potential to be a superpower and also our potential and capability to be evil. Of unspeakable evil. An andalite need just to pick up a book on hitler and I would bet he would have second thoughts on looking at us as a peaceful, harmony and tolerant race.

I think the andalites would definitely try to control us, have some kind of leverage or advantage over us. And I think this would clash with humans, as we are naturally curious and always willing to explore, jump into the unknown and advance. I don't think we would get along with the andalites and be faithful & sincere buddies for long.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the andalites were secretly quarantining earth, you know, always keeping a close eye on earth and making a fuss about everything getting to do with earths attempts in interstellar activities. I think this was posted in a post i forgot which one, but post #54 earth is a melting pot of former yeerks, yeerk nothlits, former controllers, taxxon nothlits and hork-bajirs. The knowledge and know how of how to build and operate advance crafts and weapons are still there with them. The possibilities and potentials of people using these resources for evil is high, to 'in your face' for them to ignore/tolerate imo.    


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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 09:54:16 AM »
I think that Humans will find a way to screw things up fairly quickly; we usually do.  The morphing technology is a very bad thing to give to anyone who wants it.  There's no way to track who has what morphs and what they're doing with them.  Plus, the Andalites said that they didn't want to give us any weapons technology, but even in book #54 we see that the military is starting to use the morphing technology for military operations.  That's sure to piss off the Andalites and possibly throw a wrench into the relations.


In 50-100 years I see the Andalites and Humans having a sort of feud going.  I doubt there will have been any "wars" since the Andalites can simply crush us if they wanted to, but they may demand their technology back or something.  I feel fairly confident that we won't have good relations with them though.
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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 01:33:04 PM »
I think that Humans will find a way to screw things up fairly quickly; we usually do.  The morphing technology is a very bad thing to give to anyone who wants it.  There's no way to track who has what morphs and what they're doing with them.  Plus, the Andalites said that they didn't want to give us any weapons technology, but even in book #54 we see that the military is starting to use the morphing technology for military operations.  That's sure to piss off the Andalites and possibly throw a wrench into the relations.


In 50-100 years I see the Andalites and Humans having a sort of feud going.  I doubt there will have been any "wars" since the Andalites can simply crush us if they wanted to, but they may demand their technology back or something.  I feel fairly confident that we won't have good relations with them though.

thing is, andalites are kinda aholes too.  they were more than willing to destroy our planet to hurt the yeerks.  in the future, we would probably still be on reasonably terms, but it would be strained.  the andalites would keep trying to contain us, and guide us, trying not to unleash another menace on the galaxy like they did with the yeerks, and wed want to explore away, and find new planets to colonize, since if everyone is attractive, our birthrates would probably go up quite a bit.

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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 05:17:23 PM »
       In about 50-100 years, I think the humans will indeed surpass the Andalites. as persistent and creative humans are, im sure they could even find ways to get around the limits to morphing(like the time limit, morphing clothes, the amount of time it takes to morph, ect) Hell, they could even find away to acquire other organisms just by looking at them. Unfortunately, being the arrogant aholes that they are, the Andalites will most likely feel threatened by the humans sudden progression and some feuds(not exactly wars) will more than likely break out. I don't think the Andalites would be dumb enough to challenge humans to an all out war though. Sure the Andalites have their ships and tailblades, but who knows what the hell humans will have by the then, combined with all the dangerous stuff we have now(plus we could threaten to stop supplying the Andalites with their precious Cinnamon Buns), we could very well become one of the most feared species in the galaxy.

    Now for some positive stuff. With the healing abilities that comes with morphing, we can expect very few sick humans, in fact we may be able to cure all sicknesses just by morphing not to mention the increase in life expectancy. I see great things in store for humanity in the Animorphs universe(which is why I's love to live there)
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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 09:25:35 PM »
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Okay. I'm going to start by saying that in 50-100 years post-54 humanity will have made leaps and bounds in technology, but not everyone will reap the rewards. First of all, it's difficult for me to imagine a unified government, allowing us just to be 'humans' and not 'Americans', 'Britains', 'Russians', etc. In addition to that, there will still be our economic systems, which results in clear class differences: upper, lower and middle. That said, I think the majority of technological advances will be enjoyed by the upper classes, the military, and the political elite. Additionally, I think that those who do go into space or make use of the technology will be divided into roughly three categories, based on how society currently works.

1) The Military/Politicals: It doesn't matter what country. You will have military out there, looking to expand their countries territory and secure whatever resources the moon or planet may or may not have, regardless of who or what already works there. I see this especially happening on planets with non-sentient life or sentient life that is of a lower intelligence than ours. I can see our own countries duking it out for territory, in addition to dealing with whatever other alien species may have a claim. I also see us fiercely protecting anything that is 'ours'. I imagine that we will try our hand and diplomacy with the races that suit us best, especially the Andalites. However, I think that eventually, as our technology surpasses theirs, the scales will tip in such a way that we will no longer become allies because the Andalites will not accept the humans being 'superior', and humans vice versa. I do see us getting along well with, and using effectively, the Skrit Na.

2) The Consumers: The rich and famous of Earth will be able to take advantage of prime real estate in the Hork-Bajir valleys, a vacation cruise on Leera, or visit a highly acclaimed Skrit Na zoo and see creatures from throughout the galaxy. For those who can afford it, the options are limitless. For those who can't afford it, they can always visit the new "Taxxon Hive" roller coaster ride at Disney World instead.

3) The Missionaries: Hey, no one likes spreading their ideals more than the religiously motivated. Religion has been a major factor in so many events in our history that I have to imagine there are those who will presume it their duty to 'spread the word' to those poor unsaved Andalites. Additionally, on the flip side, I see a lot of protests and debate as to aliens place on the religious spectrum (regardless of affiliation). I'm sure there will also be those haters that think all aliens will go to hell, or are devils or...something.

For those who are not rich enough to afford space travel, unwilling to join the military, and do not have the religious zeal to become a missionary, I don't think life will change very much. Rather, I think the only difference will be an improvement in the cable service (we can hope, right?). I do think that the black market will explode with Dracon Beams and other high-tech gear, possibly leading to a more dangerous life on Earth, especially in the cities. Can't imagine life changing much for Dorothy on her farm in Kansas, though.

Overall, I find it hard to picture humans as being the 'good guys' or the 'bad guys'. Yeah, I think it's more likely that we end up screwing things up, polluting other peoples planets and starting wars amongst ourselves and other species. I also think that there will be some scientists/diplomats who are genuinely interested in the exploration and education that can be gained from the situation. The bad typically outweighs the good, though.

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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2009, 09:42:29 PM »
I think all humanity needs is the morphing power and we're pretty much set for life lol
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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2009, 10:55:19 AM »
(sorry, I didn't read everything, I'm a little lazy... OK, I really very very lazy ^^')
I agree a lot with Acalio. The first word who came to my mind was: "dangerous". The Andalites, after a while, would understand how dangerous are the Humans. And finally there would probably be a war or Andalites would stop exchange with the Humans. Like they do with their other big enemy.
Humans are curious, they'd go far and farer and farer... Humans create a lot, so they'd probably invent many new things before the Andalites (who then become jealous and angry, of course ^^). Humans destroy also a lot... So you can imagine.
Andalites would probably miss the Yeerks, after all ^^'
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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2009, 01:31:58 PM »
so whos writing the fanfic where 5 andalite teenagers and 1 hork bajir team up to stop the human invasion of the andalite homeworld?

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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2009, 04:17:30 PM »
so whos writing the fanfic where 5 andalite teenagers and 1 hork bajir team up to stop the human invasion of the andalite homeworld?
lol Good idea ;)
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Re: Humans of the future
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2009, 11:22:40 PM »
Yeh, I think humans are potentially and justifiably more evil and dangerous than the yeerks. think about it - why did the yeerks do what they did i.e. conquering other races in the first place? cuz they want host bodies cuz they didn't have proper bodies. Its inevitably understandable that an intelligent, sentient and self-aware creature would want to be able to see, hear, touch, move, smell etc. etc. basicly what we humans have naturally.

Now we humans, we have this naturally, and yet we still conquer and kill our own kind. at least the yeerks had a legitimate and understandable reason for their 'evil'. What was Hitlers reasons? oh, he just didn't like the jews cuz they were jews so he figured he'd just kill'em all? and other evil human leaders throughout history.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2009, 11:24:22 PM »
Yeh, I think humans are potentially and justifiably more evil and dangerous than the yeerks. think about it - why did the yeerks do what they did i.e. conquering other races in the first place? cuz they want host bodies cuz they didn't have proper bodies. Its inevitably understandable that an intelligent, sentient and self-aware creature would want to be able to see, hear, touch, move, smell etc. etc. basicly what we humans have naturally.

Now we humans, we have this naturally, and yet we still conquer and kill our own kind. at least the yeerks had a legitimate and understandable reason for their 'evil'. What was Hitlers reasons? oh, he just didn't like the jews cuz they were jews so he figured he'd just kill'em all? and other evil human leaders throughout history.

Wasn't it Ax who, more than once, commented on the evil that humans were capable of, and how the Yeerks were in over their heads? I think it's safe to say that humanity as a whole can be a hell of a lot more evil than the Yeerks.

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