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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2009, 03:21:15 PM »
edit: never mind. misread

as for the howler thing, I'm sure at least half (if not more) of you would disagree with me, but I personally feel Jake didn't morph howler because it was a sentient creature.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2009, 03:40:40 PM »
lol no actually that makes a lot of sense. I'm sure Cassie would complain very thoroughly about how the Howlers were not only sentient, but had been exploited enough.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2009, 05:13:55 PM »
well by disagree, I don't mean it's wrong. I mean it's not a very... acceptable, for lack of a better word.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2009, 05:29:57 PM »
No actually, I agree with you. It makes more sense. The same reason why Marco doesn't ever morph that janitor guy again.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2009, 05:35:42 PM »
Quote from: wolfev on October 28, 2009, 01:32:34 PM
Consider this, Lauren did not get her memory back when she morphed back. I don't think Animorph's really subscribes to genetic memory

For the most part no they don't, but the Howler's do have genetic memory and we know that for a fact. It's how Crayak made them.

The whole thing with Tobias seemingly having inherited small segments of Elfangor's memory is still potentially possible. You might think it strange that he hadn't unlocked these memories before if he'd had them all along, but just because he may have inherited genetic memories doesn't mean he instinctively remembered them. How many times have you "forgotten" something only to be reminded by the smallest of hints?
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2009, 05:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Spartan 281 (Parker) on October 28, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
No actually, I agree with you. It makes more sense. The same reason why Marco doesn't ever morph that janitor guy again.
marco morphed a janitor?
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2009, 05:56:31 PM »
I thought that whole thing was some Andalite folklore. Utzum was supposedly the generational gift granted to warriors who were about to die. But, like I said, Tobias had no genetic material inside his body to call upon Elfangor. He had Ax's DNA, and if Ax were going to experience utzum, then he'd call upon his father, not Elfangor.

So no, the general genetic memory thing is not impossible, but the fact that Tobias was greeted by Elfangor is highly implausible considering how it was described.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2009, 06:04:58 PM »
Quote from: anijen21 on October 28, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
... if Ax were going to experience utzum, then he'd call upon his father, not Elfangor.

Yes, but if Tobias were going to experience Utzum, wouldn't he call upon his father, Elfangor?
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2009, 06:20:12 PM »
Quote from: Spartan 281 (Parker) on October 28, 2009, 06:04:58 PM
Quote from: anijen21 on October 28, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
... if Ax were going to experience utzum, then he'd call upon his father, not Elfangor.

Yes, but if Tobias were going to experience Utzum, wouldn't he call upon his father, Elfangor?
depends. is it a spiritual or genetic thing? if it was genetic, tobias wouldn't call upon elfangor, but the human elfangor morphed into. and even if it was a new human created from the DNA of several others, tobias still wouldn't call on the andalite elfangor.

now if it was spiritual, it'd be a completely different story...
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2009, 06:39:36 PM »
Ah, good point there.

If it were genetic, he couldn't call upon anyone, huh?
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2009, 08:21:35 PM »
I take it to mean genetic

Quote from: The Illusion, p. 154
He started hesitantly. "A legend. A spiritual rite, really. Utzum. Certain medicine men believed they could pass memories through DNA. Legend says these memory messages are triggered by imminent death. A surge of strength during the last moments to ease their passage. Ancient superstition."

Why even mention DNA if it's not genetic? I mean, like most "explanations" in the books it's not entirely clear, but WHAT DNA?
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2009, 10:54:14 PM »
Quote from: Fwahm on October 28, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
Jake definately got the collective memory.

Quote from: morfowt on October 28, 2009, 03:21:15 PM
as for the howler thing, I'm sure at least half (if not more) of you would disagree with me, but I personally feel Jake didn't morph howler because it was a sentient creature.

Good points, both...

I am convinced, Fwahm... But I still don't think it should be possible...  :thumbsdown:
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2009, 03:47:37 PM »
Not impossible, just a bit unlikely. Besides, Ellimist and Crayak are lords of the impossible.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2009, 04:43:30 PM »
Yeah, they wipe afterwards with impossible ;D
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2009, 08:22:19 PM »
Really? I thought they wiped with the utterly unthinkable...  :-\

I'm so confused...  :(
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