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DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« on: October 28, 2009, 11:53:53 AM »
Since you're copying an animal, would their memories follow?

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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 11:55:19 AM »
No.
They addressed that with Hork Bajir and when they did other humans.
They never got memories. ( I don't know if it's proper to assume DNA carries memories in a cognitive sense. But then again how instinct is passed by DNA eludes me so :-\)
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 11:56:30 AM »
I believe it's just instincts. The Howlers are exceptions, because they have a collective mind ability. I also believe that awareness and sentience doesn't pass either, so comparing controlling a morph to what Yeerks do doesn't work.


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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 12:15:05 PM »
I agree that awareness and sentience doesn't transfer, and I don't think that memories from the animal you have morphed would be available to the you when you morph it...

Also, I don't think Howlers are an exception. Jake could sense the collective memory, but he couldn't access it... For instance, he couldn't see the memories of the Howlers that were there in Iskoort land with them... Or any memories from other Howler atrocities past... He got the children thing from the instinct... like, they were like dolphins, as far as playfulness is concerned...
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 12:21:11 PM »
So maybe Crayak just kept him from doing it? That would be plausable.


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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 12:35:19 PM »
Interesting point... I'll have to give it more thought...  :-\
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 12:49:51 PM »
I thought it was well established that they only get the creature's instincts, not its mind (in the case of sentient beings) or memories. The Howler Jake morphed was the exception to the rule because Howler's were designed by Crayak to have a genetic memory, which would obviously be passed along in their DNA.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 12:52:59 PM »
you know i was thinking maybe that is why Jake didn't morph teh Howler for battle.

Not that he was afraid of the collective mind though hive minds are scary the Howler didn't seem to have that kind of an intense mind like the ants or the termites did.
I think it was more about how Crayak is connected to his creations. He has the will to kill them as he wishes. If Jake turns into one he becomes fair game.

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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 12:58:51 PM »
Yeah, that was my theory as well. But how kick ass that morph would be if Crayak didn't have that kind of control, huh?

Although, technically, Crayak could wipe Jake away with a thought, it's the rules of the game that prevent him. So there goes that theory. :(
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 01:04:33 PM »
Sure Crayak had the power to erase Jake from existence, Howler morph or no Howler morph, but it's against the rules of the game. Even if he morphs the Howler, Jake is still Jake and therefore protected by the rules.

It's possible that he could no longer morph the Howler after returning home for the Iskoort world. Or maybe he just didn't think it was right after the difficult experience he had with the morph. The realisation that the Howler's were actually misguided children clearly affected him.
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 01:19:04 PM »
Damn those pesky morals, :) they get in the way of all of the fun. ;D
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 01:32:34 PM »
Consider this, Lauren did not get her memory back when she morphed back. I don't think Animorph's really subscribes to genetic memory
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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 01:48:34 PM »
I don't think Animorph's really subscribes to genetic memory

Except in book #33, when Tobias apparently inherited a few of his father's memories.  But then, it's never really explained whether those were Elfangor's real memories, or Tobias was just hallucinating.  Depends on how superstitious you are, I guess.

But, yeah, morphing and memories seem to be not connected to one another in any way.  Even when Rachel lost her memory due to an injury (bonking her head on a tree in Megamorphs #1), morphing didn't fix the problem.

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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 01:55:46 PM »
Like I've said in at least two other threads, morphing shouldn't pass any memories down. There are exceptions in the series that I would call KASUs, like in #1 and #2. Those get a pass since they were so early in the series.

The thing in #33 could have worked, but if it was REALLY going to be accurate, Tobias would have seen Ax's dad since the only Andalite DNA he had in his bloodstream was Ax's.

I believe Jake should have had access to the Howler collective memory when he morphed Howler, and they should have had access to his, thus making #26 about 50 pages shorter than it turned out to be, but, you know, whatever.

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Re: DNA Memories & Morphing Tech
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2009, 02:51:02 PM »
And then I felt something I had never felt before. Some strange part of
the Howler brain, like an extra sense. My brain had tapped into a pool
of awareness, of knowledge.
Rapid, dizzying flashes of memory. Horrifying images of slaughter,
violence. Not just the Graffen's Children. But species after species.
Planet after planet. I was getting the full, horrific imagery that Erek
had absorbed in a different way.
But this was worse. This wasn't someone else's memory. This was my own.
It was part of me.
And through it all, the massacre of Graffen's Children, the slaughter of
the Mashtimee, the Ron, the Nostnavay, and yes, the Pemalites, the
Howlers felt no anger, no rage.


No one said anything till I was done. And when I was done, I opened my
Howler mind to the collective memory that linked them all.
I searched for the memories we had played for the Howler. I looked in
the great memory pool for some memory of what had occurred on the
Iskoort planet. Nothing. Some memory of us, of five humans and an
Andalite and a Chee and Guide. But there was nothing.  No. Not nothing!
Sifting through the collective memory, through the unbroken chain of
horror, I caught a single fugitive image, like a few seconds of film.
Just the picture of Cassie running to me, and our arms and lips and . . .



Jake definately got the collective memory.