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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2009, 10:07:57 PM »
I'm not sure Jake shared the Howler's collective memory... If he had, then they could have just dumped all the memories into Jake while he was in Howler morph... They wouldn't have had to risk another encounter just to subdue one of the real Howlers...

But that just leads to a whole other conversation on just how much like the real thing the Animorphs were in morph... Did they retain their own minds? Their spirits? Clearly, when they morphed bugs, they weren't as dumb as bugs...

So... Just how much of the Howler's mind did Jake's morph have? Just the instinct? Surely not the memories...
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2009, 10:23:00 PM »
I think a morph's brain has no more than instincts, but Howlers have instant hive mind with other Howlers. He'd be able to gain memories from other Howlers, which is why Crayak kills Howlers that fail.
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2009, 10:32:53 PM »
But that's what I'm wondering... If he had the instant Howler hive mind, why weren't his memories in the collective Howler memory when he morphed it? And why couldn't they dump all of their memories into him in Howler morph? Wouldn't that have been a lot easier?
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2009, 12:27:12 AM »
lol that was my one big problem with the book.

I think you're totally right. The way the Howler collective mind was established, Jake's memories would have been dumped into their consciousness the second he completed his morph. All of that nonsense about buying memories and loading it into the cylinder and plunking it on the Howler's head was filler as far as I'm concerned.

All the same, I think #26 might very well be the best-plotted book of the series.
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2009, 02:10:57 AM »
Yeah that is the only thing i think that would make Jake not use teh morph I think he was afraid that teh Howler hive memories will dump into his brain. Than again didn't what he did in 26# make Crayak kill off teh Howlers so there wouldn't be a hive mind.
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2009, 02:36:17 AM »
He killed off the Howlers on the planet that they were on. But he still used them. Remember the Ellimist telling them that the Howlers try to hug the next race they encounter?

And didn't the memory link work on Jake when he first realized that they were children? Or was that just him feeling the child-like instincts?
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2009, 02:44:51 AM »
I guess yeah i dno why i thought Crayak killed them after they did the kissing XD..( cause if i was him i would have XD) I think Jake only felt the instincts but he was never clear on that so can't say that 100%
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2009, 09:10:55 AM »
It was stated quite explicitly that Jake felt the collective memory while he was in Howler Morph.

However, due to the way the collective memory works, when Jake morphed Howler, his memories would not be added to the collection.  The only things that would be added were things that he would actually experience in that morph.
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2009, 11:10:38 AM »
In that case, my question remains... Why not just put the memories into Jake while he was in Howler morph?
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2009, 11:44:05 AM »
Because his previous memories are already in his head, you can't put memories from one person back into their own head.
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2009, 06:43:22 PM »
or maybe they just didn't think of that... that's always possible...
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2009, 06:58:12 PM »
Or it's just too easy. KAA wanted cool and complicated
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2009, 11:44:48 PM »
Bah! I'm gonna hold firm... I don't think that Jake could actually access the Howlers' collective memories... I think he just sensed that it was there... like instinct... Just like he couldn't access Homer's memories the first time he morphed him... but he could still tell that dogs have memories...
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2009, 11:58:20 PM »
I'm with you about the Howler stuff. Their collective memories are a physical trait. Like thought-speech is a physical Andalite trait.

Homer's memories, and Fluffer McKitty's memories, however, are not. And I think the fact that Jake and Rachel could sense them in the first two books are actually sort of a KASU.
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Re: Battle morphs.
« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2009, 01:51:59 PM »
When did they attain the animal's memories? I don't remember that.
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