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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2009, 02:57:25 PM »
I don't believe that stuff about being completely destroyed by war. In the least, not completely. Vastly affected, yes. But not completely.

However, I like what you said Think, about how twisted everything is. Jake liked the war. He liked Cassie. However, as much as bringing them together would be great, he liked Cassie more than he craved being together.

The reason so many people hate the ending is because it relates to real life. People read these things to escape and be fascinated, not to be reminded of what reality is like.

The ending is like the end of high school, where you knew nothing would EVER be the same. And no matter how many times you come back together and try to relive those memories you can't. You become trapped in an ever more glorious past. That's why its so sad about the Animorphs. Without the war, they were just inclined to stick to memories. And when the opportunity came to relive those memories (even though it wouldn't be the same), they wanted to.

As far as relationships that are created under tension I think I understand. I had a semi-relationship with someone who I was told not to have one with, and that was all our relationship was based on. Once the rules were gone, it was no fun anymore!
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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2009, 11:56:41 PM »
All of what you've said makes sense Think. But you know the last line? It was a fiction series. It wasn't always true to how the world works. Why is it that in the end, she had to be so damn true to how war works out? Sure, let them end fighting, let them end locked in a deadly struggle as always, but for heaven's sake, let them be doing it as they always did - together. It didn't end with 5, it ended with 3!

Bah, I know.. I'm being irrational. I just feel she could've given a teensy less bit of painful ending. And killed Marco instead :P
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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2009, 11:58:28 PM »
or......Cassie,,,,
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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2009, 05:57:50 AM »
nnooooooo marco and cassie it wouldent have been so bad. the group could have eventualy got over it.

by killing of rachal applegate essencialy cut off tobias from any hope of a normal life.
but what i would have changed is id tobias and rachal had died togeather. sorry its mushy but it would have made the ending better i think.


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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2009, 09:20:58 AM »
If she wanted to essentially end Tobias' life, then why not just kill him off? First and last casualty of the war, so to speak. Or kill off Cassie for the sake of irony. Cassie dies because of the decision she made in book 50. That's pretty ironic.


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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2009, 09:41:28 AM »
yeah. Jake doesn't need her.
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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2009, 09:44:24 AM »
 jake went into a depression after the trial... if he was still with cassie whould she have let that happen?
yeah. Jake doesn't need her.
jake went into a depression after the trial... if he was still with cassie whould she have let that happen?

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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2009, 09:55:47 AM »
She's the one that left him, remember. She left him because he changed, but how could he not have changed. They all changed.

She betrayed him, then she left him. I feel for him that he still cares for her, though. I think she probably still cared for him too. It's a little sad, but she's the one to blame for not being there for him. If she had died, it wouldn't have been very different. Jake would still be depressed, and Cassie would still be absent from the Ax rescue mission.


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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2009, 09:58:22 AM »
i can find no flaw in that logic.. how annoying ;D

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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2009, 10:03:26 AM »
AHA!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2009, 11:59:09 AM »
Man, I love that theory. Im gonna do some memory modification and stick with Cassie dying. Even KA should be happy cuz there's enough irony there.  She has effectively killed off Tobias, Ax and Cassie anyway. As long as they weren't there in the end during the last battle, they weren't 'alive' at all to me. And Tobias was always my favourite, just before Ax :(
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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2009, 12:03:14 PM »
Tobias is also my favorite animorph cuz he reacts exactley like i would in that situation...

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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2009, 12:07:45 PM »
how could cassie do that? the only reason i can see is because she was hurt herself, and decided to launch a pre-emptive strike. though that seems more like a guy thing to do.
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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2009, 12:38:15 PM »
I'm not sure how Cassie would die. I'm just saying it would be ironic if she died similarly to Rachel, given that Rachel's death is partly because of her. So her dying due to her decision to let Tom's yeerk get away would be ironic.


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Re: Thoughts in the End
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2009, 06:14:19 PM »
I don't think Cassie would have been able to outright kill Tom though. She'd flinch, and she'd be killed instantly, and her battle morph is a fraction the size of Rachel's. I still think Rachel was the best choice to die based on what I said before. I say most people here want Cassie to have been the one because she's the least liked in general.
Everyone just wanted to have seen Tobias happy in his meadow with Rachel, Jake and Cassie married, and Marco living the good life.

It doesn't happen that way when you put teenagers through a world-shattering war. It's not a "good" war like WWII, it was a vicious moral battle all along the way. (Even WWII was horrible for a lot of people in it) I will say the end did not satisfy me, but only based on the fact it was short, had a lack of detail, and had a rushed feel to it. It was well planned however, and I don't flat out disagree with it. I would have liked a little less of a cliffhanger, though.

There's a million other fiction books out there that end in a sappy and happy ending. That's why I like Animorphs, it's fairly close to what real people would do in thost situations.

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