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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Yarin on August 05, 2008, 12:17:02 AM
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I was just bored and got to thinking about the different levels of telepathy in the animorphs universe (don't ask me why)
Like the leerans, and andalites and others let me know what you all think
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This thread should be in Animorphs topic... ^_^'
I think what she said in the books:
- Andalites give words/informations by through-speak
- Leeran read in mind and give informations by telepathy
- whales give informations by telepathy and songs or something like that...
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I think garatron telepathy is similar to andalites, only faster words/info.
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Yeah, I agree for Garatrons. I forgot them lol
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Oh, man. I hated reading the Garatron sometimes. He just talked waaay too fast for me to be able to read at my normal pace. I had to actually stop and think. :o
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there's also helmacron telepathy, iskoort telepathy, and mecora telepathy.
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I wish KA had gone into more detail on what Elfangor did to Tobias in book 1. You know where he put his hand on his head and gave Tobias an information burst which told him about the Yeerk Pool? It would've be cool to see Ax do that, or at least mention it. It's never mentioned after book one.
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I wish KA had gone into more detail on what Elfangor did to Tobias in book 1. You know where he put his hand on his head and gave Tobias an information burst which told him about the Yeerk Pool? It would've be cool to see Ax do that, or at least mention it. It's never mentioned after book one.
It may just have been another idea that was dropped after #1, like the fact that Jake could thought-speak to Tobias while he was still human.
I agree though, it would've been interesting to see if it had stuck in the series, especially if all Andalites and the Animorphs were able to project images as well as words in thought-speak to others.
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Do they ever clarify if Ax could thought-speak while in human morph? I don't recall but you would think so as it is a morph, human mouth not-withstanding.
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Yes, Ax can thought-speak in human morph, because it is just like any other morph. Whenever someone returns to their natural body, they use whatever communication they would normally use. Because Andalites can naturally use thought-speak, they can use it in and out of morph. However, the regular Animorphs can only use it when they are in morph.
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Have we forgotten the telepathy between Yeerk and Host?
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Yes, Ax can thought-speak in human morph, because it is just like any other morph. Whenever someone returns to their natural body, they use whatever communication they would normally use. Because Andalites can naturally use thought-speak, they can use it in and out of morph. However, the regular Animorphs can only use it when they are in morph.
Thanks, just couldn't recall
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Yes, Ax can thought-speak in human morph, because it is just like any other morph. Whenever someone returns to their natural body, they use whatever communication they would normally use. Because Andalites can naturally use thought-speak, they can use it in and out of morph. However, the regular Animorphs can only use it when they are in morph.
but in #8 he says he can't. and in #33 he does. so whether can or can't is debatable.
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Perhaps KA simply changed her mind? Like in #8 she was trying to keep with the idea that Humans can't use thought speech, but then realised that since Ax is actually an Andalite in morph, there is no reason why he wouldn't be able to use thought speech.
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However, the regular Animorphs can only use it when they are in morph.
Except Tobias, who can do it in Hawk, his base form. And also in his human morph, though I'm not certain if they ever showed him doing so.
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well, I don't know if he can, maybe in #47. I'll have to check. however he couldn't in #23 because he used signals to say ok and danger, instead of thought-speaking.
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well, I don't know if he can, maybe in #47. I'll have to check. however he couldn't in #23 because he used signals to say ok and danger, instead of thought-speaking.
Maybe that was just in case the government were listening in (he'd have stood out a little wearing a tinfoil hat!) ;D
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However, the regular Animorphs can only use it when they are in morph.
Except Tobias, who can do it in Hawk, his base form. And also in his human morph, though I'm not certain if they ever showed him doing so.
Tobias' condition is an anomaly in itself. Nobody has ever gotten their morphing powers back after turning into a Nothlit, so things are bound to be different for him. I'd guess that the reason why he can use thought-speak in his 'natural' hawk form is that it was originally a morph, and because he ended up staying that way, he can always use it like Ax, in an out of morph.
Because of this, Tobias should technically also be able to use thought-speak when he morphs a human, but for some reason K.A never went any further with this. It seems like she changed her mind on a lot of things and had a hard time keeping track of everything (who could blame her?)
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wow my topic is popular anyway as a member of a telepathic species myself (the Nyac) I am a class 4 telepath able to receive and project thoughts and emotions
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Yay! I'm not the only alien in the boards!
I'm not particularly telepathic, but I can predict the moods and actions of people who are near to me. Once I brought my Mum a glass of water before she asked. :)
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You're just one heck of a people person :P!
Ax and Tobias wouldn't use thought-speak in human morph because, well, why would they? They can just say it! Unless, of course, they're being communicated to in thought-speak and can't speak for attracting unwanted attention.
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wow my topic is popular anyway as a member of a telepathic species myself (the Nyac) I am a class 4 telepath able to receive and project thoughts and emotions
Neat! I would be delighted if you could prove it to me; I want to believe in telepathy but I'm too rational to take your word for it. Can you read my mind from there?
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Not yet but in five of your years when i enter the Narcon-Gleesh I will be able to.
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(Oh, my. He's nearly as persistant as I am! This shall be most amusing, I suspect. :))
I am quite curious to know just how many people here believe in the possibility of telepathy.
I have seen and heard enough strange happenings to be undecided on the matter.
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Yay! I'm not the only alien in the boards!
Really? what species are you? maybe we can create a think tank and travel the multiverse solving problems... for a price. mwha ha ha.
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>:D
I'm the humanoid embodiment of the mind of a sentient star. There is a thread (Ask Estelore!) for anything you wish to discuss. Let's please get ourselves back on-topic, now. :)
As I was saying earlier, who here does and does not believe in the existence of telepathy?
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I believe it exists, just not on earth...yet.
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there are other forms of telepathy such as claravoyance which is seeing beyond linear time and pre/retrocognision which is seeing into the past and future all these things technically count as telepathy
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Don't forget clairaudience (hearing beyond) and claircognizance (simply 'knowing' things, without being told or hearing it).
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I believe in it, I just wish I had it! :P
I still think that one day humans will evolve super powers like telepathy, hehe
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anyone remember the series John Doe that guy knew everything exept his identity, sounds like claircognizance mixed with amnesia.
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I believe in it, I just wish I had it! :P
I still think that one day humans will evolve super powers like telepathy, hehe
That belief is actually gaining ground in light of all this 2012 stuff. "Apocalypse" actually means "pulling back the veil". One school of thought believes that the world will come to some great, mind-altering revelation in that year. (just passing on the theory)
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oh don't talk about the appoalypse, now im all worried lol
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Sorry, my bad :-X
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from what i understand there are 6 levels of mental powers
level 6 is the weakest level 1 is very powerful.
level 6 abilities include all psionics and very low level empaths.
Psionics is a low level mental link to exchange images and sounds. It doesn't rank up with a telepath's powers, as it is comparatively weak in proportion, but it is functional.
Level 5, 4, and 3 are tele/empaths of varing strengths
level 2's where it gets interesting in addition they have all forms of cognition and all forms of elemental mental control and telekinesis
level 1's have all the abilities of level 2 but also clairvoyance/auditory omniscience illusion making abilities and mind control/hypnosis, and teleportation. (note i made the number system up don't get all mad at me over this.)
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I wish KA had gone into more detail on what Elfangor did to Tobias in book 1. You know where he put his hand on his head and gave Tobias an information burst which told him about the Yeerk Pool? It would've be cool to see Ax do that, or at least mention it. It's never mentioned after book one.
i think it was one of those things she did in number 1 and then decided not to do again in the rest of the books but ive always wondered about that
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I wish KA had gone into more detail on what Elfangor did to Tobias in book 1. You know where he put his hand on his head and gave Tobias an information burst which told him about the Yeerk Pool? It would've be cool to see Ax do that, or at least mention it. It's never mentioned after book one.
Yeah! I've wondered about this once, too.
They must have used technological devices to augment their telepathic abilities. The Andalite military has their internal clock/compass gizmo and what was the deal with the Mirrowave call again?
Wish these things were more elaborated.
The Andalites definately have a deep understanding of telepathic communication.
They've obviously learnt to incorporate this form of communication onto their technologies. Their computer systems function in thought-speak language and the Escafil device can transfer this telepathic ability along with the power to morph.
This is why Ax and Alloran are capable of communicating normally without the use of the human mouth and its also why I don't think the Anirmophs should have been retained the ability to thought-speak when in their proper physical bodies. It wouldnt make sense.
I've wodered how the Andalites live back home. I picture them evolved from herds, so a lot of grazing would still be a part of their routines, except this would involve a lot of running activities.
Evolution did not give them a mouth, thus killing the whole dairy thing associated with grazers. But they developed telepathy through thought-speech communication. And considering technologies they've designed, such as the 'thought-speech-interfaced' computers and mirrorwave calls, (heck, even some of their flora has a limited level of telepathy), I would say telepathy is a BIG CHARACTERISTIC of their lifestyle.
This ability seems to match their like for open spaces. It would enable them to communicate normally over fair distances. I can imagine members of their respective families in the distances of their Garibba trees, living together, yet, here and there; not needing to be right next to each other in order to be a 'living together'.
It brings the question of how big their scoops are. I only pictured them using the scoops for sleeping and such. ALSO, I cannot imagine the Andalites NOT DESIGNING some sort of roofing for rain cover and warmth at night. Unless humidity is not a problem in the air over there. A scoop that is a mere hole on the ground seems a bit peculiar to me.
I believe the Leerans have the deepest level of telepathy, by far. Sadly, it wasn't explored much in the series, for it would be unethical to go around morphing a Leeran in this war they were fighting (what, there are so much better ways to identify a Controller, taking turns watching them 24hrs for 3 days, not withstanding at all ;)). But I think the Yeerks in a way use telepathic communication within a host's brain. And on a level par with the Leerans, by being in sync with the host's brain, they have access to everything that host has had. So, they are correct when they say that the host becomes an extension of themselves.
PS: It is also my opinion that thought-speak communication was a little overused in the series. Too many aliens were using it and it's kind of an easy way out to the early established fact that Gallard was meant to be most common of the outerspace languages. In fact, I think only the Yeerks used the language in the series, go figure.
Say one thing for the Yeerks, they are mostly evil-helpless-party-poop-spreading-eclectic-scavengers, but they sure are versatile slugs.
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I'm continuing to make the role playing game about Animorphs... and thought about the thought-speak and telepathy...
Now, with what you said, Gafrash, I'm not very sure I'll put thought-speak to Iskoorts and Helmacrons (I think I won't put Mecoras in the role playing game...).
And Gallard is also a problem... not a big one but...
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What's the simplest spectrum we could possibly group them?
What were the species of telepathic capacity again?!
High Level (The total psyche: persona, emotions, memory, skills, telepathic-speech): Leerans. Ellimist? Cryak? Drode?
Medium Level (Persona: memory, skills, personality): Yeerks.
Complex Low-Level (Open and Private thought-speech communication): Andalites.
Simple Low-Level (Thought-speech-only): Helmacrons, Garatrons, Iskoorts, Mercora,
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I believe it exists, just not on earth...yet.
I know it exists on Earth and beyond. On Earth it is most common amongst twins but it is possible for regular people to learn it with practice. As for the aliens here, did i ever say I was human? But I'm not alien either. At the moment I look human and act human (most of the time) but I once tried to morph cat after petting one of mine and I couldn't move my thumb. I felt a chill go through my body and felt... something. I'm still trying to figure out what. I don't know if I'm a very special human or a part alien part human or what but I am not remotely a normal pre-teen. Did I mention when ever I try to morph it comes so close... so, so close. I know something is happening to me. I may keep you posted on me. But if I become an animorph and Yeerks do exist, then I will not notify anyone.
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Good, Gafrash ^^ Maybe I'll use your levels of telepathy. Thanks ^^
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As much as I'd love to talk about subjective sanity and objective perceptions, I would be loath to call a kettle black.
...still, and all...
There is a fine line between loving a series and attempting to live it. Good luck with that, T-Fan. Maybe we shall see each other some day in Arkham. ;)
Don't get stuck as a cat.
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*caliope music plays* :P ;)
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As much as I'd love to talk about subjective sanity and objective perceptions, I would be loath to call a kettle black.
...still, and all...
There is a fine line between loving a series and attempting to live it. Good luck with that, T-Fan. Maybe we shall see each other some day in Arkham. ;)
Don't get stuck as a cat.
HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Gold!
I guess there's 'different levels' to ani-fanatics, as well.
*maniacally winks and nods at the Batman reference.*
MWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHAHAHAhahahahahaha hahahahahah!!!
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Yes, I suppose that there are.
Thanks, Gafrash. ;)
When I was a tyke, I was pretty convinced that the animorphs were real, but I had a hard time believing the reality of the Yeerks, so logic eventually forced me to realise that, without Yeerks, why have animorphs? Sad moment, but powerful. It showed me that evil's sole purpose for existence was to define goodness.
WOOHOO!! ;D
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Tobias' condition is an anomaly in itself. Nobody has ever gotten their morphing powers back after turning into a Nothlit, so things are bound to be different for him. I'd guess that the reason why he can use thought-speak in his 'natural' hawk form is that it was originally a morph, and because he ended up staying that way, he can always use it like Ax, in an out of morph.
Because of this, Tobias should technically also be able to use thought-speak when he morphs a human, but for some reason K.A never went any further with this. It seems like she changed her mind on a lot of things and had a hard time keeping track of everything (who could blame her?)
Well, no, she showed him using thoughtspeak in human morph. In The Resistance when he morphed to human to go with Jake to try to get the Trekkie campers to go away. While they were speaking, Tobias was making comments to Jake in thoughtspeak:
"Tobias and I had other business. I morphed,
and together we flew out of range of the construction
below. It was a short flight to the campsite.
We were careful to land far enough away so
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that no one would see us demorph and morph in
Tobias's case.
Then we walked toward the brightly colored
tents. Thank God we could finally morph some
halfway decent clothes, the result of a whole lot
of experience. Boys in T-shirts and jeans generally
look a lot saner than boys in spandex.
We approached the campsite. A tall kid with
glasses spotted us first.
"Hi," he said.
"Hey," I answered.
Then we just stood there.
<Jake? Fearless leader? Do you have a plan,
or are you just going to smile and look stupid in
our morphing outfits?> Tobias said privately.
"Just be cool. I'll handle it," I whispered.
"I'm Jake," I said to the tall kid.
"Lewis Carpenter. I've had blisters for five
days."
"Huh. Bummer."
An adult stuck his head out of a tent. The guy
who had sighted me in his binoculars. "What are
you two boys doing so far out in the woods?" he
asked, stepping outside. "Where's your equipment?"
<Good question, Jake.>
"We're camped on the ridge," I said easily,
More silence and staring. This was getting
ridiculous.
"Look," I said. "We came to tell you we all
have to get out of here. We just met a ranger and
he told us the park is closed. There's a huge
storm coming this way. Guy said they're predicting
straight-line winds and tons of snow, enough
to strand us all. Everyone's got to pack up and
get out of the area before sundown."
A girl stood up from the group of kids sitting
around the campfire and came closer to us. She
was maybe Tom's age.
"It never snows this early in the year."
"Yeah, I know," I said quickly. "That's what's
so dangerous about this storm. No one's prepared.
I mean, who's gonna have cold-weather
gear? Right?"
The girl grinned.
"I'll be fine. I hiked Mount McKinley."
"Emily, Lewis?" The adult binocular guy. "Let
me handle this."
<They're not buying it,> Tobias said privately.
"Frostbite is bad news," I said, trying to
sound all serious and worried.
"Look," said binocular guy, "you boys need to
learn a thing or two about hikers' etiquette. People
need to trust one another in the wilderness.
You don't make up stories just to get someone
else's campsite.""
(Book 47: The Resistance, pg 68-70; RAF-scanned ebook)
Yeah! I've wondered about this once, too.
They must have used technological devices to augment their telepathic abilities. The Andalite military has their internal clock/compass gizmo and what was the deal with the Mirrowave call again?
Wish these things were more elaborated.
I never understood the internal clock thing to be a military device...I always took it to be a natural trait of the Andalite brain (being able to keep almost perfect time internally) that related to their natural superiority to humans in mathematics.
As far as the mirrorwave call, vice-versa. I used to assume it was some sort of mind-over-matter technique to amplify a short duration of thought speak. But now I would assume it's some sort of device that does the same thing.
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Tobias SHOULD be able to thought-speak in human-morph. But then, if the red-tailed hawk is his new locked form, shouldn't he have lost his thought speak ability?
Perhaps this could just be a nothlit quirk...
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i think he can/should.
maybe he just doesn't realize it? KASU?