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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2013, 11:17:14 AM »
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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2013, 12:52:08 PM »
LMAO.

on so many levels, it's exactly what i wanted to say.

edit: i say "kidnapped". you can tell i'm subconsciously willing all of the animorphs to be alive and happy and RAINBOWS AND PONIES AND S*.
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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2013, 04:41:11 PM »
haha, no but I read your whole thoughts on it. while reading it I thought you worded everything perfectly and I understood what you were trying to get across. So I agree with many of your points (like how you said we can't be totally sure what Katmike's intents were for the ending, whether benevolent or malicious). And I understood how you ended up at neutral. But well thought out. I had never considered all those points you made.
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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2013, 09:43:59 PM »
haha- thank you! :) for both reading it and responding.

it doesn't happen often, but i was glad that i managed to get my thoughts out in a coherent manner (and in a way that i can still stomach to read a few hours later). it doesn't read at all like my first attempt at tackling the subject. ...which, if anyone goes back about 10? pages in my post history to read it, sounds like i had an enormous stick up my a*. ....which might've been the case. it's hard to tell, three years later. xD

anyway. thank god for work and my experienced seniors; i wouldn't know a damn thing about people otherwise. anyway, one of the things that i've learned from a well-seasoned coworker (that i've seen good evidence of myself) is that people rarely do anything intentionally maliciously. (unintentionally? well, i won't vouch for anyone's intelligence or common sense.) but even when they seemingly stab you in the back, they're not doing it against you, but rather to deflect trouble to anywhere other than themselves. (and few cultures lift martyrs up. if someone sees that trouble's coming, does s/he just lay down and take it?) i don't condone the "weaseling out" approach to life, but i accept that few people know better ways to tackle the problems that they just don't want to touch.

anyway. huge, preachy tangent done; inner cassie is back in her closet.


i won't rule "they hate us" out. katmike could secretly be chuckling at us over their morning coffee. "those crazy kids," they might be saying, "still hanging on to that old series of ours, eh? are they gonna grow up any time soon? i thought for sure that ending would throw them off."


....but i doubt it. :D
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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2013, 09:57:02 PM »

i won't rule "they hate us" out. katmike could secretly be chuckling at us over their morning coffee. "those crazy kids," they might be saying, "still hanging on to that old series of ours, eh? are they gonna grow up any time soon? i thought for sure that ending would throw them off."


....but i doubt it. :D

Lol see, I cant help who I am.  I assume the worst.  That seems like them, to me. 

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I read your post as well, but the subject hits me in the childhoods.  Honestly, I'm tired of thinking about it.  I would have been so satisfied with more characterization and less Kelbrid. 

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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2013, 11:01:51 PM »

i won't rule "they hate us" out. katmike could secretly be chuckling at us over their morning coffee. "those crazy kids," they might be saying, "still hanging on to that old series of ours, eh? are they gonna grow up any time soon? i thought for sure that ending would throw them off."


....but i doubt it. :D

Lol see, I cant help who I am.  I assume the worst.  That seems like them, to me. 

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I read your post as well, but the subject hits me in the childhoods.  Honestly, I'm tired of thinking about it.  I would have been so satisfied with more characterization and less Kelbrid.
well, then, i echo my thanks to you. :)

snipers shoot me if i lie- and i won't feel bad if you say that you don't want to answer (or simply don't answer), but i'm genuinely curious: do you assume the worst of people because you're malicious yourself or because people tend to screw you over? i find that one or the other is usually the source of negative accusations. if i'm wrong in this case, though, then i'm dying to know, because it helps me understand people better.

anywhos. i won't knock your feelings. generally, i disapprove of things that screw with childhood memories. xD i had so few good ones that anything marring them peeves me a little. animorphs, however, was something that made some very good childhood memories for me, so i find it hard to dislike it/them, despite everything. :)


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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2013, 11:18:42 PM »
Yeah, same here, actually, and I think I may have given the wrong impression in my post. Any negative feelings I have towards the ending of the series are less along the lines of 'actual malice' and more along the lines of 'vague disappointment.' I am fairly certain I heard somewhere that it was actually the authors' choice to end the series, and it was the original authors writing the last two books (which speaks wonders for the case of "they don't hate us" :P Not sure what could actually give the impression that they did). As you've pointed out to me, it could have been far worse-- it could have been ended at the behest of Scholastic, entirely by disinterested ghostwriters, so I suppose I should be counting my blessings there.

In fact, maybe I'll go do just that.

Don't misread my high expectations and subsequent disappointment as any genuine negative emotion directed towards the series, which still holds as one of my favorite series of all time. If anything, I think it says a lot that my expectations WERE so high :P

Crap... which now throws my entire worldview into doubt. See, I tend to like everyone and everything, but now I'm wondering if that's just because of my rock-bottom expectations about life...

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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2013, 07:57:14 AM »
:)

yeap. well, i personally didn't read too much negativity into your post; i thought that it was worded quite well, actually.

and i was either consciously or subconsciously exaggerating a bit. i'd only reread my response to this particular topic in another thread from 2010 like, a couple of days ago and points of contention were still fresh in my mind. so my emphasis of "they hate us" is a bit like my asking "exactly how far do folks want to take the 'this sucks! katmike suck!' argument?" it was, perhaps, intended to head a vague and generic audience of "people" off at the pass, so to speak.

...especially since i don't think that's really the issue. as you put it: blessings. it could have been so much worse. but they did do a fantastic job of raising our hopes for an epic, spectacular, and perfect ending. xD
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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2013, 08:10:14 AM »
I would say mostly 'being screwed over' with a dash of 'malice.'  I can't help but feel it isn't exactly unwise to assume that people are at their worst sometimes.  I would rather be proven wrong and find that people are actually good.  Its a better feeling then the opposite. 

I want to make something clear though, I'm not loosing any sleep over the ending of Animorphs lol.  I'm passionate about discussing it because that it just how I am. 

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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2013, 10:50:40 AM »
It's interesting because out of my siblings I seem to be the only one that gives the benefit of the doubt. All my siblings assume the worst in people. wonder why that is.

ANYWAY, back on topic... lol
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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2013, 11:53:07 PM »
I wouldn't have wanted a happy go lucky springtime and flowers ending either, but some people seem to think you have to have one extreme or another.
So I know I'm quoting a really old post, but THIS.  Exactly this.

It would have been nice for everything to be all sunshine and rainbows, but it's a war.  So I see the point in Applegate wanting a death of one of the main characters.  However, I was particularly peeved to have so many things unresolved in the end (particularly Jake and Cassie's relationship)...and the only one presumed to live on past 19 is Cassie.

Rachel was sort of the obvious choice to die, but the manner of her death was just completely wrong.  I still don't understand exactly why she was supposed to kill Tom.  I get that she was supposed to kill him to stop him from destroying the pool ship, but there were many Yeerks aboard the ship who could've easily done the deed they knew Tom was planning to do.  Everything just ended terribly.

If anything, I think Jake would've been the best choice for the one to die.  There's something (bear with me) "poetic" about the leader and the one who we first met to be the one to die in the end.  And although Crayak is evil, it would be interesting to see him get his revenge.  (Obviously he gets his revenge sometime after the "cliffhanger," but we never actually see it happen.)  He has likely been orphaned anyway because his parents probably died in all of the destruction.  It would make a brilliant tragedy that wouldn't leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths if written correctly.  The rest of the Animorphs would be hurt in the end, but they would live on.

The one that would "benefit" most from this ending would be Tobias.  It pained me to see him go through so much tragedy in his life, only to have the one he loved most ripped away from him.  He just got royally screwed and never seemed to have a good life.  Were Rachel to have survived, he could likely finally find happiness as a human.
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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2013, 10:23:24 AM »
She was supposed to kill Tom as a mercy killing. Since he couldn't be rescued, he was better off dead than enslaved. there's this theme of free or dead, but the Anis don't usually subscribe to it much. Jake didn't want Tom to become the next Eva, being taken away from his home to be some Yeerk puppet.


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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2013, 01:34:46 PM »
She was supposed to kill Tom as a mercy killing. Since he couldn't be rescued, he was better off dead than enslaved. there's this theme of free or dead, but the Anis don't usually subscribe to it much. Jake didn't want Tom to become the next Eva, being taken away from his home to be some Yeerk puppet.

No, I don't think that's why he did it.  He's not the type of person to purposely have one of his team killed solely in order to perform yet another killing.  It seems like she was supposed to somehow stop them from getting away and stop them from destroying the pool ship (in addition to performing the mercy killing), but I have no idea why he thought that would work.

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Re: Ram the Blade Ship?
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2013, 02:08:40 PM »
There wasn't really a good reason to send only one person to the blade ship. She did destroy the weapons system, so thta may have been part of the mission as well. I don't think he intended for rachel to die. He just didn't send anyone with her, and the only real reason for that was because KAA wanted things to happen a certain way.



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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2013, 03:51:23 PM »
As soon as I read "ram the blade ship" I literally cried and even though I had not actually read all the books, I gave up on "there is a point to reading Animorphs". It was on a pdf eBook. I want a fanfic where it REALLY DOES "end with five" instead of only Tobias and Cassie being alive at the actual end. I am not sure this belongs in this thread. I NEED A FANFIC WHERE THE COVER IS NOT LYING!!!!!!!