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KASU repairs
« on: January 14, 2012, 10:39:44 AM »
Whenever I see a KASU, my first instinct is always to try to fix it.  So I wondered if, by combining the powers of all the minds of RAF, we could fix close to all of them!  Post any KASU that you either want somebody to fix, or have your own fix for, here.

Unfortunately I have to say 'close to' all of them, because there are some that simply cannot be fixed, like Jake's thought-speak in book 1, and the time that Mr. King thought-spoke.

I'll start off with a few that I have fixed in the past:

KASU: Kafit birds are said to have six wings in #18, but six pairs of wings in TAC.
Fix: Kafit birds have six 'main' wings, used for propulsion through the air, and six smaller 'steering' wings.  Thus, both can be correct.

KASU: Elfangor doesn't morph to save himself from his injuries in book #1.
Fix: The Ellimist didn't give his morphing powers back when he restored Elfangor's Andalite body, to keep him from trapping himself as a human again.

And a new one I just thought of!

KASU: When Jake and David touch the morphing cube for the first time, nothing happens, until they are granted the morphing power by an Andalite.  However, when an ant and a buffalo and Loren first touch the box they are granted the morphing power instantly.
Fix: Remember when the Helmacrons made use of the morphing cube in #24?  If the box had a species-specific safeguard on it only allowing Andalites to use it, the Helmacrons would have had to override such a safeguard before they could power their shrink ray with it.  Thus, after they hacked it, that particular blue box no longer required an Andalite to trigger it.

I think I may have fixed some other KASUs over the years, but I can't think of any of them at the moment.  In my mind, once I fix them, I tend to forget that they're KASUs at all.  If I remember more I'll post them.

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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 11:17:39 AM »

KASU: Elfangor doesn't morph to save himself from his injuries in book #1.
Fix: The Ellimist didn't give his morphing powers back when he restored Elfangor's Andalite body, to keep him from trapping himself as a human again.


My personal solution for this one is that Elfangor had shrapnel in his body as part of his injuries; as such, morphing would likely just kill him much more instantly and he couldn't risk it. Though I suppose it could be possible for the Ellimist to have made Elfangor morph-incapable, since it's established that although the morphing powers are technological, some Andalites are physically incapable of gaining or using that technlology.

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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 11:24:38 AM »
Just be careful about trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing. A couple of examples would be David watching Buffy on Thursdays. I know for a fact that reruns did come on Thursdays because I watched them. Also snake poison is different from ****roach poison. Mainly that one can kill a Human, and the other won't. We have heard about that "KASU" regarding Jake being sprayed a little by roach spray and survivng, then being poisoned by a snake and worrying about dying from it, right? Those are the biggest examples of things that were on a list of KASUs that didn't need to be there.


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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 11:41:48 AM »
My personal solution for this one is that Elfangor had shrapnel in his body as part of his injuries; as such, morphing would likely just kill him much more instantly and he couldn't risk it. Though I suppose it could be possible for the Ellimist to have made Elfangor morph-incapable, since it's established that although the morphing powers are technological, some Andalites are physically incapable of gaining or using that technlology.

Yeah, I've heard of that fix before (have you mentioned it before?  It may have been from you that I heard it), but the thing is how would he have actually known that the shrapnel was there and that it would kill him?  I dunno, Andalites may have some sort of sense about such things, but I'm pretty sure humans cannot sense the position of objects inside their bodies (except maybe by thinking about where the pain is coming from, but then again that wouldn't have worked for Elfangor because he was probably hurting all over).  Then again, of course, Andalites do have that time-sense that humans don't, so it's not completely out of the question that they have other senses that we lack as well.  Not meaning to diss your theory, mind you, it's just a point to consider.

Just be careful about trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing. A couple of examples would be David watching Buffy on Thursdays. I know for a fact that reruns did come on Thursdays because I watched them. Also snake poison is different from ****roach poison. Mainly that one can kill a Human, and the other won't. We have heard about that "KASU" regarding Jake being sprayed a little by roach spray and survivng, then being poisoned by a snake and worrying about dying from it, right? Those are the biggest examples of things that were on a list of KASUs that didn't need to be there.

Seriously, that one was cited as a KASU?  I don't even remember Jake being bitten by a snake, and didn't Rachel and Ax both get bitten by snakes and morph out of the venom anyway?  Ax in #20, Rachel in #54?  I was under the impression that morphing would rid the body of toxins (with the exception of Andalite flu).  Which, of course, wouldn't have applied to the bug spray, since that was outside the body, but as you pointed out, it wasn't that the bug spray was neutralized, it was just that it wasn't enough to hurt Jake as a human.

Now . . . if Jake didn't shower (or have a chance to shower 'off-camera') before he morphed roach again, that might almost be a KASU.  Even that's a stretch, though.

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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 11:52:06 AM »
Jake got bitten in 11, and I think that was the first time any of them had gotten a snake bite. He was worried because the poison was in his blood, and it might still be there when he demorphed.


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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 12:48:51 PM »
KASU: Kafit birds are said to have six wings in #18, but six pairs of wings in TAC.
I always fix that with there are two different types/breeds of Kafit. A bit drastic change for in a species, but the sereis really doesn't follow scientific rules.

Elfangor not morphing
sorry but I'm letting that be KASU. A half page in she has a whole paragraph:
I cannot defeat the visser in one-on-one combat. I am weak from my injuries. Too weak to morph. Too weak to fight.
Too weak. All there is too it.
And I know all the counters-the Animorphs have morphed on the brink of death and even unconscious. So my answer.
He was too weak, and did not posses the Power of Youth. (Lets see the Animorphs demorph while unconscious at 38 :P)

I can't find a way to fix the ones I care about most: morph mix ups
Book 3: Tobias can't tell yet an osprey from a bald eagel (yeah right)
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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2012, 01:04:39 PM »

KASU: Elfangor doesn't morph to save himself from his injuries in book #1.
Fix: The Ellimist didn't give his morphing powers back when he restored Elfangor's Andalite body, to keep him from trapping himself as a human again.


My personal solution for this one is that Elfangor had shrapnel in his body as part of his injuries; as such, morphing would likely just kill him much more instantly and he couldn't risk it. Though I suppose it could be possible for the Ellimist to have made Elfangor morph-incapable, since it's established that although the morphing powers are technological, some Andalites are physically incapable of gaining or using that technlology.



This might be a morbid solution, but given the tone of the TAC, I just think he didn't want to live.  He wanted to get the Time Matrix, but when he determined he couldn't before getting fried (and he probably knew deep down he shouldn't anyway) he just gave up. I don't think even realizing that Tobias was his son could have made him want to live really.  Not dissing Elfangor in any way, but he had a track record of running away from responsibility when he had a lot of potential shame riding on his shoulders.  The death of his brother, on top of sending child soldiers into war, was probably enough on his shoulders that he'd just want to keep running from the responsibility of leading the kids.

And sadly, he also has a record of being suicidal, so I don't think this is really out of character for him.  It really paints him as a tragic hero kind of, his big "lesson" to everyone is to always have hope, yet it was something he never really had himself, he always seemed to make his decisions based on hopelessness.
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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2012, 03:41:45 PM »
KASU: Marco morphing a bald eagle in #3.
Fix: Well, who's to say that he didn't acquire a bald eagle?  We never see them acquire their bird morphs, and Marco may simply have been indecisive.  So he acquired two different ones, and later on decided he liked the osprey better.  It was mentioned in #20, after all, that the size of Rachel's eagle morph sometimes caused problems.  So it makes some sense that Marco would have opted to use the smaller and more agile morph, while Rachel, who values strength over strategy, would stick with the eagle.

By the way, that's a good point, about Elfangor's age.

So it could have been a combination of weakness and a loss of the will to live.  Kind of depressing, yeah, but it definitely makes sense for his character.

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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 06:18:17 PM »
That's actually a really good fix, and works for some of the others too.
However I don't see Jake saying "A siberian tiger just isn't doing it. I'm going to nearly get killed/exposed at the zoo again to get me a Bengeal tiger"
Especially right at the end

Idk about loss of will to live. Running away sure, but where were the suicidal tendancies. Die over submit-but out and out die cuz you're emotionally overwhelmed? I just don't see it
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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 06:30:13 PM »
That's actually a really good fix, and works for some of the others too.
However I don't see Jake saying "A siberian tiger just isn't doing it. I'm going to nearly get killed/exposed at the zoo again to get me a Bengeal tiger"
Especially right at the end

Idk about loss of will to live. Running away sure, but where were the suicidal tendancies. Die over submit-but out and out die cuz you're emotionally overwhelmed? I just don't see it


I guess that depends a lot on how you read the part in which he rammed the blade ship.  I guess it could be taken as either a suicide attempt (he undoubtedly thought he was going to die) or just a heroic act.

And I don't think it was really a case of "so emotionally messed up," he just wanted to die.  He usually ran when he thought he had screwed up big time.  I think, in his mind, (even though it wasn't his fault, though, was any of them really his fault?) Abandoning a son for 13 some years was a big screw up, as is making child soldiers, as is letting his brother die.  I think he would be content to just let it go there, since he has no qualms about sacrificing his own life.



Man, I hate typing about Elfangor like this, I really do think he is awesome, as flawed as he was.


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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 07:06:36 PM »
Ah, I didn't even think of that, I just kept going over when the Jahar died and was like what, that's not suicidal, that's oxygen depravation....(just read TAC)

Me, I see a difference between wanting to die (suicidal) and not wanting to live (which I can note, was your first phrasing of it)
I can't say I think he wanted to die, but I could concede that he didn't want live, or particularly care if he lived-which is how I view his Ram the Bladeship
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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 01:30:29 AM »
But if he didn't want to live, why would he have gone after the Time Matrix? Eh.

If we ascribe to the "he couldn't morph" theory...okay, give me a minute...it had something to do with the reason he had the cube in his ship? (Why would he just happen to be carrying one around?) Maybe he thought he could give the humans the morphing power, then have them give it back to him, or something...:P

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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 04:51:45 AM »
Like I said in the post, he probably wanted to get to the Time Matrix to fix everything, but just gave up when he realized it wasn't readily available.

If he really wanted to get to the Time Matrix that badly, he could have just morphed, saved himself, and went back for it later.

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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 07:21:53 PM »
KASU: Tobias still having a cut in #1 dispite morphing fixes all injuries

Fix: He got cut again after he demorphed because his cat was still freaked.
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Re: KASU repairs
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 12:22:17 AM »
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