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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 11:20:54 PM »
Relax, lovelies. One was facetious, the other was miffed. Might we move on without further problem?


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Where'd that part about racism come from? Are you talking about some of the older movies, like Dumbo?

Movies as recent as Pocahontas and Mulan come with heavily racist / culturist undertones (or overtones, or obvious lack of knowledge of the culture on display).

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The animals in the universe wouldnt have the ability to kill. tigers teeth would be dull and laced with a contact nkockout poison.
Where are you getting this? Disney animals are notoriously nightmare fueling for small children, and death (including death-by-animal-attack) is a fairly frequent theme or device: The Lion King, Snow White, Tarzan, the Little Mermaid and Aladdin animated series on the Disney Channel... seriously, no shortage of things being toothsome and nasty.
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 11:23:16 PM »
Relax, lovelies. One was facetious, the other was miffed. Might we move on without further problem?


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Where'd that part about racism come from? Are you talking about some of the older movies, like Dumbo?

Movies as recent as Pocahontas and Mulan come with heavily racist / culturist undertones (or overtones, or obvious lack of knowledge of the culture on display).


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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2011, 11:25:51 PM »
Relax, lovelies. One was facetious, the other was miffed. Might we move on without further problem?


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Where'd that part about racism come from? Are you talking about some of the older movies, like Dumbo?

Movies as recent as Pocahontas and Mulan come with heavily racist / culturist undertones (or overtones, or obvious lack of knowledge of the culture on display).

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The animals in the universe wouldnt have the ability to kill. tigers teeth would be dull and laced with a contact nkockout poison.
Where are you getting this? Disney animals are notoriously nightmare fueling for small children, and death (including death-by-animal-attack) is a fairly frequent theme or device: The Lion King, Snow White, Tarzan, the Little Mermaid and Aladdin animated series on the Disney Channel... seriously, no shortage of things being toothsome and nasty.

Yes but you see no blood at all in most disney movies. the worst you see is a nasty scratch mark. SO the logic of knockout animals being, no blood, and the enemies could be disabled long enough for the yeerk to die
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 11:38:21 PM »
No blood does not equal no death. It just happens that Disney seems to favour bloodless killing. The killing still definitely happens.

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Why stop there? Further back I say! Peter Pan, "Why is the Red Man Red?"
The point we were addressing involved recent instances of racism.
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2011, 09:17:01 AM »
Looks like this is going to be more of a discussion than a list. Sorry OP.

As to what Animorphs would be like, there would definitely be more undertones of sexual humor. Obscene messages would be spelled out in the stars, certain body parts would be flagrantly displayed on castles and other locations.

Every so often the characters would break out into a choreographed musical number.

Visser Three would have lightening accompany him at every entrance, followed by a close up as he hissed out a declaration. (IE: Triton's Daughter will be mine...)

On the racism issue, I'd say there is a broad line between racism and ignorance. The Redman song from Peter Pan is pretty racist. The general implication is that white people are superior or "correct".

Mulan was more like an attempt to explore a new culture with overuse of references to "honor" and "ancestral guardians", etc. It wasn't trying to be blatantly offensive and the instances where it might have slipped up were forgivable at least.

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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 04:09:08 PM »
it'll probably have princesses and be a fairytale
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 04:29:05 PM »
Or, it would be exactly as it is, but then get canceled. A few years later they might release a DVD of the first half, but not advertise it. and then because the first DVD set didn't sell well, they wouldn't bother releasing the second half, because obviously there's not enough demand.
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2011, 06:33:26 PM »
Which movie series was like that? It doesn't ring a bell.

I don't see a lot of race issues in Pocahontas myself...there was some from the POV of the English, especially Ratcliffe, but I don't think it was racist all over.

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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2011, 10:57:36 PM »
TV series, and that would be Gargoyles.
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2011, 11:01:06 PM »
Visser three would have learned his lesson. Cassie and Jae would have stayed together. Rachel and Tobias would at least get a final kiss
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2011, 06:10:47 PM »
Visser three would have learned his lesson. Cassie and Jae would have stayed together. Rachel and Tobias would at least get a final kiss

oh, yeah, that would be so true

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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2011, 12:13:56 AM »
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I don't see a lot of race issues in Pocahontas myself

There is no shortage of online lists of just what is wrong with that film (on racial terms), but we'll give a brief one:
-At several points in the film, the Native Americans and English settlers are shown as equal offenders in a conflict.
Reality: the English were undeniably the aggressors, and any fighting done by the indigenous people was that of self-defence and protecting the home and family.

-The ending shows a deceptively positive outlook for interactions between whites and natives.
Reality: If you know any actual Native American history at all, or the modern situation for their nations, this really doesn't need to be spelled out to you.

-The setting of the film bears absolutely no resemblance to the actual location where the historical events referenced by the movie occurred. This added 'scenic quality' allows things like free-fall swan dives off waterfalls into inland lakes, as a way to illustrate the heroine's... diving ability... which has virtually no bearing on the plot.

-The heroine is depicted as significantly older than she was in real life, and she is depicted as saving the life of her 'true love' figure (at least until the sequels retcon that a bit). Her physical traits clearly reflect Eurocentric standards of beauty. She is shown to be "close to nature," and while many Disney 'princesses' have talking animal friends, this movie has no talking animals at all... no, just wild animals interacting fondly with the protagonist. What does talk? A tree. The protagonist goes to a tree for advice. What.
Historically, 'nearness to nature' has translated as propaganda to dehumanize a group or race; this is known as the Noble Savage stereotype. Just because a group of people exist for a long time without electricity, on a diet of non-domesticated meats and both wild and agricultural plants, and they show traits of non-wastefulness, innovation of resources, and the ability to survive in a location that is foreign or 'wilderness' to another group does not make them either 'closer to nature' or less human and 'civilized'.

-The entire plot does a major deviation from the historical event it supposedly describes at a child's level of understanding. To us, that reads as Disney just taking any opportunity and excuse to say, "hey, we're culturally diverse and stuff!" Mulan reads exactly the same way. This is cultural appropriation, and it's based around a set of misunderstandings, and it conveys a story nearly the opposite of historical record.

-The song "Savages" highlights the trope of racism between these groups, and that would almost be enough to subvert some of the previous nasty details... after all, it does portray the English as aggressively racist.
Problem: it also portrays the natives as aggressively racist, not defending their homeland from a violent invading group who possess superior firepower (albeit a total lack of knowledge of the territory).

-Finally, the name of the main character... it's not even her name. It's a nickname. It means "misbehaving little child." Her real name was Matoaka. Way to do your research, Disney.

Link for further reading, if you're interested: http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html
This is an article on the Powhatan Nation's actual opinions of the film.

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All of the main characters would have at least one dead parent, and all the female main characters would have an evil step-parent.
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2011, 09:39:49 AM »
Marco kind of got one of those when his step mom was infested
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2011, 12:18:47 PM »
Oooh, good point. Hmn. Jake has the 'evil [step]sibling' thing going on, too, so that's covered.

Plenty of elaborate chase scenes, but none are blatantly humourous a la "Aristocats," except the occasion of Marco driving in gorilla morph (do you just HATE TRASH CANS?!?).
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Re: If Animorphs were created by Disney...
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2011, 07:57:54 PM »
No blood does not equal no death. It just happens that Disney seems to favour bloodless killing. The killing still definitely happens.

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Why stop there? Further back I say! Peter Pan, "Why is the Red Man Red?"
The point we were addressing involved recent instances of racism.

Yep, recent. Because I said 'subtle', and we're more subtle about it these days. By "we", I mean Disney. I hope.

Reading some of these comments, I don't think a lot of people are familiar with Disney films. Knockout poison? Characters die all the time, and it's established that they die.

Anyways, another thing would be that the plots would all deviate in some way from the bloody horror that is the original, such as how Cinderella deviated. Maybe after Rachel died, a kiss from Tobias would bring her back? That would make a lot of people happy, I guess....
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