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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 05:44:55 PM »
what's cliched mean?

Basically it means when something has become a commonly used stereotype.
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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 05:59:34 PM »
uh...can't think of one. why? because I don't know any stereotypes...

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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2008, 06:47:16 PM »
You've never heard the terms "strong as an ox" and "cute as a button"???
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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 06:49:34 PM »
uh...not really...

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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 07:09:53 PM »
I think the Yeerks (as much as I love the little buggers) are pretty stereotypical tiny aliens with big egos who want to take over the world. 

Come to think of it, so were the Helmacrons...


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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2008, 09:15:34 PM »
As far as a species is concerned Skrit Na definitely follow the "traditional" cliche for aliens. However, I think the Yeerks follow a more recent cliche trend when it comes to alien species. How many books/movies/tv shows have used the idea of 'controllers' in some shape or form? Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Animorphs, Stargate (I think, correct me if I'm wrong), the new Stephenie Meyer book The Host, even the Borg loosely follow the trend. I mean, the list goes on and on. It's an incredibly common theme, and it seems to be becoming the new "concept" for aliens, taking over the Skrit Na 'abduct and experiment' model.

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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2008, 10:49:12 PM »
what's cliched mean?
A cliche is something that's been done a whole lot of times by a whole lot of companies. Normally, it's because it's popular. However, people sometimes bash cliche things because they've been done so many times.

Some people don't like to see things that they've already seen so many times, but the reason so many companies and stuff do those things is because they're popular.

Cliche to me doesn't really mean bad. It's just something that's been done before.

Take Visser three. He's much like Skeletor from He-Man, or that villain from Final Fantasy Six, or Cruella Deville from 101 Dalmations. The kind of villain that is just awful and doesn't have any redeeming qualities.


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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2008, 11:16:39 PM »
uh...no don't really see the similarities...alth ough that could be because I've never heard of half those villians.

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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2008, 11:51:57 PM »
I would argue that Visser Three has redeeming qualities. Just look at Visser Three circa HBC!

Although yeah, the classic V3 from the beginning of the series was your typical evil villain archetype, screaming and pointing and being a very one-dimensional villain. I think KA did a good job of giving him some depth as the series went on, though. I think she realized that even the classic villain couldn't be static, or else it would ruin her message.

But I'm getting off topic...a cliche isn't necessarily referring to something a company uses. It's referring to something that has been used so much that it loses its meaning.

For example, 'actions speak louder than words' is said often and really people don't take its meaning to heart as much as they would if someone had said it for the first time. It's become cliche.

In the context of this topic, a cliche character (or species) is one that has been used over and over again to the point of becoming predictable. In the fanfic world a Mary Sue would be considered one of the biggest cliche's.

Basically, to use a cliche to describe a cliche (:P) it's been done...

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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2008, 11:52:54 PM »
I think he's (Daphnes) referring to the fact that they're supposed to be a "pure evil" character that the audience is meant to hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.

They're not meant to be sympathetic bad guys.

And cliches aren't bad of themselves.  Add a little imagination and a cliche is a good starting point for ideas.  Just gotta find a spin.
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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2008, 12:19:32 AM »
Well, yeah. I mean, technically everything is just expounding upon a cliche. All archetypes are cliches, and its hard to find a piece of literature without some version of an archetypes being used - even if the archetype has been warped. The better authors make you forget that you're reading a cliche. The bad authors make the cliche so awful that it becomes bad (*Mary-Sue and Gary-Stue run off into the sunset with evil plans of destroying fiction everywhere*)

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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2008, 12:23:43 AM »
what is a mary/gary sue? is that where an,author puts themselves in a story and warps reality and shatters the 4th wall?
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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2008, 12:25:17 AM »
a mary sue, yes. a gary-sue not sure.

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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2008, 12:25:34 AM »
Dude. Gary and Mary were just completely made-up people that Terenia was using as an example of bad writing.
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Re: Which race seems most cliched?
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2008, 12:26:58 AM »
visser 3 rules!
and i love his cliche ness/

i think that animorphs is a huge cliche but its part of what makes it awesome, and it was for kids after all