Chee's Non-Violence Programming

[TobiasMasonPark]

Well, obviously emotional harm isn't out. How do you thinkt hat Yeerk feels about spending years trapped somewhere, with no way to escape?

     It's ironic that the Yeerk--a being who traps and enslaves other races-- is a prisoner. There's a fanfic with Erek's Yeerk's POV on the situation.

[MoppingBear]

Is it a slash fic?

[TobiasMasonPark]

     No...no it's not.

     Don't think an Android and a yeerk are capable of doing...whatever it is you think they're capable of doing.

     I'm not judging.

     Those fics are just not my sort of thing.

[LisaCharly]

Don't tempt ColdGreenSoda. They'll find a way to do it.

I've actually seen a few fics from Erek's Yeerk's POV - I believe Alikat522 covered it as one of the vignettes in A Matter of Magnitude. /pimping bff

[Phoenix004]

Apologies for reviving this thread, but something occurred to me which I don't think has been brought up before in this thread.

Okay, so we know that Erek used the Pemalite crystal to alter his programming to allow violence. Technically his own programming should've prevented him from doing this, but let's ignore that since we know that's what happened. This would mean that when the Howlers cam along to wipe out the Pemalites, all the Chee had to do was grab a crystal and give themselves the ability to fight back and save their masters. Obviously the peaceful Pemalites wouldn't have wanted this, but surely at least one Chee (eg. Erek) would've realised this possibility? On the other hand, I guess even the trusting Pemalites probably wouldn't have left such powerful technology lying around.

Just something to think about...

[MoppingBear]

Apologies for reviving this thread, but something occurred to me which I don't think has been brought up before in this thread.

Okay, so we know that Erek used the Pemalite crystal to alter his programming to allow violence. Technically his own programming should've prevented him from doing this, but let's ignore that since we know that's what happened. This would mean that when the Howlers cam along to wipe out the Pemalites, all the Chee had to do was grab a crystal and give themselves the ability to fight back and save their masters. Obviously the peaceful Pemalites wouldn't have wanted this, but surely at least one Chee (eg. Erek) would've realised this possibility? On the other hand, I guess even the trusting Pemalites probably wouldn't have left such powerful technology lying around.

Just something to think about...

They might not have even conceived of violence until spending so much time amongst humans.

[Phoenix004]

Possibly, but somehow I suspect that watching their friends and creators brutally murdered in front of them would be sufficient motivation for them.

[warren_bearclaw]

Possibly, but somehow I suspect that watching their friends and creators brutally murdered in front of them would be sufficient motivation for them.

Yeah, but maybe it was too late by then. I dunno...

Another question: Can the Chee give the appearance of being deadly? Could they project a hologram of one of Visser Three's scarier morphs and send everyone scurrying away in a blind panic? What if doing so would prevent a battle/bloodshed? Would it then be justifiable by Chee programming?

[NateSean]

Possibly, but somehow I suspect that watching their friends and creators brutally murdered in front of them would be sufficient motivation for them.

My theory there is that the Pemalites were still alive, ableit for not much longer. So there was probably an Assamovian protocol in the line of the Chee's programming that said, "If a Pemalite gives you an order, you must follow it." So with their dying breath, the Pemalites tell their Chee, "No, do not kill them even though they've essentially killed us."

Which would actually piss me off a lot more. Because the Pemalites were the only species in the universe who didn't believe in an eye for an eye and they were killed because of that.

[Phoenix004]

I don't see why they couldn't project a hologram of something scary, as it doesn't actually harm anyone.

Yeah the Pemalites are a sad example of a peaceful and trusting people being punished simply because not everyone is that nice.

[Chad32]

Ultimate evil bring chaos, but ultimate good brings complacency. Extremism is bad, regardless of which end of the spectrum you're on. No matter how peaceful you are, you still need to know how to defend yourself.

Who was it that said speak softly, but carry a big stick? Ghandi? Someone else? I like that saying.

[RYTX]

I think that was Theodore Roosevelt

[Phoenix004]

Ultimate evil bring chaos, but ultimate good brings complacency. Extremism is bad, regardless of which end of the spectrum you're on. No matter how peaceful you are, you still need to know how to defend yourself.

Who was it that said speak softly, but carry a big stick? Ghandi? Someone else? I like that saying.

True, but if literally everyone was peaceful then we wouldn't have to defend ourselves from others.

[KitsuneMarie]

I find your statement that ultimate good brings complacency intriguing, Chad. What would an all-good society really be like? Did Serenity get it right in showing a world where people just stopped doing everything, or would we continue on as we are now, but without violence and hurt? Would we still create art? Would we still have things to talk about? Would we still want to learn? How would we handle knowing about our violent history?

That's a line of Erek's that always stuck out in my mind: that he could never forget (and not only that, but never not think about) the violent acts he had committed because he was a computer, not a person capable of storing away and dulling painful memories.

[Chad32]

Some of the things we'd have would at least partly depend on how competitive we still are.I don't really know what it's like for people to live in a place without any kind of violence. I really doubt world peace is actually possible, as there's always going to be people who just can't stand how something is done, and decides to try to force others to do it their way.