Why Rachel and Tobias could never work

[ThermalRider]

While I do believe that they age, I don't think that book 41 is a good reference for anything really, because the whole thing is a dream/fake made up by the voice that Jake hears at the end.

[Chad32]

While I do believe that they age, I don't think that book 41 is a good reference for anything really, because the whole thing is a dream/fake made up by the voice that Jake hears at the end.

That is true. I figured someone would bring up that the whole thing was fake, but it's the clearest evidence that nothlits age.

Nowhere does it mention that arbron got older in Taxxon form, but then there's no evidence to believe they don't age.

I wonder if it mentiones anywhere in the Andalite Chronicles that Elfangor grew older with Loren.

[~]

Tobias aged as a hawk! I'm sorry, but the idea that nothlits don't age is ridiculous. They are still biological beings and biological beings age.

[wolfev]

You misunderstood, I assumed Tobias would keep his hawkward form after the war or that it would go on for a while so that his only time as being human would be as a morphed human for two hours at a time that would not age.

[esplin]

i always thought rachel and tobias wouldnt work ethier, but rachel seems like such a strong girl she would make it work.

i really do think nothlits age though

[~]

You misunderstood, I assumed Tobias would keep his hawkward form after the war or that it would go on for a while so that his only time as being human would be as a morphed human for two hours at a time that would not age.

I was referring to the people who were saying that nothlits don't age. I don't agree with your reasons, but that's probably only because I see Tobias and Rachel as the definitive example of a good relationship, both love and support each other no matter what the circumstances.

[AniDragon]

I'm pretty sure nothlits age. Mostly because of #41, but even then, there was never any refference to Elfangor not aging as a human in The Andalite Chronicles. And since he went through college, getting married, etc., SOMEONE would have noticed that he wasn't aging.

[babette]

Want to know what i think?
I think that it doestn't matter what's on the outside,
I think what really matters is wha's on the inside!
Tobias is still tobias, it's just that his body is a hawk
His heart and soul is still the same
And deep down inside is tobias.

[Starsword]

I never got the relationship between the two. i can see tobias liking her, and Rachel and Cassie were friends and opposites. But Cassie had emotions for others, and Tobias cared for others, but he lived in far too much self pity for me to ever see rachel with him.

[CounterInstinct]

Well, it isn't a matter of personality.

Tobias is Rachel's last cling to her humanity as a woman. Without Tobias, Rachel would never want to have a sense of being a normal again (proof: book 33, the one after the starfish). If they all survive after the war, I doubt Rachel would join the military, considering Tobias.

Rachel is Tobias's desperate cling to his humanity. Without Rachel, Tobias would never want to be human again. This was made clear in the last book, where Tobias threw away whatever humanity was left in him after Rachel's death by living full time as hawk...

So, I guess, they are the perfect combination.

[sherrilina]

i always thought rachel and tobias wouldnt work ethier, but rachel seems like such a strong girl she would make it work.

I don't know,  I feel like even if Rachel had survived she wouldn't have been content with no war and fighting going on.....in some ways, sad as it was, I think she was better off dying in a blaze of glory, doing what she loved best....so I don't think they would necessarily have worked out even if both had lived.  The war was too damaging and life-altering....in the beginning of #41 Jake notes that since being tortured Tobias was even more silent and withdrawn than before, for example.  Physical survival is never a guarantee of a relationship survival....just look at Jake/Cassie!

[SageKiller]

I was always against the whole Rachel x Tobias relationship.  I think they both needed someone but it didn't necessarily have to be each other.

[CounterInstinct]

It wasn't necessary.... in MM3 it was Mellissa who Tobias was paired to. Any case...

Tobias is Rachel's last cling to her humanity as both a woman and at the same time, her conscience. Without Tobias, Rachel would never want to have a sense of being a normal person again (proof: book 33, the one after the starfish). If they all survive after the war, I doubt Rachel would join the military, considering Tobias.

Rachel is Tobias's desperate cling to his humanity. Without Rachel, Tobias would never want to be human again. This was made clear in the last book, where Tobias threw away whatever humanity was left in him after Rachel's death by living full time as hawk...

[EscafilDevice]

It wasn't necessary.... in MM3 it was Mellissa who Tobias was paired to. Any case...

Tobias is Rachel's last cling to her humanity as both a woman and at the same time, her conscience. Without Tobias, Rachel would never want to have a sense of being a normal person again (proof: book 33, the one after the starfish). If they all survive after the war, I doubt Rachel would join the military, considering Tobias.

Rachel is Tobias's desperate cling to his humanity. Without Rachel, Tobias would never want to be human again. This was made clear in the last book, where Tobias threw away whatever humanity was left in him after Rachel's death by living full time as hawk...

Tobias was paired with Melissa because Rachel never went to the construction site with them and wasn't in the group. It was an alternate reality anyway, I wouldn't take it into consideration when discussing their relationship.

[morfowt]

i'm not sure that alternate reality was good. apparently with all that change (enough to make hitler a sort of nice guy) the animorphs actually still exist.