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« on: June 29, 2009, 10:19:40 AM »
How come Elfangor is the only Andalite we meet who doesn't obsess over mouth sounds when in human form? 

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 10:31:30 AM »
You know, that's a pretty amazing point.  Then again, maybe those parts just aren't shown.  He ends up loving the human race for some reason (certainly not for our diplomatic abilities  ::) ).  Food and speech are as likely as anything else...
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Re: human morphs
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 11:01:04 AM »
If I recall correctly, by the time we see Elfangor in human morph he's already spent a whole lot of time in it. He could have gotten accustomed to making mouth sounds. Keep in mind, he was making a real effort to "be human." He had to hide his Andalite intelligence in university, for example.

Visser Three doesn't "obsess over mouth sounds" either in human form. I imagine it's the same idea, although you could argue he's already had "mouth experience" from his time in a Hork-Bajir.
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Re: human morphs
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 12:59:48 PM »
If I recall correctly, by the time we see Elfangor in human morph he's already spent a whole lot of time in it. He could have gotten accustomed to making mouth sounds. Keep in mind, he was making a real effort to "be human." He had to hide his Andalite intelligence in university, for example.

Visser Three doesn't "obsess over mouth sounds" either in human form. I imagine it's the same idea, although you could argue he's already had "mouth experience" from his time in a Hork-Bajir.

Yeah, it was three years by the time we met him, and the only dialog he delivered as human was from when the Ellimist was all up in his biz, and when **** was going down even Ax managed to get the point across. And he did mention how much he liked food.
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Re: human morphs
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 10:04:23 PM »
Since this thread is just titled "human morphs", I'm going to pose another human morph question.

When is/is it not moral to acquire and use a human morph? The Ani's were rather stringent with these rules in the beginning, and rather lax in the end. Is this because they became less moral? Or something else?

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 10:38:25 PM »
maybe its an age thing all the andalites who have joy over speaking are relatively young
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Re: human morphs
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 11:34:26 PM »
Since this thread is just titled "human morphs", I'm going to pose another human morph question.

When is/is it not moral to acquire and use a human morph? The Ani's were rather stringent with these rules in the beginning, and rather lax in the end. Is this because they became less moral? Or something else?

I think it's not that they became less moral, but rather submitted to necessary logic. It's a simple matter of doing what's right versus doing what's needed.

Just like blowing up the Yeerk Pool. Tell them that they would do it in book six, and they'd never believe you. If anything, they'd most likely be appalled by the very idea, and the risk to innocent people. Yet, they did it in the end. I think an important theme of the entire series is doing what's right versus doing what's necessary. It's constantly about stretching morals to work with logic.


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Re: human morphs
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 07:45:20 AM »
How come Elfangor is the only Andalite we meet who doesn't obsess over mouth sounds when in human form? 

He probably did at first, but he spent years as a human nothlit trying to blend in with society. He just had more practice than Ax.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 08:06:57 PM »
your probably right phoenix
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Re: human morphs
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 12:41:27 AM »
Well Elfangor himself said that taste was a very uncontrollable force. We just don't see any parts in AC where he is actually eating. Also after having controlled a Taxxon's hunger human taste is nothing.

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2009, 11:27:09 AM »
Morphing a Human should be fine, as long as you try not to do something that could get the real person in trouble. Like steal something, or beat someone up, or destroy something.

Cassie thought morphing and controlling Humans was like what the Yeerks do. she overlooked the fact that a morph had no self awareness. ax's body never considered its own existance, or why it was being controlled by something else. It never attempted to speak to Ax. That's a large, and key, difference.


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