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Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« on: April 12, 2009, 03:42:01 PM »
Ok if a Hork-Bajir and an Andalite fought one-on-one with no weapons who would win......?

I mean andalites have tail blades but the Hork's have blades all over their body's. So it would be interesting to see who would win.

I think the Hork-Bajir would win personally.

But what do you think???

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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2009, 03:47:43 PM »
I would go with Andalite because, well. Elfangor and Ax alone are shown too have cut up more than one, even if out numbered.

I mean, it's not a guarantee, but nine times out of ten the Andalite wins.
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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2009, 03:50:32 PM »
yer but thats because they have been trained to fight.... i mean if an untrained andalite fought a untrained Hork-Bajir i think the Hork-Bajir would win

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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2009, 04:17:38 PM »
depends on how much training the other has

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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2009, 04:41:57 PM »
Andalites have speed, and the ability to look in three directions at once. Horks have strength, and more than one blade to attack with. I think out in an open field, and Andalite would have a natural advantage. In a closed in space, the Hork would have an advantage. Even if they can strike quickly, and andalite would still be hard pressed to hit two arm blades and one or two knee blades to keep at least one of them from connecting.

Though I think a big reason why a Hork has an advantage up close is because Andalite arms are typically weak. If an andalite was strong enough to block and grab a Hork's are with his hands, and strike with his tail, and I'd say the Andalite had an overall advantage in both situations. If they were all like Gafinilan, then most well trained Andalites should be able to take on most Horks in unarmed combat. Since they can't use their arms to block or deflect, it remains a weakness.


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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2009, 04:43:08 PM »
Hork-Bajir are tough, nobody is denying that, but average Andalite beats average Hork-Bajir any day. Andalites (eg. Ax and Elfangor) have taken down plenty of Hork-Bajir by themselves and have the advantage of a long reaching tail. Hork-Bajir have to be up close to do damage.
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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2009, 05:06:54 PM »
I think, with no experiance, Andalite. HB's are to peaceful.
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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2009, 05:25:48 PM »
I think, with no experiance, Andalite. HB's are to peaceful.

Exactly. Before the Yeerks came they were the ultimate pacifists. Andalites are peaceful by nature, but the fact that they naturally evolved a tail blade makes it obvious that they have an instinct to defend themselves.
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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2009, 05:33:51 PM »
I don't think it matters how peaceful they are. Though I suppose neither would attack agressively, if they did get into a fight.

I think we're supposed to picture a certain Andalite and Hork that are angry enough to fight each other. Regardless of how their species would normally act.


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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2009, 06:03:23 PM »
Either way, Andalites have a natural instinct to fight if threatened. As artificially engineered creatures, Hork-Bajirs don't have that instinct.
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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2009, 01:31:56 AM »
andalite, hands down.
horks wouldn't fight normally.

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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 05:47:13 AM »
I would go with Andalite because, well. Elfangor and Ax alone are shown too have cut up more than one, even if out numbered.

I mean, it's not a guarantee, but nine times out of ten the Andalite wins.
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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2009, 07:16:42 AM »
No morphing ability. Just plain old Andalite body versus Hork body.


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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2009, 08:55:00 AM »
I think it's mentioned somewhere that a trained Andalite fighter can go one on three with Hork-Bajir and usually win. If that's the case, then it seems to stand to reason that one on one an untrained Andalite could still prevail. I agree with one of the previous posts, though. Environment plays a big role. Fighting on an open hillside and fighting in a forest are two very different things and each one gives a different species its advantage. If you just put them in a room and told them to fight, the Andalite would probably still have the advantage as long as the room was large enough.

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Re: Andalite vs Hork-Bajir
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2009, 05:07:30 AM »
Yes Elfangor and Ax usually win one on one but I look at it this way: Apart from Elfangor being some kind of tail fighting prodigy both Elfangor and Ax were not just well trained, they were main characters.

Hork-Bajir aren't pushovers, and even if we say they're untrained it would still be a yeerk in the Hork-Bajir's head otherwise neither has any incentive to fight the other, so say we've got a good old fashion Andalite space cadet and a Hork-Bajir grunt, well Joe Andalite in the trenches meets Billy Hork-Bajir it's far less one sided than if Elfangor picks a fight with him.

Bare in mind in TAC Alloran, Arbron and Elfangor are all trained, Alloran's a veteran in fact, and still they nearly die fighting a group of Hork-Bajir on that transport ship, a group which honestly does not outnumber them by very much, certainly not by this boasted three to one ratio which I don't buy as anything more than Andalite propaganda (don't get me wrong I do recall it being in the books, I have a very strong sense that it was Ax saying it though, we know how unbiased his opinions are) Indeed it may have been because it was too confined a space. Elfangor metnions that he saves Alloran from getting flanked, Arbron states that Elfangor saved his life so you can't just say that any old Andalite could defeat a hork-bajir let alone trust that any trained Andalite could defeat three singlehanded when clearly there are times when that reach and speed aren't enough. Did the Hork-Bajir on the transport have experience fighting? Probably but how do you think they got it? By killing Andalites. Were they elite soldiers? Unlikely. Even if by some miracle they were, were they would be moreso than Alloran who nearly got his own butt kicked and still be serving on a transport so unimportant that the future Visser Three would have let it get blown to bits? Even more unlikely. So essentially to me at least the three to one ratio is little more than idealistic propaganda generated by Andalite drill instructors so their cadets don't freak out at the first sign of battle.

So obviously I take issue with the nine times out of ten ratio as well, it's far too one sided to be likely, remember the Hork-Bajir have been fighting the Andalites on the ground and in space as the Yeerk's number one shock trooper, if they were that ineffective the war would have ended before it ever reached earth, and remember the Hork-Bajir aren't slow, they're stated many times as being very fast themselves, and they have more endurance, they can take a lot more damage than the Andalites can.

So lets say you've got one Hork-Bajir, and one Andalite, if they're untrained but forced to fight to be honest I see it being advantage Andalite, but milder than 3 to 1, I would buy that in a one on one fight with none of the Andalite training Andalites would win against Hork-Bajir 60-65% of the time, it's more than half but by no means a sure thing. Mind you Hork-Bajir aren't just strong and well equipped, and they can take a beating. After the carnage of a battle with the Animoprhs it's often said that some of the Hork-Bajir they fought aren't dead, just unconcious, Andalites seem fragile by comparison, the worst we've seen Ax suffer is losing his arm and we didn't get to see how he reacted while it was cut off, maybe he went unconcious, maybe he grabbed it with his other arm and started beating the Hork-Bajir with it, we don't know, but I've never read anything that implies that Andalites could wrestle with a grizzly and still be breathng afterwards.
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