Rachel and Tobias, Would she had liked him if he wasnt trapped as a hawk?

[Azguard]

would you girls be attracted to tobias (assuming you don't know that much about him*

[AcreLorraine]

I wish I hadn't read through all the books again so quickly(3 days) cause one of the later ones, Rachel's point of view, talked about how she liked Tobias before he was trapped as a hawk.  But I doubt it was much of a relationship as much as she thought he was cute.  I think the Hawk may have added pity, but that alone wouldn't be enough. 

[Duff]

I think that old human tobias was alot different than later hawk tobias, he was more confident and assertive. But rachel liked him before he changed, I think because her parents split up she prized loyalty and responsibility alot more, which tobias demonstrated right from the start, rachel and tobias were the only two who were completely sure they were going to fight.

I think Rachel and Marco had a real connection during the war. They seem like best friends almost, how they understand eachother and see things the same way, and obviously enjoy their humorous back and forth. I think in MM4 rachel just began to see the qualities in marco that she respected and was attracted to. I think there was an attraction between them, but almost an understanding that they werent right for eachother because while they teased and flirted neither of them actually ever tried to make anything from it

[Phoenix004]

From the subtle hints in the first book, we can easily tell that Rachel cares about Tobias. For example, when Tobias points out that nobody gives a damn about him, Rachel insists that she does.

Some people might claim that Megamorphs #4 was evidence against this, but that was a reality where they didn't get the morphing power or join the war at all (at least to begin with). However, if they had still got the morphing power and fought the Yeerks but Tobias hadn't been trapped, Rachel and Marco would have ended up the same as always and Tobias would have ended up dating Rachel at some point, probably way before the first Jake/Cassie kiss.

[estrid]

they admited their feelings 2 one another way b4 the jake and cassie kiss. those 2 were def meant to be way since the beginning b4 tobias became a hawk

[Patrick Ripoll]

Rachel was not lover of Tobias even when he was sampled human-self from memory dream. So why would her love his without hawkness?

[Nateosaurus]

would you girls be attracted to tobias (assuming you don't know that much about him*

I'm not sure. I don't think I'd be able to be with a hawk though

[estrid]

as was said earlier, back in book 1 she showed obvious caring for him, even tho he was still human.

[Horsefan1023 (Seal)]

I agree, I believe that it was Tobias that Rachel liked, not Hawk-Tobias.  I think Rachel just had the bravery to admit it after Tobias was trapped.

[wildweathel]

I challenge the premise of the question.  Tobias wouldn't be Tobias without becoming a nothlit.  KA gives us front-row seats of his struggle to come to terms with his hawkishness, and how it changes him.  Without his predator half, he would have remained merely a poetic, depressed, total wuss.  He wouldn't have done anything like the cat-chasing, butt-kicking, swimming, torture-enduring, self-sacrificing, merciful, heroic Tobias we all know.

Seriously, who here is happy with MM4 Tobias?  He's very much not Tobias, just someone similar with the same name, an earlier, pathetic revision who dies a pathetic--but entirely in-character--death.

[dolphin4077]

I challenge the premise of the question.  Tobias wouldn't be Tobias without becoming a nothlit.  KA gives us front-row seats of his struggle to come to terms with his hawkishness, and how it changes him.  Without his predator half, he would have remained merely a poetic, depressed, total wuss.  He wouldn't have done anything like the cat-chasing, butt-kicking, swimming, torture-enduring, self-sacrificing, merciful, heroic Tobias we all know.

Seriously, who here is happy with MM4 Tobias?  He's very much not Tobias, just someone similar with the same name, an earlier, pathetic revision who dies a pathetic--but entirely in-character--death.

But my question is could Tobias have become the character we all love and did those things you mentioned if he had stayed a human Animorph? 
 

[Aldrea]

yea. she did say she cared 4 him wen he sed no one cared. & he also used 2 sit only on her arm in da 1st book. They barely knew each other then, and he had just been trapped 4 a few days. Buy yea, Marco and Rachel would have been a better couple. Except that Rachel is way taller than Marco.

[Azguard]

well ya know what? I think this is what was happening. marco and rachel would have dated had they openly admitted that they liked each other. but openly admitting it would just destroy the playful chemistry they had with each other.

think of it like this. you know that stage right before you admit to a girl or guy that you liked each other. you know, the playful "i think you like me, but i'm not entirely sure so we'll just dance around each other" stage? that one stage where you don't ever really tell each other directly that you care for the other person? you want to, but you're still holding back? i think rachel and marco stayed at that stage. and probably mainly because marco probably never made a serious move (considering rachel is his best friend's cousin), and when tobias came along something else started and that playful chemistry between marco and rachel just stayed where it was. maybe went back a little.

but my question, is why would a girl like rachel like tobias? even in the very first book, wasn't that where they actually met? was it physical features? or what?

[nat]

but my question, is why would a girl like rachel like tobias? even in the very first book, wasn't that where they actually met? was it physical features? or what?

This one. I wonder about it too.

Rachel is tough from the beginning, it was Tobias who changed throughout the series, from a helpless kid into a stronger (and wiser? I got the vibes) one. What attraction did Rachel found inside Tobias? Did she ever had a real, like, conversation with him before they all meet at the mall? To at least knew something about him that made him more worthy than he seemed for her? Was it just pheromone?

For about why Tobias liked Rachel, I don't know the answer also... (perhaps it's just The Rachel Charm or something) But at least in MM2 he clarified it. Then we don't have to wonder. Whatever reason he had, he definitely had a crush with Rachel from the very start.

[Chad32]

I don't remember Tobias dying in MM4. Last thing I remembered, he was close to becoming a voluntary controller.