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What's the point of MM4?
« on: June 04, 2008, 10:48:58 PM »
I mean, for example, number 41 showed that Jake also had indecisions and weaknesses as a leader. He makes mistakes too.. etc etc.
Another example, #13 showed ambiguity in what Tobias really wanted more, to become human or hawk. Since the Ellimist said that he will give "what Tobias wants"

So what does the MM4 show?
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 10:49:59 PM »
that elfangor screwed everything up by landing in the construction site that night lol
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 10:52:56 PM »
It solidifies the whole 'Destiny' thing.
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 10:56:06 PM »
That it was destined that the Animorphs had teh blue box?
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 10:58:38 PM »
I always thought it showed that, no matter how much the Animorphs dislike the war sometimes, if they hadn't gone through that construction site, everything would have been worse.
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 11:00:57 PM »
but that message got screwed up when everything ended up better lol

i think it kinda showed that it wasnt about random kids being thrust into the war, they were born to be heroes, and even though they had no responsibility to fight they did
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 11:02:53 PM »
Well, most of them were born to be heroes...
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 11:05:28 PM »
How did things end up better? Tobias was a Controller, Marco was dead, everyone else also, presumably ended up dead and open war was waged on earth, which the humans were absolutely not prepared for. In all reality, if that timeline had been kept intact the war would have been lost.

MM4, IMO, shows that the Animorphs have to fight the war, or else all is lost. Granted, that message is exclusively for the readers and does absolutely ZERO to advance the plot or character development in the series, since none of the Ani's remember it ever happening (kinda like #11...).
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 11:41:34 PM »
na, the book ends with crayak freezing time after ax, cassie, rachel and jake managed to get into the blade ship and activate some kind of self destruct or something that would have ended the war, at least thats how i remember it...RE-READ AHOY!
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 11:55:47 PM »
Quote from: Terenia on June 04, 2008, 11:05:28 PM
How did things end up better? Tobias was a Controller, Marco was dead, everyone else also, presumably ended up dead and open war was waged on earth, which the humans were absolutely not prepared for. In all reality, if that timeline had been kept intact the war would have been lost.

MM4, IMO, shows that the Animorphs have to fight the war, or else all is lost. Granted, that message is exclusively for the readers and does absolutely ZERO to advance the plot or character development in the series, since none of the Ani's remember it ever happening (kinda like #11...).
Exactly!  It shows that they really do need to keep fighting....what is the point of any AU? It's like asking what's the point of what the angel shows the guy in "It's a Wonderful Life," or what the point of the Buffy episode "The Wish" is--it shows how important certain people/events are....

And IMO AUs are the best, I thought MM4 was very interesting...
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 12:09:02 AM »
yea but in its a wonderful life the guy remembers it all afterward so he learns from it, none of them remember mm4, it goes back to when jake makes the decision and drode just doesnt accept it
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 12:09:55 AM »
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na, the book ends with crayak freezing time after ax, cassie, rachel and jake managed to get into the blade ship and activate some kind of self destruct or something that would have ended the war, at least thats how i remember it...RE-READ AHOY!

yup, but the war was still lost. If the Animorphs didn't fight, Jake, Marco, Cassie, Rachel, Tobias Ax all would have died. Most humans would die. Taxxons never became nothlits. Hork Bajir didn't became a free species. Etc.

If they fought, well, you know what happens....
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 12:50:59 AM »
The point of MM4 was simply to piss me off

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It solidifies the whole 'Destiny' thing.

For me that makes it far worse than any filler story, ending or lack of plot advancement ever.

For me the whole thrill was "five random kids who happened to walk through a construction site" and then suddenly this book comes out and oh, surprise, the Ellimist planned this all along and if it hadn't happened they'd experience some weird transdimensional jumps that results in Armageddon?
No. Bad bad bad bad bad.
I like the book I like the story, up until that Ellimist appears I like it. But the idea of inescapable destiny is both disgusting and horrifying to me.
So yeah. MM4 is to make me go grr
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 12:57:53 AM »
maybe...ellimist didnt stack the deck, and crayak just assumed he did cause hes a mean old fart, i dno im just trying to help you out bro lol
okay how about this, the reason that ellimist won, is because he took the time to look into the history of all 6 of the members destined to group together, he didnt actually change anything to put them together, but he saw how special they all were, whereas crayak, a cold calculator, just saw the numbers game, 6 against a million, um dur, and thats why he didnt see that the animorphs had all this going for them
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Re: What's the point of MM4?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 01:01:58 AM »
I appreciate the effort man, but the fact that the ellimist came in and giggled "hehehe I stacked the deck, ain't I a stinker?" kinda overrides that theory.
But the point is while taken; live in denial. I can do that
Yep Ellimist wasn't even aware of them till book 7
Yeah. Right
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