What's the point of MM4?

[Terenia]

Insert a "hero" gene into 5 people being born in the area?

[CounterInstinct]

Hmm.. figures that those 5 children were all coincidences... Since the Ellimist was only allowed small changes (hence giving morphing power to 5 random kids). Choosing who those kids were and make them live together in one town was probably too much. Also, creating their existence is already way over the line.

[Terenia]

Well, Tobias had to be part of it, so maybe Ellimist just chose Tobias and by luck the others were all around too???

[wolfev]

Well think about it.
Marco's mom was Visser 1
Marco's best friend was Jake whose brother was a high ranking controller and liked Cassie
Rachel was Jake's cousin who liked Tobias and was friends with Cassie
Cassie had access to animals
Tobias was Elfangor's son
Rachel sadly is the only one without any real connection to the fight other than she was a bridge to Cassie    for Jake and she was a good fighter.
Ax is just there because he is Elfangor's brother.
Also if you notice when the Animorphs start messing with the Ellimist's original plan by making changes to the group, everything seems to go haywire.

[zaprowsdower]

The Ellimist says all that in Ch.29.

[RYTX]

*While continuing to deny the Ellimist involvement in the groups forming:*
You got the relations to Elfangor, yeah, Visser One's host's kid,
Cassie because of being "sub-temporily grounded" or whatever
And Jake and Rachel as two strong figures to lead the fight.

The question isn't really so much why he chose these people, it's how he got away with it in the rules of the game, without Crayak just smashing them with a meteor in retaliation. And when he did this of course, reminiscant of the time line convergences shown to Elfangor in TAC
Okay well then
*goes back to denying the Ellimist's role in group formation"

[zaprowsdower]

Read, like, the next-to-last chapter of TAC, and then Ch. 29 of MM4.
Dare you deny SCRIPTURE?!

[RYTX]

Yes
Yes I do
especially because of TAC
that is in direction contraction to The book of Rachel, book 7 verse...something, where the Ellimist said everything changes the future
Nothing is decided, and that should include the 6
Like all holy works it contradicts it self

And whatever happened to that Bibliomorphs thing, did anyone finish any of that up ???

[CounterInstinct]

No, the conversation of the Drode and Ellimist was misleading.

"Oh, I see now, I see it now", the Drode said, ignoring Marco, ignoring all of us. "Subtle as always, Ellimist. Your MEDDLING came before, didn't it? bla lba... Elfangor's time shifted san... etc etc..."

"Oh, did I?" The Ellimist laughed. "That would have been clever of me"

it was unclear whether what the drode said was true, or if the Ellimist was just teasing him. Of course, choosing the 5 kids was against the rules. The rules were 5 supposedly random kids, as Drode stated in  Ch. 29.

You can't deny the scriptures.... 

Plus, in book 7, the Ellimist said that he cannot interfere, he cannot decide.

[zaprowsdower]

The Sacred Word of KA is not contradictory, we mere human fans just fail to comprehend .

[RYTX]

Yes the Ellimist says he can't interfere
but he does
a lot

He preped the group in advance to include these particular people.
What the drode said was true, the deck was stacked, and the Ellimist did tease him. cause he got away with it.

The Ellimist was involved from the start. That's made clear in TAC, and 26 where he talks about how Jake had encountered Crayak (book 6) and the Ellimist mentions that Crayak knew the Ellimist had made himself known to him, though he didn't present himself till book 7. The same book where he admits that he can't control or predict, or event truely manipulate the future as planned. the future is not ineviatble, a million thing could change and result in a trillion more changes.

Plus, have you ever read the enormous list of KASU's out there.
Yeah, there are plenty of contradictions.

[zaprowsdower]

Blame the disciples aka publishers .

[CounterInstinct]

yes, but even if the Ellimist supposedly chose these 5 kids, he still didn't have an influence over their actions, right?

[filmstu2005]

No. All he could do was make a small change and then let it all play out for itself, and hope for the best. The Butterfly effect, in more words or less, like stated in The Stranger. Rachel said that the Ellimist has butterflies too. And what did the Ellimist do upon hearing that? He LAUGHED. Which i thought was pretty awkward for him to do, but it confirmed Rachel's theory.

He stacked the deck. That "meddling nitwit" (drode was hilarious) knows he stacked the freakin' deck. And luckily he did. But he let it play out for itself. The good thing about Rachel being in the group but not part of the original plan, is her strength. Both her and Jake were very determined people and I guess we could say they were there to lead the team. Jake leads, Rachel the motivation.

If you notice, all the Animorphs had a special gift or tie to the war. Rachel was the only one lacking in that department. She wasnt a strategist, or an advisor, or tech support. She was the Soldier, plain and simple. And she embraced that position and gave it her all, a total badass.

[sherrilina]

yea but in its a wonderful life the guy remembers it all afterward so he learns from it, none of them remember mm4, it goes back to when jake makes the decision and drode just doesnt accept it

But WE remember--it's for us most of all I think.....

Just like in "The Wish" on Buffy none of the Scoobies remember the AU, but the audience is left knowing how important it was that Buffy came to Sunnydale.....