Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: wolfev on August 23, 2008, 10:25:51 AM
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Okay everyone is always arguing about Rachel dying but I thought I'd take a different approach. Rachel actively chose to take a suicide mission. Don't you think it was wrong for her to put herself in danger's path when she had loved ones such as Tobias and her family. It seems wrong that she would take so many risks over the series, a lot of which were for her own pleasure. She in my opinion had no right to risk her own life when it only caused others to suffer emotionally.
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Is it any different for the alternate Animorph kids?
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Somebody had to stop the Blade Ship escaping and Rachel was always the best fighter. The only other Animorph I could see going on that mission is Ax, and he was needed on the Pool Ship to hack into the computer system. I suppose Jake could have done it himself, but as the leader his absence would have been much more suspicious (not to mention the fact that it would've been hard for him to kill his own brother).
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yea but its all the other risks she took too
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Such as?
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No, I don't blame her. Even though Jake had no plan to get her out, niether of them thought Erik would power down the Pool Ship's guns. That made an impact on how everything turned out.
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Okay everyone is always arguing about Rachel dying but I thought I'd take a different approach. Rachel actively chose to take a suicide mission. Don't you think it was wrong for her to put herself in danger's path when she had loved ones such as Tobias and her family. It seems wrong that she would take so many risks over the series, a lot of which were for her own pleasure. She in my opinion had no right to risk her own life when it only caused others to suffer emotionally.
Whatch'u talkin' 'bout, Willis?!
That's crazy-talk.
World...in peril. Billions of people. We know now there were better options for Jake and Rachel, but from where they were in that point in time, Rachel just did what had to be done. Selfish? Are you in-SAANE? [/Marco voice]
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Someones gotta do the job. Who you gonna call?
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Well technically the blade ship was not a threat to earth. In fact it was not earth's job to catch it in the end but the Andalite Military. The only reason Jake was called in was because the Andalites had a treaty. Also, Rachel constantly went a little too far. She wasn't content with defeat, she wanted annihilation of the yeerks. She would go out of her way to destroy them rather than just defeat them and in doing so put herself in serious danger. She could have still managed to be the best fighter while doing the best to preserve her life for her loved ones. Rachel wasn't just trying to win the war because it was the right thing. She was an adrenaline junkie who needed her fix of danger constantly. She should have seen this darker side of herself (oh and she did in 32) and learned to control it better. If I recall in book 52 she nearly runs over a soldier because she was in a rage.
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You need to go and read all of the books again. All of them. Because, see, Rachel was never half as extreme as you're painting her to be.
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She was about to run over a soldier
That is pretty extreme to me
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You need to go and read all of the books again. All of them. Because, see, Rachel was never half as extreme as you're painting her to be.
Actually she was painted to be that extreme. Check out the opening sequence of MM4 Back to Before. Why the hell was Rachel roaring with crazy frenzy when the battle was over? Bleeding to death and acting like a mad woman? Simply because there were no more Hork-Bajir warriors to fight?
Sounds pretty extreme to me...
Somebody had to stop the Blade Ship escaping and Rachel was always the best fighter.
Just because Rachel was the best fighter, doesn't mean she was the smartest fighter.
In fact, she wasn't. And Jake knew this. I think Jake up there taking on all those Controlomorphs in tiger morph would've worked out better. At least he knew how to lead himself in battle. And he could think up a strategy to make it work, as he usually does. But Rachel was never a smart fighter, and sending her alone on that kind of mission was pointless, and an excuse for KA to kill her off. Like we argued many times before, its not like one of the Auxiliary Animorphs couldn't have accompanied Rachel. There was no excuses for Jake not to ask them, no excuse at all. It could've worked. But oh well.
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What "strategy" is really required in stowing away on a spaceship and eventually bursting out into view and smashing some heads together? That's exactly the kind of thing Rachel was good at. Ax and Marco were needed on strategic terms, and Jake seemed to like to keep Cassie and Tobias with the main group, a certain reliance on them.
That doesn't make Rachel any less "smart". And she knew she was the one to go. Jake's "secret weapon he hoped he'd never have to use" as he mentioned a few times throughout the series. Turned out he eventually had to use her. Because war is hell, and doesn't play out the way you ever expect or want it to.
Basically K.A.'s whole point with the ending. And if anyone's to be blamed for what went down on Tom's hijacked Bladeship, it's Jake and not Rachel.
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She is to blame because she should have seen that the mission was not necessary and that it was wrong to put herself in a suicide situation when she loved Tobias and knew he would be destroyed if she was killed. Its all her reckless behavior that got her into those bad situations.
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Wait Wait, wolfev...you are contradicting yourself here. You say she was insane and crazy and war driven, yet you are also saying she should've had the foresight to step down from an absolutely crazy, insane, suicidal mission?
If she was as bad as you say, then there is never the day she would say no to that kind of mission. She wanted to destroy the yeerks, as you say, and this was the way to get it done.
I agree about the auxilary animorphs maybe going along, but alas, it was a suicide mission. No reason to kill more good guys than necessary.
As I go back and reread the series over and over again, I am beginning to realize that the ending was perfect. I hated it at first, but I am now more knowledgeable in the series and understand now all the beautiful justice in it all.
She kills Tom, then she dies.
Jake sees it all, with his own eyes.
The Blade Ship escapes,
the yeerks no longer enslave,
and Rachel is honored for being brave.
Poetic and righteous.
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She kills Tom, then she dies.
Jake sees it all, with his own eyes.
The Blade Ship escapes,
the yeerks no longer enslave,
and Rachel is honored for being brave.
Poetic and righteous.
and in poem form. impressive.
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I agree about the auxilary animorphs maybe going along, but alas, it was a suicide mission. No reason to kill more good guys than necessary.
As previously stated many times, it wasn't strictly a suicide mission. Therefore there was no reason not to send and auxiliary or two (who ended up on the real suicide mission anyway).
You need to go and read all of the books again. All of them. Because, see, Rachel was never half as extreme as you're painting her to be.
Actually she was painted to be that extreme. Check out the opening sequence of MM4 Back to Before. Why the hell was Rachel roaring with crazy frenzy when the battle was over? Bleeding to death and acting like a mad woman? Simply because there were no more Hork-Bajir warriors to fight?
Actually she was painted very inconsistently. Sometimes she was all raging and crazy, at other times she was completely rational and even insightful.
She is to blame because she should have seen that the mission was not necessary and that it was wrong to put herself in a suicide situation when she loved Tobias and knew he would be destroyed if she was killed. Its all her reckless behavior that got her into those bad situations.
Someone had to do it. You can't blame her for doing what Jake asked so no one else would have to.
As I go back and reread the series over and over again, I am beginning to realize that the ending was perfect. I hated it at first, but I am now more knowledgeable in the series and understand now all the beautiful justice in it all.
Despite the poetry, I disagree. It was just an excuse to kill someone off because the author couldn't figure out how to get her message across in a more appropriate way. Sure there are casualties in war but if that was her point then characters should have been dying the entire series not just at the end.
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When I say insane I don't mean purely psychotic. She was crazy and war driven but throughout the series it was quite clear that though she had rational foresight to realize she was going into dangerous missions. That's why I blame her, she let herself get out of hand. She knew she was going on a suicide mission. The mission wasn't really necessary actually since the blade ship was really no direct threat to earth. Jake just had her destroy it because he was out for revenge against Tom's yeerk. I know Rachel would have thought this over but still did what she did because she couldn't help controlling herself when it came to violence. She wanted more and instead of saying to herself "enough" she chose a suicide mission. Have you all considered that you are just defending Rachel because you are biased towards her character. The girl was no saint. She was a very strong character at times aggressive and ruthless. She could be incredibly hateful especially for someone who herself was not directly affected by the war unlike Jake, Tobias, and Marco. One of her few redeeming characteristics was her loving Tobias and she proved that it was not equal to her love of battle because if she loved him more she would not have taken the mission. Rachel was killed almost for no reason other than that Jake wanted to take out Tom's yeerk. Remember that no one else in the group knew about Rachel's mission. Even though they knew nothing of it they expressed no concern over the blade ship for the most of the time. This shows that they knew there was no threat by the blade ship. Rachel could have easily seen this but chosen not to go on the blade ship if she thought the situation through and I think that she did.
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She knew she was going on a suicide mission.
Again, it wasn't a suicide mission. Not without the benefit of hindsight.
The mission wasn't really necessary actually since the blade ship was really no direct threat to earth. Jake just had her destroy it because he was out for revenge against Tom's yeerk.
Great point actually. For some reason this never really occurred to me. There was no reason to go after the bladeship (it's one ship! they or the andalites could have gotten it later). But this error in judgement lays at Jake's feet, not Rachel's. Only made more pathetic by the fact that he wouldn't finish off this personal vendetta himself.
However, is Rachel blameless? No. You are right there. It would have been interesting to see what Jake would have done if Rachel had refused...
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Ok, I'll rephrase it. In MY opinion, it was a suicide mission. You send someone ALONE onto a Blade Ship to kill one of the higher ranking yeerks in the area, who will be surrounded by other hork-bajir and controllers with dracon beams, how is that NOT suicide? Even if you can bargain with them or whatever, they will kill her.
And I'm not arguing Rachel's characteristics. All I'm saying is if she is as wreckless as some posters here are making her seem, why would she ever turn down this mission?
And in terms of the ending being KA's way of killing someone off and sending a message...I don't care if KA herself says that that is what it was all about. I don't take it that way, it is my right as a member of the audience to take the ending however I want. And it certainly has nothing to do with KA or her wishes.
I can't even explain it in words. I just like the ending and the whole series much better now that I am 7 years older than I was when I read it originally. I still cried when I reread those final chapters. And I will the next time I do a reread as well. But this time, it was tears of joy and closure and not tears of agony and hatred.
But whatever, I'm not trying to argue with anyone.
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She was reckless but by choice. She could have thought it out and chosen it anyway or she could have chosen to be reckless and not thought anything over. The point is this was her choice that she ended up in her final situation. She had plenty of time in the series to see what she was becoming and stop it but in the end she chose that she was going to be reckless and put herself in danger. And I'm not just blaming her aswell. Jake deserves a lot of the credit for killing Rachel. I wonder if there was more going on there than we thought. Maybe Jake was trying to kill Rachel because he thought she couldn't function in society.
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Maybe Jake was trying to kill Rachel because he thought she couldn't function in society.
Maybe but that doesn't sound like Jake. I think it's more likely that he just got distracted by his desire to kill Tom rather than letting him escape and didn't care what he had to sacrifice.
Ok, I'll rephrase it. In MY opinion, it was a suicide mission.
She was a backup plan. Ideally she shouldn't have even had to be used (and likely they thought she wouldn't have been if not for Erik). Therefore not a suicide mission. It wasn't a situation where there was no way out. It ended up becoming that but that is irrelevant to determining whether it was a suicide mission. This has been discussed at length elsewhere. If you're interested go find it.
And in terms of the ending being KA's way of killing someone off and sending a message...I don't care if KA herself says that that is what it was all about. I don't take it that way, it is my right as a member of the audience to take the ending however I want. And it certainly has nothing to do with KA or her wishes.
Uh, what?
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on the original question; it's here live. yes it sucks when someone takes loses their life, but if you decide that there is something worth your life, worth more than how it's cherished by others, it is yours to do away with. is it grim? yes, selfish? yes, totally within your rights? Yes
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I'm not interested in bickering back and forth with you wotw. You can break down posts all you want and try to prove people wrong, not my style. BTW, it's Erek, not Erik......
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I'm not "breaking down" i'm analyzing. Isn't that the whole point of discussion? Apparently not. Sorry if raising objections to your points offends you but tough. That's the whole point of a forum.
Thank you, however, for the correction.
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People always have different opinions on what is a reason for doing something. I choose to use a forum as a way to see other people's opinions and to voice my own. I do not see it as a place to analyze other people's opinions and object to them. All that does is lead to bickering, rudeness, misunderstanding, condescension, and people "smiting" other people. The reason for that is the fact that many, many people feel emotionally strong about their opinions, and when challenged, either feel threatened, angry, or feel the need to respond in a way that makes the other person seem wrong.
If you choose to use the forum as a place to object other people's opinions, that is fine. I wouldn't think to tell you not to; however, I will not participate in the same actions. Sorry for any misunderstanding that may have occured through my posts..past or present.
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Ok, not looking for a lecture.
The whole point of objecting (i.e. debating) is to find out why a person holds a certain belief. If they give a good explanation it allows me to see why/how they are coming to certain conclusions. This can subsequently point out errors in my own thought process (I've found more than a few in my days on RAF already). Why bother thinking at all if your not willing to explore those thoughts and the process behind them?
All that does is lead to bickering, rudeness, misunderstanding, condescension, and people "smiting" other people.
Not if you deal with people mature enough to stick to the subject and avoid personal attacks such as:
You can break down posts all you want and try to prove people wrong, not my style.
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Wow.
Jake killed Rachel on purpose because he thought she couldn't function in society after the war without killing people? Um...
Ooo-kay. Moving on.
I don't personally see it as a suicide mission, just an insanely dangerous one that Jake and Rachel felt had to be done. It really wasn't any more dangerous than what the Animorphs group did on a weekly basis, only difference being that they couldn't go in as a group. The others were needed elsewhere.
As for the point of Rachel's depiction as psycho-killer in the later books, you've got to remember that most of those were ghost-written. Katherine herself had a very different way of writing her, with more subtlety and depth. That came back through some of the inner monologue stuff and the Ellimist scene in the final books, but the ghostwriters either didn't have the chops to write her correctly, or just changed her on purpose to explore those themes of limitation and being pushed over the edge.
Through the MAJORITY of the series Rachel never went any further than the other kids except in situations that were absolutely understandable. She wanted to kill Taylor after she'd almost tortured Tobias beyond saving. She attacked that phalanx of Hork-Bajir head-on without a care in the world because she couldn't SEE in her bear morph and thought they were human.
Hell, if you want to get that far into this, CASSIE demanded that Fenestre be wasted in #16. That's any different...how?
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I forget what war it was, but the military used blow up tanks and vehicles. A person would go under the tank and carry it in order to distract the enemy and force them to bomb the decoys. This is a suicide mission, undoubltedly, but it allowed for the greater mission to be completed. Jake asked her to go. If he asked someone else, and they got killed, would we ask the same question and call it selfish?
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As for the point of Rachel's depiction as psycho-killer in the later books, you've got to remember that most of those were ghost-written. Katherine herself had a very different way of writing her, with more subtlety and depth. That came back through some of the inner monologue stuff and the Ellimist scene in the final books, but the ghostwriters either didn't have the chops to write her correctly, or just changed her on purpose to explore those themes of limitation and being pushed over the edge.
Through the MAJORITY of the series Rachel never went any further than the other kids except in situations that were absolutely understandable. She wanted to kill Taylor after she'd almost tortured Tobias beyond saving. She attacked that phalanx of Hork-Bajir head-on without a care in the world because she couldn't SEE in her bear morph and thought they were human.
Bravo. Exactly what I wanted to say but so much more eloquent!
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you seriously consider that a personal attack??
Wow...I knew there was a reason I hated internet forums.
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wait...there are non-internet forums? that's new news.
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I know I'm new and all, but you really didn't know there are non-internet forums? People sit down all the time in small groups or even larger groups to discuss topics. They call it a forum. It is true.
By the way, I love the animorphs and I think this site is amazing. I just found it cuz a friend e-mailed me the link!
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I have like a bunch of views on this.
You could blame Rachel because she could've said no. 1
You could blame Jake because he asked. 2
You could blame Erek for shutting off the lasers. 3
You could blame Tom's Yeerk for morphing rattle-snake and biting her thus, weakening her and forcing her to demorph. 4 this is one I believe.
You could blame the Yeerk who morphed Polar Bear and killed her. 5 This is one of the ones i believe most.
You could blame Tom for becoming a member of the Sharing. 6
You could blame no one at all because it's JUST A BOOK SERIES!!!!! 7 This one I don't really believe all that much but I just put it up because no one remembered that fact.
You could blame Tobias, Cassie, Marco, or Ax for not figuring out what was going on sooner. 8
You could blame the Ellimist because he didn't bring her back. 9
You could blame Crayak because he's just a jerk. 10
That last one is because he is helping to play that stupid game of life. And he's not on our side.
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You could blame no one at all because it's JUST A BOOK SERIES!!!!! 7 This one I don't really believe all that much but I just put it up because no one remembered that fact.
who says? I remembered it, just didn't bother mentioning it here because there were plenty of other threads about the ending and rachel's death.
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you seriously consider that a personal attack??
Wow...I knew there was a reason I hated internet forums.
And how exactly did your comment address any of my points? Oh wait, it didn't. You went after my method of posting...seems pretty personal to me. You started this, maybe you should just let it die already. Or maybe you should just be more careful with the things you write.
By the way, I love the animorphs and I think this site is amazing. I just found it cuz a friend e-mailed me the link!
If you haven't already, you should post in the welcome section. But welcome anyway!
You could blame no one at all because it's JUST A BOOK SERIES!!!!! 7 This one I don't really believe all that much but I just put it up because no one remembered that fact.
Lol, that's a dangerous thing to say on a site like this. It's good you don't really believe it... ;D
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I partly believe it. I believe blame no one, but not because it's just a book series.
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because it's just a book series.
Yeah, that was the part I was talking about. Not many people on this site would call it "just a book series"
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I certainly wouldn't call it that. I would call it a masterpiece! Lol!
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She did her duty in my opinion. It was a glorious fireworks filled exit for the one animorph who would of loved it most. In an earlier book I seem to remember Jake saying Rachel would be the only one who would miss the war if it all ended the next day. I really do believe that. And while it is sad that she left her love behind, her best friend and her family. She went down in the only way I see fit for such a fighter of her stature. In the thick of it all and going down swinging. I shed a tear and smiled when I realized her journey was at and end.
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She enjoyed the adrenaline rush and the sense of purpose, NOT the combat. I'm barely restraining myself from saying "DUH!" here.
Almost every single one of the Katherine-written books deals with that balance. The ghostwriters turned her into a gymnastic shopping Punisher, but that was limited between the books in the late 20's-40's. That's not Rachel. That's ghostwriters not paying enough attention to the character they were being paid to write.
Rachel could live without the war. She'd just have to take up bungee jumping or extreme snowboarding or something as a hobby.
The entire thing with Rachel is that she was a smart, moral, strong-willed kid who was about the one and only person who didn't give a crap about her looks, she didn't even care. She was pigeonholed into that tall blonde ditzy mallcrawler stereotype, and loved the idea that the Animorphs gave her a chance to reach her potential, to live an IMPORTANT life where she could use that inner strength in the same way Jake could.
There's much more of a nuance there than "Rachel liked beating people up, so she'd go crazy without the war." That's really really ignorant of basically every single one of the Rachel-narrated Katherine books.
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She enjoyed the adrenaline rush and the sense of purpose, NOT the combat. I'm barely restraining myself from saying "DUH!" here.
Almost every single one of the Katherine-written books deals with that balance. The ghostwriters turned her into a gymnastic shopping Punisher, but that was limited between the books in the late 20's-40's. That's not Rachel. That's ghostwriters not paying enough attention to the character they were being paid to write.
Rachel could live without the war. She'd just have to take up bungee jumping or extreme snowboarding or something as a hobby.
The entire thing with Rachel is that she was a smart, moral, strong-willed kid who was about the one and only person who didn't give a crap about her looks, she didn't even care. She was pigeonholed into that tall blonde ditzy mallcrawler stereotype, and loved the idea that the Animorphs gave her a chance to reach her potential, to live an IMPORTANT life where she could use that inner strength in the same way Jake could.
There's much more of a nuance there than "Rachel liked beating people up, so she'd go crazy without the war." That's really really ignorant of basically every single one of the Rachel-narrated Katherine books.
Do I sense a disgust with the ghostwriters? If so, I share it to some extent. Rachel is the clearest case of character distortion...
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No disgust with the idea of ghostwriters helping to write a series, no. Not ghostwriters in general. I just feel like the ghostwriters for this particular series didn't live up to the quality of the titled scribed by K.A. and Michael themselves. Especially with Rachel, but they simplified the other characters a great deal too, almost caricatures of themselves.
Rachel suffered the most in the 30's/40's books, though. Totally butchered.
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yeah i hated the fact that it wasn't all k.a. writing it. the ghostwriters did not do such a great job. i saw a ton of screwups. especially when in one of cassie's books, she says..."we all headed for Cassie's barn.".....uh...Cassie is you! Lol
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goin back to the topic at hand, I really liked how Rachel was brave enough to do the mission. Sure it was stupid, and maybe even kind of pointless. But she was so courageous and brave. She never backed down, which is what I admired about her. Even though Ax was my favorite character, (is that strange?), Rachel was a close 2nd.
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um, next time, if you have more to say, just click modify and modify your post instead of double posting.
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well, i didn't feel like dealing with another page loading, as I have the quick reply window opened already. so i just typed again without having to go through all that work.
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Nothing wrong with double posting. I do it sometimes.
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geez..what's with all the smiting? someone likes to hold grudges?
haha. I'm an Animorphs fan through and through. I thought this would be a site where Animorphs fans come together and talk about the series and how great it was. Apparently some people are only interested in arguing and smiting others. ouch.
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geez..what's with all the smiting? someone likes to hold grudges?
haha. I'm an Animorphs fan through and through. I thought this would be a site where Animorphs fans come together and talk about the series and how great it was. Apparently some people are only interested in arguing and smiting others. ouch.
I think it's time you get off your soap box and drop it. Smart people don't congregate simply to agree on things. Sorry.
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I don't know, guys. I thinks this might be one of those times when you can't really blame anyone for what happened in the last book. Rachel did take on a risky mission, but someone had to do it. I think Rachel's character contributed to the events in the last book, but so did all the Animorphs, the Yeerks, and who ever else was in the story did so as well by either making a decision or choosing not to make a decision. That makes it hard to place the blame on just one character. I think authors and directors do that sort of stuff alot. It makes you think about the movie or book more when it is less clear who you can blame.
And then they sell more books!
And make more $$$ ;)
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I didn't know we were all supposed to be smart wotw....that's besides the point. Obviously someone has a grudge against me as I'm being smited 2 times a day. I never said we are all supposed to agree about everything, but you are quite the hostile one, aren't you?
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what is with all this smiting and stuff? how do you "smite" someone?
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I didn't know we were all supposed to be smart wotw....that's besides the point. Obviously someone has a grudge against me as I'm being smited 2 times a day. I never said we are all supposed to agree about everything, but you are quite the hostile one, aren't you?
I have yet to encounter anyone on this site who wouldn't qualify "smart" (yourself included). Willingness to read anything is usually indicative of intelligence.
I have no grudge against you but I don't appreciate personal uncalled for attacks. Stay on topic and we will never have a problem again.
I am actually almost never hostile (except during hockey games when people get whiny about contact - It's HOCKEY! I mean come on!).
You should, however, work on your conflict resolution skills. Constantly provoking people with things like...
but you are quite the hostile one, aren't you?
is unwise and inappropriate. Frankly, it deserves a smiting or two. And if you can't debate someone who disagrees with you civilly, perhaps you should be more careful about stating your own beliefs.
If you let this drop I won't smite you again. I would appreciate you doing the same as I have done absolutely nothing to you. I've so far given you pretty much one smite for every off topic response.
Let it drop.
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seriously guys..what is smiting!? how come I can't do it?
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what is with all this smiting and stuff? how do you "smite" someone?
Look under the person's name on the left hand side of their post. It says "Karma" beneath the name and "applaud" or "smite" underneath that.
If someone makes a particularly good point you applaud them (gives them a +1 to the count under their name). If someone insults you or steps out of line you can smite them giving them a -1.
You can smite/applaud someone once every 2 hours.
Some people care about their scores, some don't.
Hope that is clear. ;D
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Yes it is clear, but I don't have that option! Is it cuz I'm still new?
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Yes it is clear, but I don't have that option! Is it cuz I'm still new?
No...you should have it as far as I know. I remember having it as soon as I signed up...
Might want to ask Richard in the "Suggestions/Feedback/Issue" forum at the bottom of the mainpage.
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cool thanks..it sounds like an interesting concept and I don't want to miss out on it!
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Lol, definitely. But be careful in case you get mixed up in a problem like I'm unfortunately in at the moment (see above). Just always try to be nice even when you're disagreeing and stay on topic, away from personal attacks.
i.e. think about what you type before you post...
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ok. thanks for the heads up!
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Yes it is clear, but I don't have that option! Is it cuz I'm still new?
Hm... I don't see it either. I didn't even know there was such a thing.
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Yes it is clear, but I don't have that option! Is it cuz I'm still new?
No...you should have it as far as I know. I remember having it as soon as I signed up...
Might want to ask Richard in the "Suggestions/Feedback/Issue" forum at the bottom of the mainpage.
you sure? I didn't get it when I was still a newbie.
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hmm...i have it now! lol.
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yeah, but now you're a jr. member. jr. members can applaud and smite.
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*sings the 'Back On Topic' hoe-down, dances a little jig* Yeeee-haw.
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Rachel did take on a risky mission, but someone had to do it.
But did someone really have to? Was the Blade ship that much of a threat that they couldn't have gotten it later?
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Uh...probably, yes. Especially with a wiley crafty leader like Tom's Yeerk at the helm. The humans certainly couldn't have tracked him down, and once in Z-Space the Andalites could probably only by chance.
And we know a Blade Ship turned the tide in the initial battle with the Dome/Pool ships in book #1, so they're pretty freakin' substantially powerful.
Tom could absolutely not get away, it was just a matter of how to do it. Rachel was the obvious choice, and both she and Jake knew it. No wrong decision made there whatsoever.
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Ok, good point. I guess they couldn't take the chance that the blade ship would stick around and fight (though it seemed more likely they would have fled - pool ship v. blade ship?)
But I seriously doubt a single ship of Yeerks (which still got away anyway) could have made that much trouble. And they found them again later anyway.
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Smart people don't congregate simply to agree on things. Sorry.
Nor do they get together and insult each other.
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Smart people don't congregate simply to agree on things. Sorry.
Nor do they get together and insult each other.
Have you ever watched a political campaign?
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No one ever accused politicians of being smart.
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Joking aside, most are. Honest, no. Smart, usually yes.
How about you don't try to restart an old argument that has finally stopped.
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No one ever accused politicians of being smart.
Yeah. Those lowly Harvard graduate simpletons. I totally hate them. SO dumb.
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You could blame no one at all because it's JUST A BOOK SERIES!!!!! 7 This one I don't really believe all that much but I just put it up because no one remembered that fact.
who says? I remembered it, just didn't bother mentioning it here because there were plenty of other threads about the ending and rachel's death.
I meant no one remembered to put it up
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HECK NO!!! WHAT HAS GOTTEN INTO YOU??!???! blame the stupid author! I HATE you applegate! I hate applegate! also jake. I HATE YOU JAKE! hmm... who to send on a suicide mission. the predicted to be single the rest of his life emotionless insulting dweeb? or someones true love? POOR JUDGEMENT! oh, you know who else is responsible... the idiot who set up this entire bogus set of lousy stupid rules. that #$%&ING %#&% the CRYAK! I hate the cryak! I hate him! you know who invented him? you know who's hand wrote out the last breath of the most loved character in the history of written languages. DIE APPLEGATE! DIE! DIE! DIE! WHHHHHYYYY would she even DO such a thing? what could she POSSIBLY GAIN from such a STUPID ENDING? HATRED! THATS BASICALLY IT! I HATE YOU APPLEGATE! I WILL HATE YOU FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER!!!!
this is called ranting. it can reduce the pressure of the human skull to avoid catastrophic failure. it is necessary for my survival. thank you for listening.