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Title: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Andalite_Shorm on September 06, 2011, 02:57:01 PM
SPOILER FOR LAST BOOK!![spoiler]Did you like the ending of The Beginning? I don't know, I mean, it was ok, for me... Just seemed to all rush up suddenly. I certainly liked the Rachel dying twist, but as for what happened to the cube...:/ it's debatable...[/spoiler] So, what did you think?
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Blazing Angel on September 06, 2011, 07:08:53 PM
I loved eveything in the series. Except the ending. What really ticked me off was the letter that she wrote at the end, promoting her next series. And a cliff hanger is only tends to only work if theirs a chance of things going either way. To me, they would have died no matter what due to what happens when your in space, while wearing nothing but street clothes. Unless the ellimist straight up threw away the rules of the game and rescued them, they were dead.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Snakie on September 06, 2011, 08:51:03 PM
I was fine with it.

Of course, I only read the ending after restarting the entire series years after originally being a huge fan.  So even when I read the final book, I was enjoying the series from a nostalgic perspective.

Of course I want to know what happened to them and what "The One" was, but overall I was satisfied enough that the Yeerks were defeated, even if it wasn't all rosy for the Animorphs afterwards.

The humiliation of Visser One was pretty nice.  I preferred it to a death for him.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Chad32 on September 06, 2011, 09:36:47 PM
I didn't. I've explained why multiple times. I did read someone post that KA was a bad writer because of the ending if memory serves. I disagree with that. I think she's good when she's interested in a series. I think it's clear by the end that she had lost interest, and the series suffered for it.

Obviously the series in general has problems here and there, even if you only look at the KA written books. She's not the greatest writer ever, but she's quite good. Great even. I just didn't like the ending. Not when I first read it, and not now.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: NateSean on September 07, 2011, 10:56:53 AM
I had no problem with it.

1: It went out the way it came in.

2: KA handed us an entire concept to play with in our fanfiction universes. Entire tomes have been written about the Kelbird war, etc. KA has done nothing but server her readers since day one and that ending was just that. It was open ended so that we, the fans, could continue the series' spirit.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: esplin on September 07, 2011, 01:34:01 PM
I didn't. I've explained why multiple times. I did read someone post that KA was a bad writer because of the ending if memory serves. I disagree with that. I think she's good when she's interested in a series. I think it's clear by the end that she had lost interest, and the series suffered for it.

Obviously the series in general has problems here and there, even if you only look at the KA written books. She's not the greatest writer ever, but she's quite good. Great even. I just didn't like the ending. Not when I first read it, and not now.

I saw some posts on this very forum where the Animorphs writing team admitted to being busy with other stuff while Animorphs was going on.  They forgot what they even wrote about and never thought of the things we did.  They seemed surprised people still cared about the series at all.

Are those the words of people who are interested in this?
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: SkyMorpher on September 12, 2011, 11:38:08 PM
I wasn't thrilled with it, but if there's a chance to save them, I can live with it in that form. It is true that she at least didn't make it totally definite that they died.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: ko ko on September 13, 2011, 01:45:16 AM
when i was a little kid, i absolutely hated it. i also hadn't read the entire series when i read the ending, so i remember being very confused.

on the other hand, as an adult, having gone and bought the entire series and reread it in full and in order, i love the ending. sure, there are still questions and a few loose ends, but what really needed to be answered was finalized. things happened as they should imho
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: RAFrukh on September 13, 2011, 08:50:46 AM
I wasn't thrilled with it, but if there's a chance to save them, I can live with it in that form. It is true that she at least didn't make it totally definite that they died.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Blazing Angel on September 13, 2011, 09:24:36 AM
The only chance is ellimist and the only things he could do would count as direct interference.They were wearing normal clothes. Even a tiny hole in the ship would cause the normal vacuum effect. Anybody who's finished portal 2 knows what I'm talkin about.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: jjwolf624 on September 14, 2011, 07:08:11 PM
WHY DID RACHEL HAVE TO DIE!! :huh: :huh: :huh:  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: AllyVP on October 25, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
The Animorphs series was never a bunnies-and-rainbows-everything-works-out type of story.  And I think that she defended her writing wonderfully in her letter to the fans that didn't like it.  The gist: one war usually leads to another.  Tom was right, wars are never fought with clean hands.  And people die. 

For all of them to get through the whole thing unscathed and come out perfectly well-adjusted human beings was just unrealistic.  How many war vets do you know that are at least partially shattered by what they have gone through?  How many do you know that moved past it with absolutely no baggage? 

Jake was a child when the war began, he was an adult when it ended.  And yet, he had spent so much of what I will call his adult life--his life as a commander--pretending to be the average kid that he didn't know how to deal with peace.  It wasn't like Rachel, to whom the war was like a drug, because he didn't want it.  But he didn't know how to live without it. 

So, yes, I thought the ending was appropriate, fitting, thought-provoking, and bittersweet.  Not happy, of course, but it was a war story after all.  If you expected it to end happily than you should research the wars that have been fought through our own history.  Name one that ended happily.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Chad32 on October 26, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
World War 2.

People seem to think there's no gray area between what we have, and happy rainbows and congradulatory handshakes. I wouldn't expect the Anis to come out without issues to work on for the remainder of their lives, but KA did a bad job of portraying Rachel as someone who couldn't manage without the war. Not that any of us expected the whole world to be at peace and there be no crime or fighting forever after either.

We didn't need an ending where most of the Anis are most likely dead. and guess what? A lot of people cling to the hope that Jake and the others lived, becuse having everyone but Cassie die would suck balls.

The series should have stuck with the theme of hope, instead of going with the anvilicious War is Hell. We all know war is generally bad. We don't need it pounded into us like anyone who read the books didn't know it already.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: yunyun on October 26, 2011, 02:20:02 PM
I think the ending was ok. I didn't hate it but i didn't love it either. I just really disliked how Rachel died and the others go on a suicide mission and leaves Cassie behind
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Post by: Funky Poacher on October 26, 2011, 08:36:14 PM
Yes. I liked every bit of it. Though, really, I think more of the main characters should have died. I really don't see the problem people have with the ending.
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Post by: Noelle on October 26, 2011, 09:11:08 PM
I'll admit I wasn't a huge fan of the ending.  But I will admit, it was more of a "WUT?!  No I need to know what happens!" hate than a "wow that was stupid." Hate.  I clung on to a lot of hope that the ending meant that there was going to be a sequel series.


Who knows, maybe the re-release will lead to a sequel?  At the very least it lead to a whole series of fanfics in my head.  XD
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Post by: yunyun on October 26, 2011, 09:42:27 PM
Whats WUT supposed to mean?

And the re release is only re releasing the old ones. Theyre not adding new books to animorphs
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Blazing Angel on October 26, 2011, 09:46:12 PM
I wish *daydreams*
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Noelle on October 26, 2011, 10:26:32 PM
"Wut" is just slang for "what."  =P   And its too bad she won't continue the series.  :(  Oh well.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: perseusjackson16 on November 30, 2011, 08:23:36 PM
Imo opinion Animorphs is much better than the Remnants, so I don't understand how she could have just lost interest in it. I really disliked how the book ended. I just don't like cliffhangers. Give me a bad ending anyday, but at least it's closure. I also think there should def. be a sequel because the end was almost like introducing more antagonists and I thought as I read the book that there were definetly not enough pages for her to end the book well. Also sad that Rachel had to die, if there had to b a suicide mission someone shoulda gone with her. Considering by herself she wrecked the entire crew, What could 2 people have done o.O?
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Gumby on November 30, 2011, 09:00:17 PM
Did I like the ending?

Oh Gods, NO!

I can UNDERSTAND the reasoning behind it, but just NO. I did not like it and will NEVER like it. I WANT a happy ending, I wanted Tobias and Rachel to get married, and I wanted a damn happy ending! When I read a book I'm there for a thrilling journey and for entertainment, not to see all my hopes dashed by a cruel cliff-hanger.


GAAARGH! *Rants in anger*
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Chad32 on November 30, 2011, 11:41:12 PM
Welcome to the club, Shion. It's a real slap in the face seeing a main character die right at the end for cheap drama, with the author knowing s/he doesn't have to deal with any consequences afterwards because it's the last book/episode.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: NateSean on December 01, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
It's not like Animorphs is the first series where 99% of the characters die.

Forever Knight comes to mind. Even though it's off screen, it's largely assumed that Lacroix killed Nick.

Besides, all we see at the very end of the book is "Ram the Bladeship" and a note from the author saying it ended on a big bang. She didn't say, "and the characters died in a fiery explosion, never to be heard from again. But that's okay because I have all of your money."

She left it open ended so that fanfiction writers could basically decide for themsleves what officially happened.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Gumby on December 01, 2011, 10:56:59 AM
I don't like it where most of the main characters die though, and I really hate having US decide if they lived or died.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: NateSean on December 01, 2011, 11:25:56 AM
At that point it's a matter of perspective. I personally hate being spoonfed. Growing up, whenever I read a story, I spent hours speculating about the characters and wondering what happened that the author didn't cover.

It's like fans of Doctor Who who wonder if he only has one more regeneration to go or if he's going to somehow get new ones and live on. Personally, I think the Doctor has lived for a lot longer than we see on screen which is how we get the dramas, the comics, and the books and such. So it's plausible that even though Colin Baker's doctor was only on screen for two years, that the Sixth Doctor has been in existence for much longer.

Similarly, maybe Jake, Marco and Tobias died along with Ax in a collision. Maybe the One decided to use the vastness of space to maybe not allow the Rachel to smash into it. Maybe the Kelbrid swoop in and ask what the eff is going on?
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: esplin on December 01, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
These are my counterpoints for the people arguing FOR the end of the series.  I want to make sure everyone is clear that I'm okay with everything about the ending except anything dealing with The One or the Kelbrids.  Im cool with a cliff hanger and people possibly dying and a general depressing ending:

1.  Is fan fiction really a good excuse to write in totally new and tacked on plot?  How many fans of the series consider it important to the original canon?  What is the importance of the The One and The Kelbrids to the rest of the series of a whole?  Why couldn't the renegade yeerks just stumbled on some old and powerful technology?  Why couldn't there just be no last mission?  That is way more real, sad, and true to real war. 

2. Is trying to have to story end with the theme 'war is bad mkay' (which was one of the main themes of the whole series.) Then show that with how shallow Marco became, how depressed Tobias and Jake, how distant Cassie became, and how dead Rachel became, perfect characterization. Only to go back on that message with "Wait! Theres more missions everything is okay ,write a fic about it!" :D 
Is Really a good consistent writing style/message?

3.  Ax is the only character to end up with what he wanted in the end of the series.  To punish him for being happy and betraying the animorphs, she makes him worse then dead.  I will admit she needed someone close to the animorphs to draw them into space and such but my first two counterpoints argue the whole thing is extra anyway so it just easily be that he went on to be okay kinda like Cassie.

Things I admit to liking:

1. Cassie's decision to stay behind on the last mission.  This really shows how she managed to separate herself from the war better then the others.  The fact that she was the Ellimist's wild card and his chosen one is really brought out here.  She did her job by keeping things mostly within her moral standard and getting over the war. 

2.  I like what happened to Jake and Rachel.  Its messed up but it felt real and its what should have happened.  The only fic I ever really felt moved by was one where the Ellimist kept Rachel alive as per her request and things didn't end up so great for her (the fic had nothing to do with The One or the Kelbrid except that maybe it was mentioned as a side thing only briefly).

3.  Everything before the mission into to kelbrid space.  I also just wrote a down a three and couldn't think of anything more specific.  I also wanna note that I can't really do anything about how it was written and that I think people who argue for the ending how it is might do it out of defense for the series in its originality.  This of course is a flawed idea because people always slam book 44 but maybe they embrace the ending as a way to cope with it and thus defend it.  Who knows...

Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 01, 2011, 12:58:56 PM

There's two things I hated about the ending; the small scale of the so-called "open war"; I'd have expected to see cities being attacked, people being rounded up, like Visser Three boldly stated he'd do, and instead he just GAVE them time to arm up; also, the human military's response. WTF? I really wanted to see something like Independence Day, with the Anis sabotaging the Yeerk efforts in any way they could and prolonging the books by another four or five. This proves that Animorphs was always meant to be philosophical, not epic sci-fi like Star Wars.

I had no problems with Rachel dying; SOMEONE had to die, but the sheer randomness of it made me scratch my head in confusion. Why not kill two? Or three?

And the cliffhanger. Oooooooh, the ****ING cliffhanger. I've always hated that not because of how it's written - it is greatly written, to be honest - but because I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!! I'm a sucker for details. As detailed as something is, the more I love. I wanted to know what The One was, who the Kelbrid were, and everything else related to that. The lack of details on that just astounded me. Also, the Kelbrid-Andalite War smack strongly of the Earth-Romulan War of Star Trek, which to me felt stupid - I mean, seriously, you fight your enemy without ever seeing him? Doesn't that go against all the established rules of warfare?
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Noelle on December 01, 2011, 10:54:14 PM
There were some things I liked and that I didn't like about the ending.

-As sad as it is, especially since she was my third favorite character, I liked how Rachel went out.  I like books that leave me heartbroken an leave me feeling for the characters, I think invoking an emotional response takes so much more skill than just giving a happy ending.

-I also liked the portrayal of Jake at the end.  It was realistic, I got the feeling that they were REAL people when I was reading.  If KAA wrote "And then Jake went on to live a life full of sunshine and flowers after GIVING THE ORDER TO KILL HIS COUSIN" I probably would have burned the book.  (lol)  He's going to be messed up, real messed up, and she touched on that.  I think this book alone made Jake my second favorite character.  I used to be sad that Jake and Cassie didn't get together, but in the end I'm kind of glad they broke up because he really deserves better.

-Now, I'm sure everyone one knows but now, I don't really like Cassie's character.  The way she ended up with someone else really just sealed the deal for the entire series and kind of confirmed the character for me.  (Now, this is my opinion) she didn't have what it took to sacrifice anything for anyone but herself and her morals.  She didn't care about anything but her own morals.  She just was not mentally capable of breaking outside of her own little box and seeing the world for what it was, or in the end helping her friends deal with the terrible reality that they protected her from.  When her friends were falling apart around her, she ran off and married someone that wasn't damaged by the war.  Basically it was my "AHA I KNEW you were slime" moment.  It made me feel really bad for Jake, he sacrificed basically his entire life and soul to save earth and all Cassie was worried about was making it out squeaky clean and with an intact conscience.

/end rant

-I guess summed up, up until the very end, it felt REAL.  No punches held, no fluffy good feelings, it was just realistic, and I think it did the series such a good service to do that.  It would have been a real cop-out to write a series that really explored the deep, dark corners of war and then had an ending where everything was glitter and happy.  I think its really especially important in these days, when there are people who are coming home from war damaged and hurt.



Now, for the things I HATED.

-To sum it up, the ending with Ax alone almost made me burn the book.  I'll admit Ax was my favorite character, but this was a total cop-out.  I'm cool with sad endings (see above) but there was NO closure for this.  He didn't get a heroic ending, he didn't even get an ending at all, he got a "omgwtfhappenedtoAX?"  Did they save him?  Did they not?  Did they live?  Did they get assimilated?  How the hell do you make a treaty without seeing the treaty writers?  All of the realism I got from reading about the humans just went out the window. Oh, and btw, WHAT HAPPENED TO AX?  He deserved such a better ending.  Hell, I would have rather seen him die when he blew up the Yeerk pool in "The Sacrifice."  At least then he would have had a heroic ending.  I mean, in the end the brother of Elfangor, who spent three years of his life on earth alone and sacrificed so much to help save it, got a two second quip about his getting a creepy smile and talking like a creep?


-The ending just ruined the closure for me.  At first I was ok with it, because I held out hope for a sequel and I was excited for it.  But a sequel never came.  It's like KAA took her kids, that everyone learned to love and grew up on, threw them out in the snow naked and went "SEE YA!"  It was the most disappointing ending I have ever read in a piece of literature.  This is just my opinion, but to have an ending like that, and have no intention of following up on it, was a huge slap in the face to her fans.  If she was going to do a sequel, it would have been the best ending ever, but she didn't, just left her fans out in the cold.

-Visser Three not dying was another huge deal breaker for me.  This dude ATE Ax's brother.  And Ax just sits there, holds him, and hands him over for a pansy war trial?  Dude...talk about cutting off a boy's tail, Elfangor deserved his revenge, and Ax deserved to not have to go home without avenging his brother.  And I didn't feel the whole "fate worse than death" thing.  It had no satisfaction factor for me.

-Oh, btw...a war crimes trial?  For aliens?  That tried to enslave us parasitically? And the rest of the universe?   Mmmmhmm.  Yep.  Sure.  I'm pretty sure the cacophony of simultaneous, sudden Andalite thought-speak laughter would have exploded all the brains of all the humans in the world three times over when Cassie tried to pitch that one to them.  And we would have deserved it.

-As for the fanfic thing...I don't really buy it.  I will admit, the ending has spawned a billion and a half plot bunnies of my own, but not everybody writes fanfic.  And not everyone values fanfic as a genuine art.  (Not saying I don't, I do.)  And even if you are a fanfic fan, all the fanfic fountain is going to do is give a billion possibilities, not offer closure to the fans.  At the end of the day, if you are a GOOD fanfic writer, Cannon is the bible, and in the end the bible said "HAHA SCREW YOU!"





So, overall, the beginning of the book was excellent, but the ending of the book was a deal breaker.  The book really was the ultimate disappointment to me, which is really huge considering how big of a fan I was.  Her fanbase deserved better.  Honestly, when I read the other books, I just pretend in my head that book never happened.  It's stored in the "DNE" imagination section of my brain.  (does not exist)


(Obviously, just my opinion.)
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 01, 2011, 11:17:17 PM

Soooooo true, Noelle. I really wanted Visser Three dead too, not for those he killed, but for those he killed in particularly gruesome ways and mutilated for life, like hacking off limbs.
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Post by: Noelle on December 01, 2011, 11:20:39 PM
Well, at the very least, I am glad Alloran got free, though I kind of wish that we got to see a reunion between him an Jahar.  But I mean, come on, at least let Ax stomp on the Yeerk or something.  Geez.
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Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 01, 2011, 11:22:28 PM

Hell, even THAT'S too light a punishment. Dig into his flesh like he did with Aftran for a few months, all the while keeping him VERY close to Kandrona starvation, only to withdraw it at the last possible moment, and THEN he will be close to what he truly deserves.
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Canicula on December 06, 2011, 10:14:30 AM
I finished the book that night and I am really disappointed.
There were a few things I liked but way more things I hate.

I really hated:
- Rachel's dead!
She was my second favourite character and although I knew she would die and I kind of accepted it I really hate how it ends. I mean she died, they were watching it on this screen and after that they just went on like nothing happend? They only person who reacted authentic was Tobias. I would have liked it if Jake would have done her part...

- Tobias got one Chapter in that book.
He watched Rachel's dead and then...nothing. No chapter narrated by him till years later? It was really disappointing for me because I loves the Rachel/Tobias relationship really much.

- Visser One survived
Ax should have killed him for his brother. But then he got a trial? And his sentence is to stay is that box? That is really not enough for the things he have done.

- The end.
The end was one of the idiotic ends I've ever read. They go to a new mission, new enemies were shortly introduced (if you can even tell it introduced -.-) and you know Ax might be dead or something like that and the - end.
What the....? She didn't explain anything, not who or what the one was, or the Kelbirds. You know nothing...And then she replaced the other animorphs, especially Rachel. Jeanne was just like a replacement. Beautyfull and strong. That was so not necessary imo.

What I liked:
- the Ellimist
I really liked that the Ellimist came to Rachel and explained hisself to her. She deserved that.

- The funeral:
I really loved that she was creamted and Tobias flew away with the urn. It was absolutely great.

- The characters after the end of the war:
Jake was authentic. He did horrible things, sendig his own cousin to kill his brother, killing thousands of helpless yirks in the Yirkpool... it was good that he suffered after the war was over because if he didn't that would be crazy. He had to learn to live with it.
Also that Marco could go on fits. He is a person who makes the best out of the worst. And Cassie, well she is Cassie. I never liked her but she did what she had to to deal with everything. The Cassie-way of dealing with it.
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Post by: yunyun on December 06, 2011, 04:03:29 PM

- Tobias got one Chapter in that book.
He watched Rachel's dead and then...nothing. No chapter narrated by him till years later? It was really disappointing for me because I loves the Rachel/Tobias relationship really much.


Oh, yeah. I hated that too. Last time, I was flipping though though the book going "Wait, so Tobias really has only ONE chapter in here? Seriously?"
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Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 06, 2011, 07:01:54 PM

You know, I never noticed that, but it's true. He only got one chapter! The hell?
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Post by: SitsInCorner1! on December 10, 2011, 07:09:44 AM
I really enjoyed the final book. Part of it may of been because I'd read that a lot of fans hated it so I had low expectations. But I think I would've liked it anyway. It just stuck with me. Nothing exactly happened how I expected it to and I felt it wrapped up what needed to be wrapped up. I found it pretty emotional too. I cried so much...
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Post by: Noelle on December 10, 2011, 08:17:21 AM
Regarding Visser one being kept in a box...

Wasn't it Elfangor that said something like "any life is better than no life because without life there can be no hope?"


I think KAA gave Elfangor the proverbial finger by keeping Visser One alive....
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Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 10, 2011, 09:34:34 AM
Oh sure, I liked the final book, let me just be the first to say that. But I didn't love it like I did so many others in the series. But what was so wrong with it? First off, there were too many plot holes left unresolved: What happened to Fenestre? Marco's mom? Tobias's mom? How about the oatmeal bit? David? The Ellimist? I agree, not ALL one-book wonders should be addressed, but they should at least get a mention, even if only in passing. And yes, the cliffhanger was the PERFECT ending to a war is hell story, but seriously, there's so many other ways she could have done that! Killed all of the Animorphs, for example. Hell, I'd settle for THAT over that cliffhanger. That damn cliffhanger... it haunts me in my dreams. I'm anxiously looking forward to what pop will say about that. Hey, pop, if you're out there, wanna give us a hint? ;)
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Post by: Blazing Angel on December 11, 2011, 03:01:53 PM
You know, with the way my luck works. WIthin a month of my death animorphs will become wildly popular and acclaimed to have the best ending of any book ever.
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Post by: Ouroboros on December 11, 2011, 03:22:05 PM
I was not a huge fan of the ending.

As people have pointed out, the war was a letdown and everything just seemed a little off.

I also wish the Ellimist hadn't shown up. I would have preferred being left to speculate more about everything he so nicely explained. I was also not a real big fan of the Ellimist/Crayak thing, though. I understand godlike beings, but I hate how often they were used to explain stuff throughout the series. Besides, "oh Rachel you were a random choice for the team and blah blah blah now listen to me talk about Crayak and our space ships for a while and our games and stuff", WTF, guy.

I wanted a horrible ending. I guess that's more of a personal thing though. I hate happy endings. I love endings where the heroes struggle and struggle and struggle only to lose in the end...or if the do win it's at a cost much greater than one life and their childhoods.

I guess that's just me. Also, WTF happened to Ax?
Title: Re: Did you like the ending? *SPOILERS!!*
Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 12, 2011, 06:43:01 AM

Rikki-Tikki-Tavi: Lol how old ARE you? :P

Ouroboros: You thought the war was disappointing too? You seriously mean that you didn't like how the war against humans and Yeerks was portrayed? If so, you're the first one to ever say that to me. I mean, even if you're going to have the humans get curb-stomped in every single battle they're in, at least SHOW them in those battles, for Pete's sake! It's a war, not a chess game.

Ellimist: While I thought the Ellimist was a cheap plot device too, there are two instances where it's tolerable, and the books were so great I didn't even care: #26. The Attack and The Ellimist Chronicles.

Happy Ending: I could go either way (wow, that sounded bad), but I like stories that don't really end happily or sadly, though I do like happy endings more than sad ones. I guess it's just all a matter of perspective. Wow, that would make a great song title! ;D
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Post by: Ouroboros on December 12, 2011, 01:27:42 PM

Rikki-Tikki-Tavi: Lol how old ARE you? :P

Ouroboros: You thought the war was disappointing too? You seriously mean that you didn't like how the war against humans and Yeerks was portrayed? If so, you're the first one to ever say that to me. I mean, even if you're going to have the humans get curb-stomped in every single battle they're in, at least SHOW them in those battles, for Pete's sake! It's a war, not a chess game.

Ellimist: While I thought the Ellimist was a cheap plot device too, there are two instances where it's tolerable, and the books were so great I didn't even care: #26. The Attack and The Ellimist Chronicles.

Happy Ending: I could go either way (wow, that sounded bad), but I like stories that don't really end happily or sadly, though I do like happy endings more than sad ones. I guess it's just all a matter of perspective. Wow, that would make a great song title! ;D

Yeah bud, I agree on the bit about the war. I felt like I was reading the history class version of it, not reading it as told by people who experienced it, you know what I mean?

#26 was alright I suppose. I didn't really get into that book when I was younger, maybe I should go re-read it. Something about the whole Iskoort and Howlers and cities designed by 4-year-olds didn't quite click for me. The Ellimist and his stupid games just started to irritate me after a while. Plus the "LOOK AT THE POWER OF MY MAKING OUT WITH CASSIE! LOOK AT WHAT IT CAN DO TO YOUR COLLECTIVE MEMORIES, CRAYAK BE DAMNED!" schtick was kinda lame, TBH. I did like seeing more of Erek, though.

The Ellimist Chronicles was alright. There were some cool ideas and all that, but I just really don't like the Ellimist or Crayak.

I should clarify a little, I do like happy endings, when they are appropriate. In a scenario that is as blown up and massive as the ending of the Animorphs, I don't think a happy ending was in order.

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Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 12, 2011, 01:36:32 PM

If you want, you can read some of my earlier threads, humans vs. Yeerks and so on. It says EXACTLY what was wrong with the final war.
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Post by: Ouroboros on December 12, 2011, 02:08:57 PM
What was wrong with the war is that we were only treated to one piece of it (if there was even stuff going on at other locations). The truth is, the attacks were localized because a) the Animorphs were there and b) the Pool was there and c) pretty much every other event in the series took place around the Animorphs' hometown, so naturally it would be a prime target.

I just wish it had been more exciting. It was pretty bland for a war, even if it was a quick and centralized war.
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Post by: Darth Zakryn on December 12, 2011, 02:14:50 PM

But against a species like humans, which greatly outnumbers the Yeerks, fast and furious is the way to go. Like I said, read that thread to get more juicy details. That was my biggest gripe with the final books. It's like K.A. was trying too fast to wrap things up, neglecting her loyal readers in the process.
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Post by: Chad32 on December 12, 2011, 03:44:09 PM

Hell, even THAT'S too light a punishment. Dig into his flesh like he did with Aftran for a few months, all the while keeping him VERY close to Kandrona starvation, only to withdraw it at the last possible moment, and THEN he will be close to what he truly deserves.

Actually Ax was very not cool with torture.
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Post by: SkyMorpher on December 13, 2011, 01:57:19 AM
Can you bump them for me? I'm searching but can't find them.
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Post by: yunyun on December 13, 2011, 08:00:51 PM
I think it's this one link (http://animorphsforum.com/index.php?topic=7399.msg564054#msg564054)
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Post by: Blazing Angel on December 14, 2011, 09:52:08 AM
Rikki-Tikki-Tavi: Lol how old ARE you? :P

Young enough that it would sting all the worse if I lived a long a rich life
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Post by: aragondarvin on March 06, 2012, 02:09:04 PM
The only reason I didn't like the ending was because it wasn't an ending, it was a beginning and I wanted to keep reading.
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Post by: Blazing Angel on March 06, 2012, 09:51:39 PM
Oh, that was a horrible joke.
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Post by: ko ko on March 06, 2012, 10:33:39 PM
maybe horrible joke, but it makes perfect sense. the final book could have been the first book of a different venture
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Post by: Chad32 on March 07, 2012, 10:14:01 AM
Yeah. You wouldn't think it was the end of the series if KA didn't tell you it was over now. At least I wouldn't. Of course I like it when a series concludes.
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Post by: Oceanspray on March 08, 2012, 03:20:10 AM
I didn't like the fact that Rachel died or the introduction of a new enemy.  The author's reasoning for killing Rachel was petty.  Has she even read her own series?  The animorphs are clearly superheroes; if she wanted realism there would have been casualties a lot sooner.  I doubt the team would survive past book 12 if this series was trying to be realistic.  It's like K.A. didn't care about her series (or her fans) by this book.  To say anything more on the matter would be a waste, there is only dust where this horse has been beaten.

I like how things turned out for the post-war Animorphs and the human race.  Had the surviving Animorphs not gone into space after Ax, they would surely have had easy lives on Earth.  I don't mind Visser 3 living, can't really put into words why though.

Yes I liked the last book.  Except for Rachel dying.
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Post by: Chad32 on March 08, 2012, 08:42:32 AM
You could argue she was starting to lose interest when most of the second half of the series wasn't written by her. Yeah the horse has been reduced to nothingness as it's been beaten for a decade. People have liked and disliked the ending to varying degrees, and both sides sometimes tell each other they're missing the point.
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Post by: Blazing Angel on March 11, 2012, 11:17:43 PM
Your probably right. SHe was probably sick of the whole thing by the end.
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Post by: silverspring on March 21, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
To be fair I haven't actually read #54 (probably never will), but I know all of the major plot developments. I like that things weren't tied up in a pretty bow. A major character's death was inevitable, IMO, although I would've sworn Jake would be the one to die. Despite being a huge J/C and T/R shipper I thought it was realistic that neither couple ended up together @ series end.

But I also feel the end was almost TOO open-ended...too many things left unresolved amongst the group, if not the rest of the world they lived in. I hated that Rachel never got a moment w/ her dad that he could be proud of her, or that Jake/Marco/Tobias presumably met their deaths while trying to rescue Ax after managing to survive everything else. And I don't believe Cassie's post-war life would be easy at all - left alone with virtually no one to understand what she went through all those years. I might explore that in a fic sometime soon.
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Post by: spencer on March 26, 2012, 09:13:21 PM
i liked the ending.
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Post by: Alan Fangor on March 29, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
I don't like the ending very much. As others said, it seems as if the author had lost interest in the series. I read that it was an 80-books series at the beginning, then reduced t0 72, then to 64 and in the end to 54. It seems like if KA had tried to finish the series as soon as possible.  :(

It's too sofly for me. I would have expected an open war, something like "Indipendence Day" with the arrival of Andalite fleet. And Rachel's death...mmm...I don't understand it. As Oceanspray above said :

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The animorphs are clearly superheroes; if she wanted realism there would have been casualties a lot sooner.

That's all. It seems as if the author was obliged to obey to a strange rule (and it's not clear where it came out and why) which states :  "A main character must die. If not, it's rubbish or book for babies". Well, I think that there are other thing that makes these book childish. It would have been better if only one animorph had survived, then. It would have more sense : all survived or almost all dead. Happy end it's not a crime, even for a war book.

And the way the Auxiliary Animorphs are wiped out from the story...mmm....it's nonsense. No credible reason for this. And the reason for Rachel's death is blatantly weak, imho.
It's as if she had not wanted to write about a post-war future for them.

I admit that, taken out of context, the ending is good, well-written, also intriguing for some aspects, e.g. Arbron and Taxxon rebellion are really exciting.

But, ultimately, it's pretty disappointing, compared to the whole series. It looks very forced, hurried, and leaves a lot of unresolved issues.
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Post by: Jdorsey314 on July 14, 2014, 07:53:02 PM
what kind of STUPID QUESTION IS THAT????!!?? I HATE THE ENDING! if my hatred of the ending of the series was a vapor, it would bring one earth atmosphere of pressure to the vacuum of space. which, by the way, is just a wee bit bigger than the human mind can fathom.

I have also decided to hate applegate. I still like the series, but nothing so filthy has ever consumed earths resources as this pathetic excuse for an author now does. I am not a murderer. but if, say, someone else where to rid the world of this lousy scum, I would do a little dance, throw a little party. set off some iddy bitty fireworks, etcetera, etcetera... I love a series and hate its author. how is that possible? It took an ending engineered for maximum possible despair and heartbreak. I cannot imagine what evil must exist in a mind that could produce a resolution this revolting. some things In this world I might never understand.