Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Darth Zakryn on February 23, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
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C'mon, we all know, like the Animorphs, he's done PLENTY of stupid stuff. Here's some I can name without thinking.
-When he interrupted that Controller who was going to tell him tomato juice gets rid of skunk smell.
-Trusting Chapman would still help him after he was in his head; whether he was on his side or not, he still left a lot to chance.
-Leaving the two Hork-Bajir to be eaten by wolves rather than incerating the bodies.
-Letting the Animorphs go when he could frickin' CLOSE OFF HIS HOOVES to the oatmeal in the water!
-Staging the "defeat" of the Andalite bandits; that just left him wide open to a real attack.
Can anyone else name a few more?
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Not seeing a kid morph from flea to tiger less than two feet away from him when he has four eyes still stands out to me.
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Trusting Chapman to help him wasn't stupid. He read the guy's thoughts and intentions, and Chapman did help.
As for closing off his hooves, there would still be a risk that a little would still be absorbed. Just like when I swim under water, I sometimes still accidentally get a little in my mouth and swallow it.
Not that he still hasn't done a lot of stupid stuff like trying to remove sentience from people.
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Trying to make a Hork-Bajir aquatic ranks more as cruel, but stupid also.
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Taking three years to figure out that 5 out of the 6 Andalite bandits are human children. And the sad part is, he wasn't the one to figure it out first
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What if Chapman had seen the light when the Yeerk infested? He didn't know him THAT well to know that before he infested him, so he was still taking a big chance. He just lucked out.
And ok, I concede on that. Makes sense now. A small fragment of oatmeal might have gotten through, not a lot, but just enough.
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Letting the Garatron inspector die...if he had saved him, he would have had a ready-made puppet on the council of thirteen.
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The guy was able to read Chapman's mind. It doesn't get more informative than that. He knew more about Chapman than Chapman probably knew about himself. Obviously if he had seen the light soon after infestation, SV 7 would have seen it cross his mind.
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Grape juice doesn't get rid of smell. It just makes you purple.
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lol they shoulda told him pickle juice would do it :P
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I just meant he didn't know if Chapman would have second thoughts once he infested him, luckily he didn't.
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I think in The Predator when he caught the "Andalite Bandits" and had them imprisoned and he didn't kill them right away, and then he trusted his guards to be competent enough to well, guard them and not botch the job.
He should have listended to that old human saying "If you want something done right, do it yourself."
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Started an open invasion of earth!
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trying to make a drug to take away someone's free will (when it's impossible)
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trying to make a drug to take away someone's free will (when it's impossible)
Theorectially impossible.
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The decision: morphing a Kafit bird in broad daylight to chase Ax in seagull morph.
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You know in some abortion debates I've seen posts that say until the neocortex develops , the fetus can't be aware of its surroundings or have conscious thoughts. I wonder if it's possible to remove that, and not have the person die. If it's possible you may actually be able to do it.
It is involved in higher functions such as sensory perception, generation of motor commands, spatial reasoning, conscious thought and language.
The part that says generation of motor commands makes me doubtful a Yeerk could control the host without a neocortex.
Edit: You know it might be interesting if the Yeerk body could replace the neo cortex. That way when it left, the host wouldn't be able to do anything but lie there.
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You know in some abortion debates I've seen posts that say until the neocortex develops , the fetus can't be aware of its surroundings or have conscious thoughts. I wonder if it's possible to remove that, and not have the person die. If it's possible you may actually be able to do it.
It is involved in higher functions such as sensory perception, generation of motor commands, spatial reasoning, conscious thought and language.
The part that says generation of motor commands makes me doubtful a Yeerk could control the host without a neocortex.
Edit: You know it might be interesting if the Yeerk body could replace the neo cortex. That way when it left, the host wouldn't be able to do anything but lie there.
I believe that in a way, oatmeal does this to the Yeerk.
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It did say it dissolved part of the Yeerk's brain.
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Slaughtering his subordinates by the poolful for the most minor of things. Failed to catch the Animorphs? Decapitated. Interrupted the visser? Decapitated. Left the room too slowly? De-****ing-capitated. Thus, his minions were less effective than Visser One's, who both respected and feared her.
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Trying to outsmart Tobias and thing he was Tobias's cousin.Yet it worked for awhile but in the end(which it did happen) he would of found out the truth and boom there goes your plan big Vis.
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becoming too full of himself to learn about humans the way he did Andalites. It's interesting, for all the ways Yeerks adapt themselves as they move from planet to planet the one's on Earth had a leader who was completely unwilling to do that for earth.
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It's an interesting parallel between Vissers One and Three. Visser One studies humans and considers herself one of them because she knows deep down they're a thousand times stronger than Andalites can ever be (if not physically), whereas Visser Three studies Andalites because they were already the most dominant species in the universe when the Yeerks rebelled. And, like each of the species they studied, they admire them, even if Visser Three, unlike Visser One, doesn't consider himself an Andalite, obviously. This really contrasts their personalities nicely.
Whoa, I'm getting too ahead of myself. Sorry.
Onto the discussion!
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It's an interesting parallel between Vissers One and Three. Visser One studies humans and considers herself one of them because she knows deep down they're a thousand times stronger than Andalites can ever be (if not physically), whereas Visser Three studies Andalites because they were already the most dominant species in the universe when the Yeerks rebelled. And, like each of the species they studied, they admire them, even if Visser Three, unlike Visser One, doesn't consider himself an Andalite, obviously. This really contrasts their personalities nicely.
Whoa, I'm getting too ahead of myself. Sorry.
Onto the discussion!
I had never thought about this before to be honest. I wonder if this was on purpose or not. I'm not sure that it actually means anything, but it is fairly nifty.
As far as the topic goes, I suppose something that always bothered me, even when I was younger was when Visser 3 didn't kill the Hork Bajir in #13. I know you already mentioned this, but you know something is bad when even I notice it cause back then I never questioned plotholes. I wasn't the smartest kid when it came to that sort of stuff although I do think it helped me enjoy a lot more things than I do now.
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I'm sure K.A. deliberately put those parallels there, to show how different and yet "alike" they are.
Back on the subject, I think another stupid thing Visser Three did was land the Blade ship when the "Andalite bandits" were aboard it. Come on, they were in the air! All they had to do was keep in the air; they couldn't fight forever, eventually they would be overwhelmed, but Visser Three just can't stop dropping the Villain Ball.
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how about not ever reading all the books that were published about him and his adversaries. He might have figured out they were human a lot faster if he just picked up an animorphs book.
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Trust me. If the Yeerks really did read those books, they would have found the Anis in book 1 when it was mentioned Cassie's Mom worked at the Gardens. Or that all controllers with male hosts with younger brothers should promptly bring their siblings to the pool for infestation.
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How can you read a book series WITHIN A BOOK SERIES? Or are you being sarcastic? :huh:
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The anis always acted like this was the real world they were in, and it could really be you that gets infested next.
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I get what you're saying.
But I thought you were talking about something else. Like, the Controllers look into the books and catch the Animorphs before they attack the Yeerk Pool in the Invasion. But that would prevent the books from being made in the first place, because the Animorphs would have been screwed. Time Travel Paradox all over again.
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Well, more like they'd catch the Anis right after the first book was published.
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But they wouldn't have published the books until after the war was over. Why would they do otherwise?
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Oh, after the war. Yeah, ok.
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How can you read a book series WITHIN A BOOK SERIES? Or are you being sarcastic? :huh:
yeah I was just joking around
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But they wouldn't have published the books until after the war was over. Why would they do otherwise?
TMP is right. However, in this case, TEC shouldn't exist.
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Jeez. There's been no intergalactic war taken place on Earth unless it was "hushed up." Get it over it: As good as Animorphs is, it's NOT real. :P
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*puts on tin hat* That's just what THEY want you to think!
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Zakryn, didn't anyone tell you?
The whole thing is actually going on right now!
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how about not ever reading all the books that were published about him and his adversaries. He might have figured out they were human a lot faster if he just picked up an animorphs book.
Inspired by this, I wrote something at the "Things they would never say" topic.
http://animorphsforum.com/index.php?topic=352.msg581635#msg581635
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He allowed the animorphs to attatch to his butt as flies. And then he scratched it. ALso off topic: stupid things the animorphs did, flying into toilets for a hiding place and t hen being trapped buy somone. I hope you know what I mean.
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Not thinking that they might be human after KNOWING FOR A FACT THAT THERE WAS A HUMAN ON THE TEAM!!!! (David)
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he probably thought that they were just being mercifull
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Yes, but it showed that a human could use the morphing technology. Also, what's the chance that an arrogant Andalite would give morphing to a lowly human? Elfangor was the exception, as he had spent time on earth.
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I hope you know what I mean.
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Nope. Not a clue. Please elaborate.
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Trying to find the secret of Zone 91. It would really suck to be one of the fools that would eventually find the truth and tell Visser Three that it's an Andalite toilet.
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morphing a gaint fire creature underwater. He really didnt think that one through.
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Actually not his blunder. The book was written by a ghostwriter.
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on that never aquiring ANY earth animals. If he had some they would have been cought alot quicker
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Taking about 33 books to even eralize that a red-tailed hawk keeps showing up.
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having the hawk made sense like they used him as a scout and a distraction
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How can you read a book series WITHIN A BOOK SERIES? Or are you being sarcastic? :huh:
Hhauhauahauhauh!
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*says in a british accent* Wouldn't that create some kind of paradox or something
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The most stupid thing is to punish and often to kill everyone around him for the slightest thing. His character is very stereotyped, it seems he act like a villan just to be a villain. So he become very unpopular among his people, and his subordinates obey him only for fear and this means they could betray him at the first opportunity. He should be a true leader, a charismatic, loved one, a ledaer who would be followed by his comapnions everywhere and anytime for real loyalty.
You can be feared and respected even without being hated.
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The old Machiavellian debate.
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its been implied that the yeerk empire is comepletely cutthroat. Doesn't matter who you are if your higher up you have to watch your back.
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on that never aquiring ANY earth animals. If he had some they would have been caught alot quicker.
I don't think I quite agree with you there. Visser Three used the morphing technology primarily for dramatic effect. Eating Elfangor, trying to kill the Animorphs, even going so far as to use morphs acquired from the Andalite homeworld in an effort to demoralize the "Andalite Bandits".
Morphing for the most part was intended for stealth and infiltration. In the Animorphs cases, it gave them the advantages that frail, limited human beings don't have. Without it, we kinda see what would happen to them in Megamorphs 4.
Visser Three is a Yeerk in a body that can run, jump, and fight. He can see in all directions. He commands a technologically advanced army that contains some of the deadiest creatures the Galaxy can cough up, so that he has no need to actually use any of his gifts, except for the aforementioned dramatic effect. It's an added perk to an all ready impressive list of upsides.
He doesn't need the morphing power for the same reasons the Anis do, so morphing Earth animals really would have served no purpose in actually routing them out. Not that he didn't find certain specimens attractive. The tiger for example, Visser Three praised it quite vehemently. But if he had ever gotten around to acquiring it, once again it would be purely for the dramatic effect.
The only time he's ever strategically morphed was to evade an assassination attempt. And at that point I assume he morphed anteater since it's the only Earth morph we ever see him acquire on screen and it would be small enough to hide between a compliment of Hork-Bajir guards.
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Morphing into an earth creature would have severely helped him. Cause you know earth creatures are made for earth. And besides the ant eater he never morphed anything under 500 pounds something smaller could have actually chased them
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Okay, so expand on your argument. At what point in the series would any Earth animal of your choice be advantageous to Visser Three?
Yes. Earth creatures are made for Earth. Earth creatures can also be eaten by Earth animals. I can't think of too many animals that could eat an Antarrean Bogg.
The only real advantages the Anis had over Visser Three in morph were pretty much any time he tried to morph underwater, and those were pure flukes (no pun intended). Rachel in Croc morph biting the Spearfish because it overlooked her. The Andalite animal getting the crap kicked out of it by whales just as V3 is about to eat the Anis. And the one time Rachel got the drop on Visser Three's giant snake morph was, again, when he was too distracted with trying to eat someone else to notice that his fleshy bits were exposed.
So other than those minor mistakes, and believe me they were minor. If Rachel wasn't on her A game or if the Deux Ex Machina didn't feel like working at the end of the Message than they'd all be pretty much dead by now.
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well it wouldn't necessarily have to be an earth animals. Just something smaller faster and just as deadly. Cause most of the time he failed o kill them was due to the fact that they escaped.
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not realizing that most of the "andalite bandits" were human kids
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It may have been stated before, I didn't read the entire post.
One of the stupidest things he did was let Visser Ones' cronies guard their cell while they were aboard the Mother Ship stationed off of Earth in book 5 or 6. Well I can't quite remember if it were her guards exactly, but you'd think he'd keep a better eye on his captives, and you'd also think he'd know that being a Yeerk, Visser One would screw him over at the first opportunity.
edit: Ok, I did see that post on the first page. Redundancy :(
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It may have been stated before, I didn't read the entire post.
One of the stupidest things he did was let Visser Ones' cronies guard their cell while they were aboard the Mother Ship stationed off of Earth in book 5 or 6. Well I can't quite remember if it were her guards exactly, but you'd think he'd keep a better eye on his captives, and you'd also think he'd know that being a Yeerk, Visser One would screw him over at the first opportunity.
edit: Ok, I did see that post on the first page. Redundancy :(
I'm not sure, but I think he had his guards stationed outside the holding cell, but Visser One's guards took them out.
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Visser Three still should've known what was up. I would've put like 20 Hork Bajirs outside that door. Also I would have installed a camera in the room lol
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Dont forget: Visser Three was an idiot, to say the least.
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a confident idiot as well
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I personally think all the Yeerk are kinda semi-retarded. Especially the one that took over Jake early in the series.
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The most idiotic thing had to be NOT making Tobias a controller. Here he was, the son of his WORST ENEMIES, and he lets him walk because he thinks Tobias is just a street punk?!?! It makes no sense. He despised Elfangor. He hated Loren and remembered her taunting him. If nothing else, you would think he would want to torture Tobias by infesting him. But no, he just walks. He goes through all the trouble of fabricated the cousin story, and decides not to bother? give me a break!
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You have a valid point
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Come to think of it, it's not the first time Visser Three had an opportunity to infest one of the team.
His determination to be the only Andalite Controller at the time may have cost him a valuable opportunity to slip a Yeerk into Ax's head when the Veleek had captured him.
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how about not ever reading all the books that were published about him and his adversaries. He might have figured out they were human a lot faster if he just picked up an animorphs book.
Never thought about this. Wow, you're right. The books were being written as if it's currently happening (can't tell you our real names, your friends/family could be controllers, you could be next, etc), so it's implied that in Animorphs universe these books ARE being published, (although they never mentioned getting royalties :P) but yeah, so true.
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I think in The Predator when he caught the "Andalite Bandits" and had them imprisoned and he didn't kill them right away, and then he trusted his guards to be competent enough to well, guard them and not botch the job.
He should have listended to that old human saying "If you want something done right, do it yourself."
Also not putting cameras in the room where he put the Andalite bandits, and cameras in the hallway outside.
Ditto for when he captured Ax and Marco during MM1.
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So, the Mertil and Gafinilan thing?
Where to begin.
Andalite logic is used to explain why neither one would make a decent enough host.
One would argue maybe V3 has to contend with his host's likely ableism and that might color his own opinion and rationale, but ugh... UGH... Why can't the book just be clear on the point that V3 wants TO KILL both of these dudes because he wants to remain the only Andalite controller? I hate that this is never outright discussed in the series, and that certain books seem to confirm that this is the case (if only because the decisions V3 makes in those narratives tend to be so inexplicably dumb outside of that consideration), while others flat out work against it (side-eye at Taylor).
I wanted so badly for this possible internal conflict to be a revisited thing. We have Eva/V1's loyalties picked apart and her situational investment is laid bare as a primary motivating factor for her character's actions. I've always wanted to consider a V3 who tows the party line when convenient, but would actually rue the day that the Yeerks directly engage the Andalite homeworld because he feels he's the only slug around deserving of an Andalite host. I mean, there's so much rumination from nearly every character's perspective who comes into contact with V3 that the mere fact of his Andalite host body makes him unique and powerful compared to pretty much every other Yeerk... Other than that, he's just sadistic and crabby. Not too special.
But yeah... giving up on the tactical advantage of possible military secrets re: Mertil and Gafinilan... SO DUMB, V3. SO DUMB! You could have dumped a trusted lieutenant into Mertil's brain, allowed dude to be rescued, and then known everything you would have needed to know about the resistance on Earth to just bang this invasion out. FAIL!
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Blasting his thoughts out for anyone to hear!