Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Yorick Brown on July 13, 2008, 06:46:11 PM
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-Rachel Brewer
-Marco Ruiz
-Cassandra 'Cassie' Carver works too
-Tobias Archibald
(Jake's last name is Berenson but I personally don't like it and would change it to Davis if my pilot ever got made.)
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I think some fans think tobias's last name is fangor...
so cousins don't have the same last name?
I kinda like Marco McCain (what marco said in #5) even though he said it's not his last name.
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Rachel would have the same last name as Jake, actually. They're related through their Dads.
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I've always seen Marco as a Jones.
And I don't think Tobias's last name would be Fangor, since he'd probably have his step-father's last name, or Loren's maiden name, wouldn't he? I've seen it as Avian, or Avan, in some fanfics, though I've never really liked it. Too obvious of a refference to him being a bird.
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Weren't last names listed in Anibase or something?
I've considered Tobias' last name Fangor ever since his father was confirmed Elfangor. I think Rachel is a Berensen too.
That just leaves Marco and Cassie.
Elfangor's last name is Shamtul, and Ax's last name is Isthill. But their parents last names are both different. I wonder what goes on with that? Andalites don't use one last name for a family?
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nope. they only pass down their middle name. their first child has his father's middle name. the second child the mother's middle name. not sure about the third child. maybe father's again?
no, I'm pretty sure they were not listed in the anibase.
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Marco Ramirez
Cassie Williams
Sounds the best to me.
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"I think some fans think tobias's last name is fangor..."
I remember The Andalie Chronicles too but I'm not sure if Tobias took his name or his mother's maiden name or something else
"so cousins don't have the same last name?"
Not if they have different gender parent siblings, smart ass
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"so cousins don't have the same last name?"
Not if they have different gender parent siblings, smart ass
Calm down, dude. Morf isn't the fastest horse on the track.
And, again, Jake and Rachel's dads are brothers. So they do have the same last name.
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Jake Berenson
Rachel Berenson
Tobias Fangor
Cassie Williams
Marco Hernandez
That's the way I always thought of them.
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"And, again, Jake and Rachel's dads are brothers. So they do have the same last name."
Okay. But just saying that cousins can have different last names unlike what that guy was implying with his smart ass reply
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"And, again, Jake and Rachel's dads are brothers. So they do have the same last name."
Okay. But just saying that cousins can have different last names unlike what that guy was implying with his smart ass reply
Dude, again, he's not the fastest person.
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um...call me wrong, but I'm pretty sure smart ass reply means something like you know but you ask anyway, or something like that...
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um...call me wrong, but I'm pretty sure smart ass reply means something like you know but you ask anyway, or something like that...
Well, it's more of a sarcastic remark.
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ok...so sarcastic. well I wasn't being sarcastic when I asked that. I honestly do not know whether cousins have the same last names or not. I only figured that because lots of animorph websites have rachel's last name as berenson.
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Cassie Williams
Wow! musicman and I are on the same Cassie wavelength! 8) ;)
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Tobias' last name isn't Fangor, because due to the Ellimist, Elfangor's time on Earth was erased, so his last name would be his new father's name or Loren's maiden name.
I like the sound of Marco Ramirez, but remember he was Hispanic on his mother's side, so he would have inherited his father's last name.
Cassie Williams sounds alright, and I swear I've heard it before. Must have been in a fanfic.
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Yeah, Cassie Williams always sounded good to me...I heard it in a fanfic too, but I think she was married to Jake and all the Animorphs had changed their last names anyway.
I've never been able to think of one for Marco, and Tobias I hadn't even really thought about thinking about...
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Yeah, too creepy, the first thing I thought of was Cassie Williams and then it came up in this thread! XD; It must've been in a fic somewhere. Who started this eerie Cassie Williams wavelength!? XD
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At first I always thought Marco would have a mexican last name but he's half white(His dad) So...I don't know...Anderson?
As for Cassie...I like Smith or Wahsington
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I thought Anderson would be better for Jake and Rachel.
Here's a few names that seem to fit, in my opinion.
Jake Anderson
Rachel Anderson
Marco Martinez
Cassie... Williams :P
Tobias... If it's a regular, normal last name... Greenwell. I dunno why, I just think it fits.
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Marco Polo. ;D
I made up some random middle and last names.
Marco Santora Roberts
Jake Josiah Berenson
Rachel Joan Berenson
Cassie Amelia Johnson
Tobias Ivan Meeks
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I thought Berenson fit Jake and Rachel. Their dads are brothers so Rachel would have the same last name unless it was changed or hyphenated after the divorce. It's a Jewish last name and both of them are Jewish.
Whenever I read a fanfic where Marco has this obvious Spanish last name like Rodriguez I always laugh because Marco's mother was Hispanic - it never states if his father is or not. Seeing as Marco wasn't fluent in Spanish I don't think his father was of Spanish or Latin American descent.
Augustine Quill did a nice play on Tobias' last name - it was von Fangor or something to that extent. I don't think that he kept his father's "last name" because Loren's memory was wiped and Tobias had a stepfather. He probably had his stepfather's last name.
I don't like a Cassie Washington. It doesn't fit her and it sounds like a bad stereotype. Cassie Johnson would work.
Do you think KA had them planned out all along or do you think she made up Jake Berenson right at the end?
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I want to think she had it planned...
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Jake and Rachel are not Jewish. Or at least, I never got that vibe but what do I know? I'm a Hispanic Catholic-turned-athiest.
Just because you're Hispanic, it doesn't mean you're fluent in Spanish. Not if your parents speak to you in English much more than Spanish.
Isn't Cassie's father named John? So his name would be John Johnson? Try the name Carver.
Applegate probably gave them the name Berenson after someone she knew with the same last name.
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well rachel did say her father was jewish in MM#3...
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I think it states somewhere that Marco's father was Caucasian.
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Actually, Cassie's dad's name was Walter. In the TV show, it was John.
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I always liked these names..
Jake Berenson
Rachel Berenson
Cassie Jackson
Marco Boreas
Tobias Witherby
Don't ask me why. I can't explain it. Lol.
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I don't like a Cassie Washington. It doesn't fit her and it sounds like a bad stereotype. Cassie Johnson would work.
I've never really understood why Washington is a steryotypical black name it's not like there's a lot of African Americans with tht last name. Out of all the Blck ppl I know(My family, some of my friends, classmates, me) I've only met one that had the tht last name.
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Jake and Rachel are not Jewish. Or at least, I never got that vibe but what do I know? I'm a Hispanic Catholic-turned-athiest.
Just because you're Hispanic, it doesn't mean you're fluent in Spanish. Not if your parents speak to you in English much more than Spanish.
Isn't Cassie's father named John? So his name would be John Johnson? Try the name Carver.
Applegate probably gave them the name Berenson after someone she knew with the same last name.
There wasn't a vibe, it was said in MM3. They were in the alternate reality of the Allied invasion of Normandy and Rachel explained The Holocaust to Ax. She explicitly stated that her father was Jewish.
Cassie's father is named Walter.
You're right, there are people who are 100% something or half of something that don't speak the language of their parent(s). However, do you not remember in #11 when they are in Brazil and Marco understands Polo - the leader of the Amazonian tribe they encounter - because he is speaking Portuguese and that language is almost mutually intelligible with Spanish. Marco says that he wasn't fluent but he had picked up some of the language from his mother who spoke Spanish fluently. In one of his books, I don't remember which, Marco is thinking about immigrants taking the oath to get American citizenship and mentions that his mother did, inferring that she was a Latin American immigrant.
Nowhere is it mentioned that Marco's father is Hispanic. He would've been named Pedro instead of Peter.
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I haven't read "Elfangor's Secret" in ages so I don't recall that passage. Doesn't change the fact that I still didn't get that vibe regardless of what was.
The reason I said John was because of this Animorphs booklet thing I got froma club membership years ago. There are alot of contradictions with the parents names. In the booklet, Marco's dad is Jeremy but in the books he's Peter. Gregory and then Stephen for Jake's dad. And of course, John and Walter for Cassie.
Yes. Nowhere in the books does it say that Marco's dad is Hispanic but I just want to say that I know a Hispanic kid named Peter and not Pedro. Quit stereotyping. And what was that long explanation from "The Forgotten" for? Al I said was that if you were Hispanic, it doesn't mean you HAVE to speak Spanish fluently with only one Hispanic parent or both.
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yeah, I think the parents' names changed in the books as well. I think one book had something and then another book had something else...
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Yeah, that's why I'm always confused when they're talking about their parents. The only one that seemed to be clear was Naomi.
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no marco's mom was the only one that was clear; Eva
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So they got all (or most of) the Mom's names down. It was the Dad's names that weren't entirely clear.
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Anyway, here are some ideas for middle names-
Jake Thomas(my middle name ;) :P)
Rachel Theresa
Tobias Peter
Cassie Patricia
Marco Paul
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I haven't read "Elfangor's Secret" in ages so I don't recall that passage. Doesn't change the fact that I still didn't get that vibe regardless of what was.
The reason I said John was because of this Animorphs booklet thing I got froma club membership years ago. There are alot of contradictions with the parents names. In the booklet, Marco's dad is Jeremy but in the books he's Peter. Gregory and then Stephen for Jake's dad. And of course, John and Walter for Cassie.
Yes. Nowhere in the books does it say that Marco's dad is Hispanic but I just want to say that I know a Hispanic kid named Peter and not Pedro. Quit stereotyping. And what was that long explanation from "The Forgotten" for? Al I said was that if you were Hispanic, it doesn't mean you HAVE to speak Spanish fluently with only one Hispanic parent or both.
It's in the book. I recently re-read the series, that's why I remember it. It's really not a big deal.\
That's fine. I wasn't aware of any Animorphs book clubs, I'm just giving you the canonical names of their parents. I'm not an uber Animorphs nerd, I just re-read the series every summer when I'm bored and I fact-check when I don't know. (Maybe I am an uber-nerd...we'll see.)
Grow up, I'm not "stereotyping". Different names, especially biblical ones, have translations in various languages. Pedro is the Spanish version of Peter just like Wilhelm is the German version of William. You may hear Pedro used in a lot of racist jokes but it doesn't change that. Why don't you learn what you're talking about before you accuse someone of something like that, it'll save you trouble in the future.
I knew what you were saying and I don't disagree with you. I'm saying that I seriously doubt that Marco's father is Hispanic for various reasons.
(This is a rather trivial issue in the Animorphs fandom, but I do get worked up when others accuse me of being wrong or worse.)
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I also doubt that Marco's father is Hispanic. Just saying you don't have to be fluent in Spanish to be Hispanic.
Sorry but I did find your Pedro comment to be really ignorant. I believe you that there are Spanish translations to other names (ex. Miguel-Michael) but Marco's dad would Not have to be named Pedro rather than Peter if he was Hispanic.
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I don't think it was really ignorant. I mean, you rarely find a French Peter, since most French parents would go with the "Pierre" equivilant.
I don't think Escafil was saying that it was concrete that Peter=/=Hispanic, just that it was unlikely, because it's not a Spanish name. Just like it's unlikely that he'd be French for the same reason.
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so what's the chinese equivalent or peter?
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Well... Peter means rock, so I guess, whatever the Chinese word for rock is?
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you mean rock as in the thing found on the ground or rock as in a rock band?
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Thing found on the ground.
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well ****ou is rock in chinese, so I guess that's it.
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I don't think it was really ignorant. I mean, you rarely find a French Peter, since most French parents would go with the "Pierre" equivilant.
I don't think Escafil was saying that it was concrete that Peter=/=Hispanic, just that it was unlikely, because it's not a Spanish name. Just like it's unlikely that he'd be French for the same reason.
Exactly what you said.
I think it's childish to label me as being prejudiced for saying something that wasn't even racist and that no smart person would interpret as being racist. Get over yourself.
And to whoever asked, there wouldn't really be a Chinese equivalent to Peter because Peter is a biblical name and Christianity didn't come to China until around 200 years ago. But that's really nitpicky and some stupid person will call me a racist...
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Now I never said you were racist now did I? Getting defensive eh?
You should have just said it was unlikely than there wouldn't be this problem
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Oh grow up and get over it you guys ::)
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Oh grow up and get over it you guys ::)
Exactly.
Some people need to get lives.
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You too :P
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Jake Berenson
Rachel Berenson
Tobias Fangor
Cassie Williams
Marco Hernandez
That's the way I always thought of them.
Wasn't it confirmed that Rachel n Jake r both Berenson towards the end of the series?
N same w Tobias. I always assumed that his last name was Fangor. Unless he did take Loren's maiden name. was it ever mentioned what that was? N I dont remember him having a step-dad.
W Cassie n Marco, IDK. I never really assumed anything for them...
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I always seem to be late with these kinds of threads..
I assumed Tobias was Tobias Fangor *shrugs* even if it's not, I'll always think Fangor.
and I always thought Jake and Rachel would have the same last name.
It's funny how you all think of Hispanic sounding names for Marco, it matches, but then again he'd have his dad's last name.. I can't think of one. same with Cassie.
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So, I don't know if this has been done before, but I want everyone to try to guess the Animorphs' last names. Guess along if you can.
Now, we KNOW Jake's last name is Berenson, so now the question is does Rachel have the same last name? This was discussed in another thread, I forget which one, but it said something about how Rachel's father might have been Jake's mother's sister... was that it? Could someone please find that thread?
Now, onto Cassie. She said she had "kind of a nice" last name in #9. The Secret, so that leaves much to the imagination. Personally, I like the last names of Augustine Quill, Verenda, for Cassie, and McCabe for Marco. Why? Think about it. McCabe is the sort of name Marco would LOVE, because it rhymes with McBABE, and he could have tried to use a name starting with Mc in #5. The Predator as a means of disinformation – putting part of the name in plain sight. And Verenda is a nice name. Has a nice ring to it. Anyone else have any more thoughts?
Tobias? Contrary to others' belief, I do NOT believe Tobias's last name is Fangor, because it would have changed when she got married because she never met Elfangor. I think Tobias's last name might be something more normal, like Peterson or William. Tobias William, has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? Then again, it could be ANYTHING.
Any opinions?
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I like to think Tobias' name is Fangor just because I know what his original father really was, and that's what his name would have been if Elfangor had stayed on Earth. I hear that rachel and Jake are raleted by their fathers, so I'm certain her last name is the same as his. Marco and Cassie is anyone's guess.
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Isn't Marco a Hispanic/Latino/Mexican/Spanish type of kid? I always thought his last name might be something like Alvarez, Calderon, Rodriquez or Santana.
Cassie might have a last name as common as Cassie Brown, or she might have an African surname like Maina or Asaria.
Tobias' last name might be Fangor.
Rachel's last name is probably Berenson like Jake.
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Don't forget: Marco's MOTHER would have had the Hispanic name, and her last name would have changed upon marrying Peter, Marco's father.
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True. I think Marco is Hispanic on his mother's side, so his last name is likely causasion.
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Well, when considering Rachel and Jake's families, there's three lines to take into account.
#21. The Threat
"Well, since Rachel's mom and dad got divorced, Ellen and George haven't felt like they were all that close to Rachel's mom."
Megamorphs #3. Elfangor's Secret
<No. Jews are a religion, or a race, I guess. My dad's Jewish. Mostly the Jews in the Holocaust were Germans and Poles. You know, civilians. Normal people. Others, too: Gypsies, gays, handicapped people. They were taken to camps and shot or starved or killed with poison gas. Children killed in their mothers' arms.>
#31. The Conspiracy
"No, I'm not really related," Rachel said. "Grandpa G was Jake's great-grandfather on his mother's side. We're related on his father's side."
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bump for merge.
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Oh.
Then maybe it's Marco Greenberg ;D
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Jake and Rachel are Berenson. I can't even begin to think of a last name for Marco, but all those last names he rattled off in book 5 would work great as his real last name.
I've always imagined Cassie's last name to be Logan, after Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry, a book about a black girl named Cassie in some time period decades ago (I forget the story).
For a fan fiction I'm thinking of writing, I have David's last name as Debassy. His parents are John and Marie. What do you think happened to them after the war? Did they try to contact Cassie to find out what happened to their son?
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I've read quite a few stories about the Animorphs (Fanfiction stories, that is), but I haven't read the canon books in YEARS! So I can't quote the books line for line like most of you. But I do remember a lot of things. Besides, I check the Wikipedia pages for the characters every once in a while...so, yea.
I'm the millionth person to say this: Jake and Rachel's last name IS Berenson; based on the evidence given above. I think the most OBVIOUS bit of proof is from book 31, the Conspiracy. Where Rachel says POINT BLANK that she and Jake are related through their fathers. Unless, of course, Rachel and her sisters (who weren't given very large roles in the series, unfortunately) took their mother's maiden name.
As for the other characters, I find that a lot of Fanfiction authors choose ridiculous surnames for the canon characters. Most obvious of all is Marco's last name, which is often mistaken to be spanish
As for the Tobias argument, I would like to agree with Capnnerefir's theory, stating that Tobias' name (which turns out to be Santorelli in the famous Neomorphs series) and state that, while Tobias would have respected Elfangor as a father figure, he wouldn't have "ditched" his step-father's last name. So, it's unlikely to be Fangor (given the above points). I think his name would have been taken from the man he believed to be his father, and adopted the Fangor surname after book 23, the pretender.
Post Merged: December 01, 2010, 04:31:07 PM
A continuation of the above post, since I went off on something of a tangent...
Like I said, I find that a lot of FF authors choose blatantly ridiculous surnames for the characters (no disrespect intended). I noticed a few references to Augustine Quill's choices for the last names, and while I enjoy and respect his work, I have to disagree. To me, the choices for the character's surnames are just unrealistic. But that's just ONE person's POV, please, don't take it to heart. Just stating my opinion...
I just think that certain characters should have surnames that fit with their ancestry. Given that the characters live in Amercia, we can assume that a lot of their surnames will be taken from early settlers from England, Ireland, etc (though, I'm probably wrong, given my lack of knowledge on Amercian history). And we also have to be careful about stereotyping; example: giving Marco a spannish last name because his mother was a latin American immigrant, or giving Cassie the name Washington, or Johnston because she's an African American...
Here's a few that I've thought of for ALL of the Animorphs; yea, that includes David and James (deny all you want, but they WERE Animorphs, and I think we forget that from time to time):
Tobias Daniels (Step-father's last name)
Cassandra/Cassie MacIntyre
Marco Bryant
James Flint
David Shepherd
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Hey, TMP, if you're going to talk about how you named all the Anis, you can't forget Collette, Kelly and Timmy and all the unnamed Auxs. ;)
I've never really bought into the idea that Tobias' last name is Fangor, either. That said, it's fairly common in fandom.
The ones I and Alikat always use, including mother's maiden names in some cases:
Rachel (Hart) Berenson
Tobias Harper
Cassie Valentine
Marco (Salazar) Laroche
David Sheldon
Most of them are on a "because we liked them" basis. In my ficverse Marco ended up going by Marco Salazar Laroche, because the three names thing was totally cool in the 90's, and Rachel was Hart-Berenson after her parents divorced. We originally had Cassie Love but that felt way too on the nose, so we went with Valentine, because it's still a "kinda nice name", but it's a little less preachy.
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Cassie's last name can be Rose, it's a nice last name
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Now I'm giving last names to all the characters cause I'm writing a fanfic about the Aniverse in general and the post-war period (in an alternative world where Rachel and auxiliary survive).
Well, Jake and Rachel last name is definitely Berenson. Tobias' surname...many say Fangor, but it seems to be too obvious, too easy to discover just in book 23, while in the following book it is theoretically secret. So I imagine that he takes his mother's surname, and I choose an italian surname...I love how italian surnames sound with english names (e.g. James Gandolfini, Robert De Niro, Rudolph Giuliani, John D'Andrea, or simply like fictional Joseph Felitti and Captain Torrelli) so I picture Loren as italo-american. I also invent second name for some character (in one book Cassie says she has a middle name). Marco : I remained with the last names he mentions in #5 : one of them is the true surname, imho. It's not Vazquez, because it is later specificed that is mother is Hispanic, not his father, which is described as tall and pale if I remember correctly.
Jacob Joshua Berenson (but simply "Jake Berenson" sounds much better)
Rachel Ann Berenson
Tobias Morelli
Cassandra Amber Johnson
Marco McCain
and for the other characters :
Eva Moralez
David Carey
James Parker
Craig McPherson
Erica Santorini
Edward Carrington (Visser II)
ahd for some andalites :
Arbron-Enilon-Nascali
Escafil-Estrom-Semitur
Seerow-Iskilion-Forlan
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Hey, TMP, if you're going to talk about how you named all the Anis, you can't forget Collette, Kelly and Timmy and all the unnamed Auxs. ;)
I've never really bought into the idea that Tobias' last name is Fangor, either. That said, it's fairly common in fandom.
The ones I and Alikat always use, including mother's maiden names in some cases:
Rachel (Hart) Berenson
Tobias Harper
Cassie Valentine
Marco (Salazar) Laroche
David Sheldon
Most of them are on a "because we liked them" basis. In my ficverse Marco ended up going by Marco Salazar Laroche, because the three names thing was totally cool in the 90's, and Rachel was Hart-Berenson after her parents divorced. We originally had Cassie Love but that felt way too on the nose, so we went with Valentine, because it's still a "kinda nice name", but it's a little less preachy.
I remember reading one of your stories a while ago, and I really like those last names!
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Elfangor's last name is Shamtul, and Ax's last name is Isthill. But their parents last names are both different. I wonder what goes on with that? Andalites don't use one last name for a family?
Different cultures are different. Several Nordic nations don't use surnames like we do. Your last name is your father's first name + son/daughter. Brandonson, Danielsdottir, etc.
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Tobias: Ellison
Cassie: Cassava
Marco: Valdes
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Man, looking back on my first post around three years ago, I can't help but shake my head and think "what a noob." It just goes to show how much one can change over time. I'm looking at the names I chose then, and I've gotta say, I no longer like what I came up with :P I came up with some new ones for the Animorphs 55 fic that I wrote down.*
*But haven't typed online because I figure it's not all that good.