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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: powertrash on March 09, 2010, 04:04:27 AM
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Does anyone think Marco and Cassie have a weird sexual chemistry going on?
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I didn't watch many episodes, and can't tell anything.
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Nope, never saw that, but on the subject of "Cassie" and "sex", I've always thought Nadia Nascimento was the more attractive of the two female leads (not that Brooke Nevin wasn't good looking either)
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Cassie was WAY too pretty in the TV show...
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Cassie was WAY too pretty in the TV show...
Out of all the ways Nickelodeon screwed up that show, that's one of the few I'll let fly. ;D
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I didn't get any Marco/Cassie vibe, but Marco & Rachel were definitely flirting in many episodes. :P
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I actually saw more of a Jake and Rachel thing actually. Which is very weird, I know :P. But it was one of the reasons why I stopped watching the show in the end. Way too much JakexRachel, not nearly enough JakexCassie :(
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Cassie was probably a case of Hollywood Homely. Someone who is supposed to not be pretty, but actually was. It was one of the most tolerable mistakes, though. There are much better ones to bash.
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I actually saw more of a Jake and Rachel thing actually. Which is very weird, I know :P. But it was one of the reasons why I stopped watching the show in the end. Way too much JakexRachel, not nearly enough JakexCassie :(
One of my friends who watched the show but didn't read the books didn't believe me when I told her Jake and Rachel were cousins. She was convinced that they were going to hook up.
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Not marcoxCassie. I didn't notice much, didn;t watch much. But Cassie was to pretty, but as I others I let is pass. I prefer to pick on the facts that it was live action, the aliens were rubber, no Taxxons, the dracon beams were flashlights, the morphing sucked, and when Ax and the Visser 'fought' it was jsut them slamming into eachother, no bloody tail fighting. >:(
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if anything a little incest could have saved that show. :-* right?
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I think the portrayal Cassie's character was also much more BA than Rachel's anyway. Someone on the LJ community once said that Nevin played her as a blonde that happened to be badass as opposed to a badass that happened to be blonde...which is very true.
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rachel took time to become trully badass though. if the show had continued (and didnt suck) she would have become more and more violent. still though, nevin was a bit too cutesy for me to see her as a believable rachel. and the books never have any other characters describe cassie as ugly. rahel comments on her style occasionally, but not on her looks. jake seems to find her pretty enough, so the only thing we have to go on is her own description of herself, which tend to be flawed for people.
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Kind of offtopic but I HATE(D) that show with a passion, I could never get through more than a few episodes, every episode nick put out is screwed up. Not to mention the way they did the andalites, seeing Visser three and Ax made me want to pull my hair out.
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My memory on the TV show is rather fuzzy, but I remember liking the way Cassie acted just fine. My mental image of her was pretty much exactly how the model looked on the book covers, though, so since the actor playing her didn't resemble the model exactly I couldn't call her the "perfect" Cassie... but her acting was well done. I remember NEVER liking how Marco was done, though. He looked wrong and never acted like the easy-going Marco in the books. (I know actors don't always match the appearance in the original works, so perhaps saying he looked wrong is a silly complaint...but aaaah I never liked how he looked at all :|)
As for Rachel's actor, I do agree that she never really seemed tough enough. Maybe if the show could have gone on longer she would have improved, but I'm not sure. It wasn't the acting that was off so much as how she presented herself, if that makes any sense? Like, body language and all that stuff. I'm sure the actor tried her best and she's probably a fine actor--uuuh I haven't seen her in anything besides Animorphs so I can't properly judge ha--but I doubt she could ever have that tough, confident air that Rachel always had. Rachel was a tough, bold person from day one before the group even became Animorphs, and even if the actor had the right "looks" to play Rachel, she just never presented herself as someone bold like Rachel.
(I think I actually vaguely remember the Jake/Rachel stuff on the show. Pfffffffft I completely forgot about it that's kind of hilarious.)
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There were several continuity problems in the show.
Like they couldn't morph humans, and when Marco tried to morph a security guard, the guy's watch started appearing on his wrist. WTF!?
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That's a continuity issue between the show and the book. It's perfectly "reasonable" considering the TV show allowed for morphing clothes.
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Oh yeah I forgot about that.
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I think I was in too much shock about how awful it was to really notice the horrible chemistry mix-ups.
Two words.
Flashlight Dracons.
*facepalm*
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i think the biggest laugh for me is still the scene where they escaped as butterflies lol and Visser 3 breaking through a door and then morph to human before stepping through lol
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i think the biggest laugh for me is still the scene where they escaped as butterflies lol and Visser 3 breaking through a door and then morph to human before stepping through lol
O.o when did they escape as butterflies?
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They don't even catch the butterfly either. It just lights on Cassie's hand like she's Aurora from sleeping Beauty.
Disclaimer: Yes I have watched Sleeping Beauty recently. I have two young neices. Shut up. ;)
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But the theme song rocked! "It's all in your hands!"
Random side note, if they never make an Animorphs movie, then the Andalite Chronicles would still be awesome stand alone as a feature film. That's almost my absolute favorite book from the series. 8)
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I think I was in too much shock about how awful it was to really notice the horrible chemistry mix-ups.
Two words.
Flashlight Dracons.
*facepalm*
yeah, i remember those.
of all the things wrong with the show, i don't mind the cassie thing quite so much.
jake and rachel should have gotten together on the show, just to further confuse non-readers.
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But the theme song rocked! "It's all in your hands!"
Random side note, if they never make an Animorphs movie, then the Andalite Chronicles would still be awesome stand alone as a feature film. That's almost my absolute favorite book from the series. 8)
Lately I've been thinking that the David trilogy would make a damn epic movie.
And there could be lots of Muse music in it. Wish there was better footage of the show out there, even though it was basically terrible, so I could make many fanvids of it to their new album. Everyone here needs to go listen to "Uprising" immediately. SO perfect.
But I agree, the theme song for the show was pretty good, considering. i still get it stuck in my head for no apparent reason sometimes. And the Jake/Rachel stuff was weird and wrong. Eww. Mostly I just remember being unhappy because Rachel's eyes were the wrong color. That's just silly of me.
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I never memorized what color eyes the Anis have. I think I enjoyed the theme song too. One of the things that came out all right.
I wonder if maybe the producers were trying for a Jake/Rachel pairing to avoid an interracial relationship. If there is Jake/Rachel subtext, and no mention of them being cousins, that may have been their intentions.
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Yeah, but there was still some definite Jake/Cassie in later episodes, so I doubt they were trying to avoid it altogether. I think they might have just been trying to portray Jake and Rachel as 'family-close', but ended up making them seem TOO close.
....And yes, I DID actually sit through the whole thing not that long ago. It's good for a laugh if you already expect it to be bad.
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I might have to watch it again (HAH! Like that's going to happen ;) ) but I really don't recall a lot of Jake/Rachel moments, they might have been worth a laugh though. Then again when I read Ender's Game I didn't even notice that Ender and Valentine were "too creepy close" for a brother and sister until someone pointed it out to me, so where any Jake/Rachel romance may have existed I may just have written it off as a family moment.
One thing that did bug me though when the show first came out was that none of the characters felt right except Cassie and Jake. Tobias didn't look like the kind of kid who'd get bullied, I mean he looked like he'd be the bully. Leather jacket, head taller than everyone else, yeah I can so see anyone trying to shove his head in a toilet ... not. Rachel was just wrong, her voice didn't really carry confidence, and she sounded weak to me. Maybe I was expecting too much too, but Marco just wasn't funny, and . . . what was with the hair cut?
But looking back I really don't remember a ton of Jake/Cassie moments either so . . . yeah, I guess even those two weren't totally perfect, then again Jake and Cassie kept their relationship pretty quiet until they kissed so maybe Jake appearing more interested in Rachel than Cassie just shows how in character his actor was, he was keeping his relationship with the Cassie-character a secret from the viewers :P
The idea that the show's writers might have pushed a Jake/Rachel pairing to avoid an interracial couple is an interesting one, and given the show's "quality" I wouldn't be surprised (disgusted and slightly ashamed of the human race in general, but by no means surprised). I mean it had a few surprisingly well done episodes but on the whole it was almost like they were trying to make it insufferably bad, so sure, why not throw in a bit of "she's my cousin but I love her" a side helping of "escape in butterfly morph, 'cause den we be so fast they no chatch us" and even throw in some Hork-rubber-chicken-bajir to boot.
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I never memorized what color eyes the Anis have. I think I enjoyed the theme song too. One of the things that came out all right.
I wonder if maybe the producers were trying for a Jake/Rachel pairing to avoid an interracial relationship. If there is Jake/Rachel subtext, and no mention of them being cousins, that may have been their intentions.
They Do mention they were cousins in the show.
Remember the episode where they go to the future? Future Rachel says "you were always so ****y cousin. Slam dunk."
And that's just off the top of my head, they probably mentioned it elsewhere too.
Edit: LOL, this forum sensors the word C-o-c-k-y.
Edit 2: just thought of another. In the newer opening credits with voice over, Jake says "my cousin Rachel and I...".
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I didn't see the episode where they went to the future. It was just speculation, though.
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I didn't see the episode where they went to the future. It was just speculation, though.
It was the ep where they get captured by the Yeerks in a net, and then the Ellimist comes and does his thing and shows them a "possible future"
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well,you can only do so much plot-wise with a half hour TV show on a kids channel.....but my god why couldnt someone with a budget step in??? im actually in the process of going back through it, i refuse to stop until i press on through, but some decent graphics and an hour time slot *could* have produced an amazing show. we can only pray for a movie.....
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I'm surprised they even put it on Nick, and I know a 30 minute timeslot can't do it justice. It needs a 60 minute slot, and to be on something like the scifi channel or something.
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I've been rereading this series and I'm still amazed by it. If nothing else, I appreciate it more now that I'm old enough to understand some things better. I just read #18 and I was pissed and I cried when the captain of the Ascalin turned traitor.
The reason they put it on Nick was because the series was sold to younger children. However, the actions and ideas are way too r-rated for kid's tv. You can't go through one book with someone either having a limb torn off or a hole blown through them. Sometimes they even die and have to be revived (either through time travel or an actual shock to the heart).
It's a tricky situation. The networks would have the budget for it but they probably wouldn't go near it. Syfy (because it's sci-fi) or CW (because it's about teens) might be interested but they don't have the budget. Either way, the FCC would have a cow if they heard about a show about child soldiers (even 14-15 year old soldiers). *sigh* It'd be really cool if HBO picked it up but that would probably require quite a few of us selling our souls to the devil...
The way the books were published almost lends itself to a 5 season set-up.
Season 1 --> Books 1 - 12
mid-season 2 parter: MM1
Season 2 --> 13 - 22
Mid-season 2 parter: MM2
Season 3 --> 23 - 33
Mid-season 2 parter: MM3
Season 4 --> 34 - 44
Mid-season 2 parter: MM4
Season 5 --> 45 - 54
And in between seasons there could be made-for-tv/direct to dvd/feature films made based on the Chronicles books.
Also, there are a lot of plots that could be thrown out such as the helmacrons and whatnot to make room for the more important things (like the David trilogy). I just had a laugh. Season 2 ends with David trapped as a rat. Season 3 starts with helmacrons. How anti-climactic is that? Ratings would tank hard...
I would love it if Josh Friedman (Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles) got a hold of this. :)
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Oh I would SO actually pay for HBO if it was on there.
But that would be a really terrible way to end/start seasons LOL.
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I think David ending up trapped as a rat on some small island would be an awesome season ending. Tobias finding out who his father is would be a great season opener and then jump right into some stupid helmacron bs... ratings would tank...
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I would agree to the whole TV show thing. I've always felt like a 'teen network' could play it up. It would have to be a very different show but it could work.
I think the characters could be the same ages, but they defiantly wouldn't be so innocent, especially in the later seasons. The violence could actually be used (note, although not overplayed.)
I think I'm pretty much alone in that some of my fave animorphs scenes are when they are just being normal... Or at least trying to be normal!
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You aren't alone. I liked the parts when they weren't constantly fighting Yeerks too. That's part of the reason why I like the beginning of the series more than the later books. Parts like Ax going to the movies and screaming "Globules!" over and over.
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As far as a network that could pull it off, the BBC has shown that they can handle kid-friendly-but-still-dark sci-fi shows, if Doctor Who is anything to go by.
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Thats actually a fantastic point. Doctor Who would be a pretty good example. The BBC also does 'dark' well with shows like spooks.
Thing is... I think the animorphs kind of have to be american... Its a whole naievity that america had (particularly in the nineties) about war. I mean, most of us managed to have a nice, friendly, war free childhood!
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Since you mentioned the Beeb, Have you seen Misfits? It's about some teenagers who get superpowers randomly and it's funny while still having a good bit of blood and violence at times. I'd love to see a new Animorphs show/movie so bad.
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The show did have its moments.
Ax trying to figure out ice cream by smashing it on his shoe and face.
Jake's call to Tom where he tells him to keep fighting chokes me up.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AetdbJ7Mwv8[/youtube]
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I think I remember an episode which was the first time they showed Marco's dad. except he wasn't the almost suicidal wreck he was in the fifth book. Maybe the producers thought that would be too dark to show, though it ruined a lot of the motivation for Marco I believe. Not only has Peter coped better, but they showed Visser One doing things like smelling flowers to help her control Eva. This is the Yeerk that was still in complete control in book 15 when Eva recognized her son and dispaired because they assumed Marco was a controller.
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Season 1 --> Books 1 - 12
mid-season 2 parter: MM1
Season 2 --> 13 - 22
Mid-season 2 parter: MM2
Season 3 --> 23 - 33
Mid-season 2 parter: MM3
Season 4 --> 34 - 44
Mid-season 2 parter: MM4
Season 5 --> 45 - 54
Wow, S4's gonna suck.
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Jake's call to Tom where he tells him to keep fighting chokes me up.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AetdbJ7Mwv8[/youtube]
Oh, I love that scene. It's really the only one I clearly remember from the series (never watched the whole thing through). Except then Tom's reaction is kinda funny.
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^ Well, he tried to take back control and the Yeerk had to fight back.
If it's that bad for Tom, could you imagine Alloran's nightmare life with that slug in his head?
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I can. And it actually surprised me that he's not just catatonic after decades of being owned by that guy. It seems like his love for his family kept him going. I know he tried to commit genocide against the Hork-Bajir, but even that may be more than he deserved as punishment.
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The show was definitely flawed, but I totally admit to enjoying it. On a slightly random note, one scene that always stuck out to me was the last couple episodes, when Jake is a controller and Cassie is "babysitting" him. Jake puts on this smile and says, "Cassie...Cassie, look at me!" the way he said it, so manipulative, still gets to me after all these years.
I despise Brooke Nevin as an actress.