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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: anijen21 on December 24, 2009, 02:47:10 PM
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So I've been thinking about #54 lately, and I was wondering what your guys' opinions were.
We learn in 54 that Andalites essentially give Z-Space technology to humans in exchange for...Cinnabons. Okay, whatever, sure. But, fifty years after that, or a hundred years after that, what do you think the humans' role in the Animorphs galaxy would be? Do you think we'd still be cool with the Andalites, or do you think, by then, they would have figured out how to grow wheat, sugar cane, and raise livestock so they could make their own Cinnabons? What do you think the human *talent* or *trait* would be? The Hork-Bajir were fierce, the Taxxons were insane, the Andalites were arrogant...what one *word* would aliens describe humans as? What would be our hat?
I kind of think there'd be a point in the future where we'd get into a fight with the Andalites. Humans are driven by curiosity, the need to explore, and I just picture us asking "Can we go there?" <No, sorry, it's dangerous.> "But why?" <BECAUSE IT IS NOW GO MAKE ME A CINNABON AND SHUT UP> you know?
Anyway, what are your thoughts?
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I can see in 50-100 years after the events in the series that humans would somehow improve on something the Andalites started but couldn't figure out how to finish.
Remember how Ax kept flipping out when he read time lines of Human invention (first flight to first in space, discovering radioactivity to nuclear weaponry, etc)? Or how he couldn't believe it when Marco's dad understood Z-Space?
Based on what Ax says, the Andalites were only ahead because they had so much time to figure things out, while humans accelerated through technology at a faster rate, just with less time.
Given the resources and a good place to start, and assuming the Andalites don't stop them, I can see humans becoming a significant power in the Animorphs universe after enough time. If anything, humans have sheer numbers.
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I think our adjective would probably be "inventive" or "persistant." The two traits that Ax and other aliens in the series seem to continually point out about humans, is that they are very fast learners and good at innovation and adaptivity, and that we refuse to give up, even when it would be the rational thing to do.
So, once released upon an unsuspecting galaxy, I think humans would eventually surpass the Andalites, and if they tried to stop us, we'd retaliate and refuse to back down until they got out of our way.
Which makes me think that maybe the Yeerks weren't the worst race that the Andalites gave advanced technology to.
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our trait probably be "many" and yeah, i can definitely see humans taking our imperialistic tendencies into space, for better or worse.
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a very interesting topic and interesting replies everyone.
hrrmm. What would humans in animorphs universe be like 50 - 100 years post #54. I think first of all, that humans would certainly be very advanced. As a previous poster above said, the andalites reckon humans learn very fast. It is mentioned alot in Ax's first narrator book -'#8 the alien' where the after reading the world almanac cassie gives him, he comments on something about how humans did something like how short a while ago in history we built our first flying machine, and then a mere 50 or so years later we've managed to land on our moon. Ax said that it took andalites twice as long. Too lazy to look for page reference atm, but its in there. Then I think he goes on to say that we would be capable of faster then light travel soon, near the end of the book I think. Actually, he is surprisingly quite flattering towards humans in this book.
On humans in general, I saddens me to say that I don't think its very far fetched to imagine us as the bad guys replacing or even outdoing the yeerks. History proves that humans are capable of being just plain evil mofos -and historically, alot of these poeple were major leaders! Hitler and Stalin comes to mind. I think humans are capable of being much more evil than the yeerks, and an evil person actually comes around to exist. Us, our history as a race, a species, has been tarnished by attempts and accomplishments in genocide. We don't even see ourselves and one united singular species. It is as if we see people of different color skin, ethnicity and from different nations and cultures as another total different species altogether, based on the racism, prejudice and discrimination that has and still do exist.
Hitler was willing to kill millions of innocent people of his species - humans, the jewish people. Even yeerks such as visser three - who as we've seen has no qualms about lopping of the heads and limps of those poor human and hork-bajir controllers who happened to pissed him off by questioning his orders - showed that he still cared for his own kind and wasn't capable of just letting alot of them die (TAC, HBC and #54). In incidences that I've seen in those books, he shows concern about the possibility of having the thousands of his yeerk comrades who were still in the yeerk pool above the ships getting flushed into space. Hitler, on the other hand, a human, I'm sure would actually enjoy having thousands if not millions of jews getting flushed into the vacuum if space. He'd probably want to do it himself.
Humans it seems, have more free will, more individualism, more differentiating and conflicting views, visions, hopes, dreams and ideas from each other on how things should be on just about everything. One guy may have an idea that is good and moral. the next person might have his own agenda and views which he would think is right and justified, but is in fact, immoral. There is too much difference amongst us in terms of mental thought, ideas, interpretation, standards of ethics and morality that it is easy for evil humans to come into existence. We are capable of inflicting genocide, ethnic cleansing and mass murder amongst/towards our own species. So how can we expect to get along for long with something that is a total different species altogether?
The andalites I assume would be wary of humans. By then, in the 50-100 years and from Aximilli's reports if he had made any on humans - (I would assume he did, since he said that when the war was over, he would write a book about humans cuz he considered himself an expert, with due reason as we all know) the andalites would know both our potential to be a superpower and also our potential and capability to be evil. Of unspeakable evil. An andalite need just to pick up a book on hitler and I would bet he would have second thoughts on looking at us as a peaceful, harmony and tolerant race.
I think the andalites would definitely try to control us, have some kind of leverage or advantage over us. And I think this would clash with humans, as we are naturally curious and always willing to explore, jump into the unknown and advance. I don't think we would get along with the andalites and be faithful & sincere buddies for long.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the andalites were secretly quarantining earth, you know, always keeping a close eye on earth and making a fuss about everything getting to do with earths attempts in interstellar activities. I think this was posted in a post i forgot which one, but post #54 earth is a melting pot of former yeerks, yeerk nothlits, former controllers, taxxon nothlits and hork-bajirs. The knowledge and know how of how to build and operate advance crafts and weapons are still there with them. The possibilities and potentials of people using these resources for evil is high, to 'in your face' for them to ignore/tolerate imo.
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I think that Humans will find a way to screw things up fairly quickly; we usually do. The morphing technology is a very bad thing to give to anyone who wants it. There's no way to track who has what morphs and what they're doing with them. Plus, the Andalites said that they didn't want to give us any weapons technology, but even in book #54 we see that the military is starting to use the morphing technology for military operations. That's sure to piss off the Andalites and possibly throw a wrench into the relations.
In 50-100 years I see the Andalites and Humans having a sort of feud going. I doubt there will have been any "wars" since the Andalites can simply crush us if they wanted to, but they may demand their technology back or something. I feel fairly confident that we won't have good relations with them though.
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I think that Humans will find a way to screw things up fairly quickly; we usually do. The morphing technology is a very bad thing to give to anyone who wants it. There's no way to track who has what morphs and what they're doing with them. Plus, the Andalites said that they didn't want to give us any weapons technology, but even in book #54 we see that the military is starting to use the morphing technology for military operations. That's sure to piss off the Andalites and possibly throw a wrench into the relations.
In 50-100 years I see the Andalites and Humans having a sort of feud going. I doubt there will have been any "wars" since the Andalites can simply crush us if they wanted to, but they may demand their technology back or something. I feel fairly confident that we won't have good relations with them though.
thing is, andalites are kinda aholes too. they were more than willing to destroy our planet to hurt the yeerks. in the future, we would probably still be on reasonably terms, but it would be strained. the andalites would keep trying to contain us, and guide us, trying not to unleash another menace on the galaxy like they did with the yeerks, and wed want to explore away, and find new planets to colonize, since if everyone is attractive, our birthrates would probably go up quite a bit.
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In about 50-100 years, I think the humans will indeed surpass the Andalites. as persistent and creative humans are, im sure they could even find ways to get around the limits to morphing(like the time limit, morphing clothes, the amount of time it takes to morph, ect) Hell, they could even find away to acquire other organisms just by looking at them. Unfortunately, being the arrogant aholes that they are, the Andalites will most likely feel threatened by the humans sudden progression and some feuds(not exactly wars) will more than likely break out. I don't think the Andalites would be dumb enough to challenge humans to an all out war though. Sure the Andalites have their ships and tailblades, but who knows what the hell humans will have by the then, combined with all the dangerous stuff we have now(plus we could threaten to stop supplying the Andalites with their precious Cinnamon Buns), we could very well become one of the most feared species in the galaxy.
Now for some positive stuff. With the healing abilities that comes with morphing, we can expect very few sick humans, in fact we may be able to cure all sicknesses just by morphing not to mention the increase in life expectancy. I see great things in store for humanity in the Animorphs universe(which is why I's love to live there)
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Okay. I'm going to start by saying that in 50-100 years post-54 humanity will have made leaps and bounds in technology, but not everyone will reap the rewards. First of all, it's difficult for me to imagine a unified government, allowing us just to be 'humans' and not 'Americans', 'Britains', 'Russians', etc. In addition to that, there will still be our economic systems, which results in clear class differences: upper, lower and middle. That said, I think the majority of technological advances will be enjoyed by the upper classes, the military, and the political elite. Additionally, I think that those who do go into space or make use of the technology will be divided into roughly three categories, based on how society currently works.
1) The Military/Politicals: It doesn't matter what country. You will have military out there, looking to expand their countries territory and secure whatever resources the moon or planet may or may not have, regardless of who or what already works there. I see this especially happening on planets with non-sentient life or sentient life that is of a lower intelligence than ours. I can see our own countries duking it out for territory, in addition to dealing with whatever other alien species may have a claim. I also see us fiercely protecting anything that is 'ours'. I imagine that we will try our hand and diplomacy with the races that suit us best, especially the Andalites. However, I think that eventually, as our technology surpasses theirs, the scales will tip in such a way that we will no longer become allies because the Andalites will not accept the humans being 'superior', and humans vice versa. I do see us getting along well with, and using effectively, the Skrit Na.
2) The Consumers: The rich and famous of Earth will be able to take advantage of prime real estate in the Hork-Bajir valleys, a vacation cruise on Leera, or visit a highly acclaimed Skrit Na zoo and see creatures from throughout the galaxy. For those who can afford it, the options are limitless. For those who can't afford it, they can always visit the new "Taxxon Hive" roller coaster ride at Disney World instead.
3) The Missionaries: Hey, no one likes spreading their ideals more than the religiously motivated. Religion has been a major factor in so many events in our history that I have to imagine there are those who will presume it their duty to 'spread the word' to those poor unsaved Andalites. Additionally, on the flip side, I see a lot of protests and debate as to aliens place on the religious spectrum (regardless of affiliation). I'm sure there will also be those haters that think all aliens will go to hell, or are devils or...something.
For those who are not rich enough to afford space travel, unwilling to join the military, and do not have the religious zeal to become a missionary, I don't think life will change very much. Rather, I think the only difference will be an improvement in the cable service (we can hope, right?). I do think that the black market will explode with Dracon Beams and other high-tech gear, possibly leading to a more dangerous life on Earth, especially in the cities. Can't imagine life changing much for Dorothy on her farm in Kansas, though.
Overall, I find it hard to picture humans as being the 'good guys' or the 'bad guys'. Yeah, I think it's more likely that we end up screwing things up, polluting other peoples planets and starting wars amongst ourselves and other species. I also think that there will be some scientists/diplomats who are genuinely interested in the exploration and education that can be gained from the situation. The bad typically outweighs the good, though.
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I think all humanity needs is the morphing power and we're pretty much set for life lol
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(sorry, I didn't read everything, I'm a little lazy... OK, I really very very lazy ^^')
I agree a lot with Acalio. The first word who came to my mind was: "dangerous". The Andalites, after a while, would understand how dangerous are the Humans. And finally there would probably be a war or Andalites would stop exchange with the Humans. Like they do with their other big enemy.
Humans are curious, they'd go far and farer and farer... Humans create a lot, so they'd probably invent many new things before the Andalites (who then become jealous and angry, of course ^^). Humans destroy also a lot... So you can imagine.
Andalites would probably miss the Yeerks, after all ^^'
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so whos writing the fanfic where 5 andalite teenagers and 1 hork bajir team up to stop the human invasion of the andalite homeworld?
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so whos writing the fanfic where 5 andalite teenagers and 1 hork bajir team up to stop the human invasion of the andalite homeworld?
lol Good idea ;)
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Yeh, I think humans are potentially and justifiably more evil and dangerous than the yeerks. think about it - why did the yeerks do what they did i.e. conquering other races in the first place? cuz they want host bodies cuz they didn't have proper bodies. Its inevitably understandable that an intelligent, sentient and self-aware creature would want to be able to see, hear, touch, move, smell etc. etc. basicly what we humans have naturally.
Now we humans, we have this naturally, and yet we still conquer and kill our own kind. at least the yeerks had a legitimate and understandable reason for their 'evil'. What was Hitlers reasons? oh, he just didn't like the jews cuz they were jews so he figured he'd just kill'em all? and other evil human leaders throughout history.
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Yeh, I think humans are potentially and justifiably more evil and dangerous than the yeerks. think about it - why did the yeerks do what they did i.e. conquering other races in the first place? cuz they want host bodies cuz they didn't have proper bodies. Its inevitably understandable that an intelligent, sentient and self-aware creature would want to be able to see, hear, touch, move, smell etc. etc. basicly what we humans have naturally.
Now we humans, we have this naturally, and yet we still conquer and kill our own kind. at least the yeerks had a legitimate and understandable reason for their 'evil'. What was Hitlers reasons? oh, he just didn't like the jews cuz they were jews so he figured he'd just kill'em all? and other evil human leaders throughout history.
Wasn't it Ax who, more than once, commented on the evil that humans were capable of, and how the Yeerks were in over their heads? I think it's safe to say that humanity as a whole can be a hell of a lot more evil than the Yeerks.
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Wasn't it Ax who, more than once, commented on the evil that humans were capable of, and how the Yeerks were in over their heads? I think it's safe to say that humanity as a whole can be a hell of a lot more evil than the Yeerks.
I agree. It's just that the Yeerks are 'gifted' with the ability to control people, which allows the Hitlers and Stalins to rise more prominently. If humans had a way to control others completely in body and mind, you can be sure it would be completely exploited.
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I think the issue with humans becoming the technological equals or superiors of Andalites is that humans rarely think things through and rarely delay satisfaction for greater benefits down the road. Despite some of their less likable traits, Andalites have used the time it took them to make technological advances to be methodical and intentional. Didn't Ax say at some point that most Andalites have only a few morphs, if any at all? They don't tend to abuse the technological power they have.
But humans would move so quickly into technological advances that I imagine that they'd act like a ten-year-old just approved for a credit card. Humans may have earned their technological advances (although they do owe their latest strides to the Andalites), but they probably wouldn't be thinking of using them in the most useful, morally upright, or beneficial ways. Like the credit card kid who will be spending money in what ways please him or make him popular with his peers, humans would probably continue use technology in ways that benefit only a few (like Jessi said, probably the rich and powerful few). Ater all, humans can be incredibly selfish. Even though humanity would have achieved such a state of technological advance faster than other races thanks to Andalite influence, I imagine the race will come to feel a sense of entitlement to Z-space travel and morphing technology in time.
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I think the issue with humans becoming the technological equals or superiors of Andalites is that humans rarely think things through and rarely delay satisfaction for greater benefits down the road. Despite some of their less likable traits, Andalites have used the time it took them to make technological advances to be methodical and intentional. Didn't Ax say at some point that most Andalites have only a few morphs, if any at all? They don't tend to abuse the technological power they have.
But humans would move so quickly into technological advances that I imagine that they'd act like a ten-year-old just approved for a credit card. Humans may have earned their technological advances (although they do owe their latest strides to the Andalites), but they probably wouldn't be thinking of using them in the most useful, morally upright, or beneficial ways. Like the credit card kid who will be spending money in what ways please him or make him popular with his peers, humans would probably continue use technology in ways that benefit only a few (like Jessi said, probably the rich and powerful few). Ater all, humans can be incredibly selfish. Even though humanity would have achieved such a state of technological advance faster than other races thanks to Andalite influence, I imagine the race will come to feel a sense of entitlement to Z-space travel and morphing technology in time.
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I think you have a good point here.
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I'm not sure any of us can really make accurate predictions about our future based on human history at this point. This might sound a bit nuts, but I see humanity at this very moment as being on the verge of a revolution that will make the industrial revolution look like nothing. I'm talking about information- freely available and readily accessible by anyone, anywhere, at any time. Power in the hands of the people at large, rather than just governments and executives. RAF sort of showcases what I'm talking about- people from different nations and backgrounds are able to come together and discuss things just like this. We've already seen examples of internet information changing the real world in very measurable ways at unprecedented rates, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. I predict that, a century from now, humanity will hardly resemble what we know today. The coming wave of information will roll over everything we have ever known, and no power on Earth- not current education systems, not the RIAA, not the Chinese government- will be able to stand up against that tide for long. I predict thousand-year-old empires simply dissolving in the face of it - it's very scary and very exciting to me.
Human beings have a tendency to gravitate towards perceived power wherever possible, and lately, we're seeing an increasing trend towards both people trying to make their voices heard (see Twitter, for example) and people conforming to peer opinion (see basically anything popular). Basically, I'm saying the future of humanity is equally likely to be run by people who are moral (like most of the people here, it seems) as it is by those who are hateful or just imperialistic.
That said, I don't see it as an easy thing to predict where modern humanity is headed- let alone humanity given help with Andalite faster-than-light technology and morphing abilities. My best guess is that eventually humanity will see relative unity under a centralized "government" with most people belonging to smaller, indistinctly divided "factions" with varying loyalty to each other and humanity at large. All of humanity becomes one big high school with a million cliques ::)
I guess the one word I see aliens species using to describe humans is "opportunistic." If a human sees an advantage to something, they'll take it. It would make us unpredictable and annoying to deal with, but not consistently evil. Depending on who you talk to, you might get people with the ability to look ahead and see that the smartest thing to do is to deal fairly with your species, or you might get the corporate type who sees it as more profitable to blow up your tree to get at your unobtainium (Avatar's probably more accurate than I thought at first). Sadly, humanity's overall shortsightedness would probably lead us to be a race of uncontainable, disorganized conquerors in most cases. The Andalites, Yeerks, Hork-Bajir, any anyone else who we encountered would wind up being exploited in whatever way suits the moment. Sort of a more competitive Skrit Na.
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All of humanity becomes one big high school with a million cliques ::)
Dear God, that concept terrifies me.
You have some valid points, we are at the crux of a new era. Who knows where our own technology will lead us, let alone throwing alien tech into the mix. I don't see morality winning out, though, but that's because I'm a cynic. :)
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Haha... so take the reigns, Terenia. As moral people (I like to think of myself as one), it will be our responsibility to steer humanity towards a more moral future. The future is now! Carpe diem! Half off all used appliances! Wait... :huh:
You're right, though, the cynic in me agrees with the cynical you. Human beings are naturally too selfish for the future to be too remarkably bright.
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Haha... so take the reigns, Terenia. As moral people (I like to think of myself as one), it will be our responsibility to steer humanity towards a more moral future. The future is now! Carpe diem! Half off all used appliances! Wait... :huh:
Hah. I already spend all of my spare time trying to instill values on the youth of tomorrow. If you want me to take on the whole world, I demand a pay raise.
Regardless, I think that the coming of our own and alien technology will result in a very interesting resource issue. What becomes a valuable resource then? If all information is freely available, what will humans covet? Humans always seek to be the 'best', and we are inherently selfish. I see that basic aspect of human nature over-riding any morality. Not for everyone, of course, but for the ones who manage to seat themselves in a position of power.
Maybe in the future it'll be the owners of sites like Twitter and Facebook and MySpace and Craigslist who rule the earth, and control the resources. But just because it's a different structure with different rulers, that doesn't mean it is less corrupt.
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Human nature is to be selfish, and yes, those in power will always have a tendency to try to bolster their power in whatever way possible. The information thing, to me, makes it so that they have to work ever harder to maintain public favor so they can retain their power. If they do something people don't like, they can be called out on it hardcore. The motivation may not be a sense of morality, but the end result would be, at least superficially. It's a start, anyway.
At least enough to hold us until the robot overlords take over and make "free will" and "pain" both things of the past >:D
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I see the animorphs universe as being a great place for humanity: The andalites seem to be stuck in a confucian mold and don't advance technology very quickly so we would surpass them quickly, with so many former yeerks/yeerk human nothlits the andalites depriving earth of military technolgy would quicly become meaningless. The Hork-Bajir would be forever grateful for us (our morality pets) and we could cheerfully mine the yeerk and taxxon homeworlds to dust. Capitalism and technology have brought more people out of poverty than at any time (read george gilder-he explains the importance of technology in improving humanity)in human histoy, therefore the influx of Andalite and Human technology would create exponential development and wealth, this wealth might lower our birth rate (the best contraceptive is money after all) but I am sure Earth could establish colonies to other planets and therefore provide homes (it would also be a great way to get rid of criminals as well-a whole planet for everybodies convicts!) for earths ever expanding population. Of course the old elites (the Andalites would) object to our growth on moral grounds (as is the tendency of elites to keep down the proto elites on phony grounds) but stuck in their Confucian/herbivorous/low population paradigm they would quickly become irrelevant. Nor do I see a problem with Russia/China/America etc having their own colonies consisting solely of their people: if the population of a planet is mono-cultural then there will be less conflict, and why should nations pick and chose what to do with their own resources and technology?
Nor do I see the need to have a centralised world goverment because:
Why should the world be ruled by the Chinese/Indians on alternate years (the nations with largest populations would always win any elections) which would be unfair on low population nations such as France or Italy or New Zealand (to be ruled in what would essentially be a global empire pretending to be a democracy)
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Must run now.
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... Teach's uber long post here
See teach, that's where i disagree. Humanity could only survive 50 - 100 years post 54 IF the current world gov't. was abolished and a Socalist Communism gov't. type was founded.
Even though the only person who could possibly run that government type is Ghandi, it is the ONLY type that could possibly work in this senario.
I think the issue with humans becoming the technological equals or superiors of Andalites is that humans rarely think things through and rarely delay satisfaction for greater benefits down the road. Despite some of their less likable traits, Andalites have used the time it took them to make technological advances to be methodical and intentional. Didn't Ax say at some point that most Andalites have only a few morphs, if any at all? They don't tend to abuse the technological power they have.
But humans would move so quickly into technological advances that I imagine that they'd act like a ten-year-old just approved for a credit card. Humans may have earned their technological advances (although they do owe their latest strides to the Andalites), but they probably wouldn't be thinking of using them in the most useful, morally upright, or beneficial ways. Like the credit card kid who will be spending money in what ways please him or make him popular with his peers, humans would probably continue use technology in ways that benefit only a few (like Jessi said, probably the rich and powerful few). Ater all, humans can be incredibly selfish. Even though humanity would have achieved such a state of technological advance faster than other races thanks to Andalite influence, I imagine the race will come to feel a sense of entitlement to Z-space travel and morphing technology in time.
Marie, that is exactly the point i'm trying to make here! Unless the world government controls everything (and i mean, EVERYTHING), it is impossible for the Human species as a race to survive 50 - 100 years post #54.
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and another thing. with my above point about the Socalist Communism Government, it IS impossible for a normal person to run it, because as stated in a post before, humans are naturally greedy, so we (as a race) would just end up either killing ourselves OR overcolonizing but that just makes moot point to my above arguments.
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... Teach's uber long post here
See teach, that's where i disagree. Humanity could only survive 50 - 100 years post 54 IF the current world gov't. was abolished and a Socalist Communism gov't. type was founded.
Even though the only person who could possibly run that government type is Ghandi, it is the ONLY type that could possibly work in this senario.
Haha, nice quote, Hunter. ;)
Maybe we couldn't survive unless we had one overarching government/economic system. However, I find it difficult to imagine our societies all jumping on the bandwagon with that one. Which, as you predict, may be humanities ultimate demise.
If we did end up going to one socialist/communist government I imagine it would be preceded by a large amount of dissent and war. I mean, if tomorrow the UN said, "Alright, everyone is on OUR system now! Our economy, our laws, our bills, our monetary system, and by the way everyone is on metric!" ....well, quite a few people would disagree (especially the countries who don't have a permanent seat), especially considering that the UN represents 192 countries, all of which have very different ways of running things.
I do agree with Marie, though. The credit card analogy is a good one and, like the ten year old, I can see humanity getting itself in a lot of trouble.
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See teach, that's where i disagree. Humanity could only survive 50 - 100 years post 54 IF the current world gov't. was abolished and a Socalist Communism gov't. type was founded.
Even though the only person who could possibly run that government type is Ghandi, it is the ONLY type that could possibly work in this senario.
Marie, that is exactly the point i'm trying to make here! Unless the world government controls everything (and i mean, EVERYTHING), it is impossible for the Human species as a race to survive 50 - 100 years post #54.
:and another thing. with my above point about the Socalist Communism Government, it IS impossible for a normal person to run it, because as stated in a post before, humans are naturally greedy, so we (as a race) would just end up either killing ourselves OR overcolonizing but that just makes moot point to my above arguments.
You do realise that communism/socialism is the worst system of government ever invented don't you? Or do you not care about 100 million people it has killed in a single century? verily the road to hell is paved by ideologists. The way to make the world better is make it more free economically and politically, the only problem is the evil of human interpersonal relationship, and nothing but religion will ever come close to ever fixing that. as internet technology has made the world a more free place (observe the role of twitter in iran) gradually (nothing good ever came quickly) so too would the influx of andalite and yeerk technology make Earth more free (politically and economically) , this development would be positivie (something wrong with computer can't type much)
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really? communism is worse than a dictatorship where poor people are tagged with GPS chips, along with bloodtype and immune information so that when a rich person gets sick, they can be tracked down and have the needed organs removed?
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i didn't mean it like that, at all russianspy1234.
by what i posted, i meant that the only way we would be able to survive 50-100 years post-54 would to have one unified government type. i was only using Socalist Communism as a basis for my argument.
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well, the andalites, what governing system do they have? they don't seem to have dividing nations with each its own government and laws dividing their species apart like how humans. The andalites all seem to be unified as one single country so to speak, under one government. Maybe the andalite homeworld has just one massive piece of land and that land is a single nation? who knows. Anyway, they have the electorate, which is chosen and influenced by the peoples votes. the people seem to have alot of power and say, as evident in alot of times where it is where andalite has to do things in secret or cover up things, being scared that the andalite public would know, for example - elfangor giving morphing power, time and time again ax mentioning that the rest of the andalite people must not have known this and that of what the andalites in charge were doing, and especially in book #54, how ax hacked into the civilian net and broadcasted their meeting with that feylorn guy tlaking about quaranting earth and not giving yeerks the morphing ability. So, it seems that it is like a democracy of sorts. But from elfangors description of his and other andalites families work, each family or communities do their small bit which then once combined with others altogether contributes the greater good of their world. maybe its somekind of middle ground between democracy and socialism or communism or wateva. Like they picked out aspects of each which seemed to work best along with eatchother. pick out each systems best qualities and join them up to make the ultimate, best governing system.
Maybe humans of the future could adopt this kind of system too?
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democracy is a system of government in which the people somehow decide who is in charge of leading them, the opposite of a monarchy. communism is a monetary system in which all people are treated as equal, effectively everyone earns the same amount of money no matter what, or in some cases instead of money, you actually just get what you need in stuff. the opposite is capatilism. therefore, they are perfectly compatible, without needing to tweak anything. no of course, humans are greedy, and thats why communism doesnt work, but its not inherently bad. chances are, the world will never fully unify, even against a space threat, but i can definitely see earth nations becoming friendlier with each other as we start reaching out into space. at the same time, those that dont want to unify will be able to settle on their own planet. as for the morphing power, well the ramifications of that are far more complicated, especially since until the technology is duplicated, we only have what 6 blue boxes to go around?
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I don't really think the Andalite system of government is ideal: indeed the fact that it seems that each family produces a little bit (heat parts or whatever) and this is combined with others, now this could be okay: rather like having a family business or it could be an aspect of an intrusive state the controls people and tells them that they must do something for the greater good, rather than doing what is best for them personally. This is a reduction in individual liberty if your job is state ordained. and I think the Andalite one world government only works because Andalites are a mono-cultural species: they don't have racial or religious differences that make smaller nations (the awful divisions of which you speak) necessary. Perhaps this state of mono cultural one world government was achieved by killing minorities...
It is unjust to treat everyone 'equal' why should people have everything taken away from them by an intrusive government that thinks it knows better than the individual and then give it someone who doesn't deserve it. Communism doesn't fail because people are selfish, communism fails because it is an unjust system. (people are still selfish, but autocratic systems allow the most selfish wicked people to get into power)
Democracy without capitalism merely becomes a series of organised coups: in a socialist system where the state controls wealth then political power becomes a matter of money (since employment/income spring from the state) it is also a finite resource as there are only so many bureaucrats that one needs (this is why most socialist parties increase the size of government bureacracies: to increase the number that they employ and therefore socialist leaning people), since access to the government ensures income there is a huge incentive to kill dissenters. this combined with the idealogists belief that there utopia justifies any tyranny (since idealogists: be they the Taliban, Fascists, or Communists believe they can make the world a perfect place if only their ideas were implemented)because all dissenters (people who don't fit into their narrow autocratic world view) are preventing the fulfillment of this perfect utopian existence. in a capitalist system wealth is separate from government control and increases infinitly (human capital and people employing each other creating more consumers (and i can't type properly because i can't see whole box anymore.
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I honestly don't see any form of government being able to retain control over an interstellar empire. Humanity, when given z-space technology, would spread to the stars and try to colonize every planet they could get their hands on. A central government might work for a while, but eventually the populations of distant systems are going to get larger, and they're not going to want to be run by a bureaucracy or dictatorship (or whatever) on a distant planet (Earth) with no real concept of what their situation is. I simply cannot fathom a realistic government with the resources and organization to keep control on such immense scales.
By the time humanity reaches that point we may have moved beyond nations and become more unified as a people, or you might still have the Japanese competing with the Americans out there. Either way, I see colonies discarding central Earth control and becoming more independent- how violent this time would be depends on the regime(s) in power at that point, but eventually I see humanity becoming basically a collection of independent nations spread across as many star systems as we can get our hands on, with a capitalist-type economic system that somewhat resembles the global trade system today.
The Andalites can remain unified, true, but I get the feeling that nearly all Andalites live on their home planet. The Yeerks can remain unified, but they all have basically the same goal in mind (hosts), and they seem to be good at considering the future. Humans are shortsighted, curious to a fault, and would likely be very a expansionist people in space. The Andalites, the Skrit Na, the Taxxons, the remaining Yeerks- none of them reproduce or advance fast enough to keep up with us, apparently, so I see them all becoming little more than minor players in a dramatic human-dominated galaxy. Such a future might be a couple hundred years from the end of the series, but that's really where I see it going. That's actually a little depressing...
Haha... oh, I made myself sad :(
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And there is nothing wrong with human colonies breaking away from the mother planet: would you rather have America ruled by the british empire in a centralised government that everyone seems to aspire to here (because empires are so much fun) or would you rather have the colonies split off (either violently if the home country is foolish) or peacefully remain members of a commonwealth?
Having said that Earth future would be bright (lots of colonies to put our excessive number of people: mono-cultural planets and therefore fewer wars, technology leading to a breakdown of state power and state control and therefore more political and economic freedom (ie more capitalism therefore more wealth more wealth equals greater political freedom) ...
For the first 50 or so years Earth would stil be that sh---y third world planet that everybody would give aid to and be frightened to visit anywhere but the West (and aliens would start assuming that all humans are Americans lol)
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voodooqueen, it sounds so much more optimistic coming from you than it did in my head. Thanks for the uplift ^_^
So... is it possible for humanity escape capitalism? Is a communist economic structure even feasible long term? Or is it always destined to be replaced by a capitalism at some point? Would it be possible to plan a communism that could stand the test of time? Or are universes like the one in Star Trek destined to remain science fiction forever?
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voodooqueen, it sounds so much more optimistic coming from you than it did in my head. Thanks for the uplift ^_^
So... is it possible for humanity escape capitalism? Is a communist economic structure even feasible long term? Or is it always destined to be replaced by a capitalism at some point? Would it be possible to plan a communism that could stand the test of time? Or are universes like the one in Star Trek destined to remain science fiction forever?
It is impossible for complete communism to survive in a large and educated society. The simple fact is that human nature forbids it. To advance, humans need two things: motivation and competition. In capitalism, humans are motivated to work harder, in an effort to gain more wealth to care for themselves, as well as friends and family, and possibly in pursuit of more philanthropic goals if enough wealth is gained. Also in capitalism, humans are in direct competition with each other - there's only so much money in circulation at any given time, and a person needs to get ahead if they want to succeed. It's pretty basic really; think back to school. Would anyone really care to strive for high grades if every student got into Harvard for free no matter what? Humans naturally want to meet or exceed the standings of their peers. It can't be ignored that capitalism sustains one of the darker and often inalienable aspects of humanity - greed.
Communism only works in two situations, and even then it is not guaranteed. They are in very small communities (usually less than 100) and in a society where the citizens are completely ignorant and uneducated, little more than manual labor for the educated elite. The small communities aspect only works because everyone in the group personally knows everyone else, which discourages thievery and laziness, as people who hurt the community can be easily ostracized. Also, people can trust each other, as no one will be a stranger. Either way, this is more commonly known as tribalism as opposed to communism simply because the small numbers are reminiscent of the Native American and Mongol tribes. The other method, having an ignorant and uneducated society, is doomed because it stifles creativity and innovation, nearly halting advancement in the country - not to mention it is cruel and a violation of human rights. Either way, it is inevitable the society will figure out on its own the corrupt nature of its government, leading to revolt and rebellion.
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actually I just read an interesting thing...on tvtropes djmp...about the reason the star trek economy works, and it's not some idealism but a lack of scarcity, which is really economic principle #1. People want unlimited things but have only limited resources to achieve them. So Star Trek, I guess, is a society where scarcity is no longer applicable--canon seems to attribute that to Zefram Cochrane, who invented warp drive, which really doesn't make sense (I mean, you may have unlimited money but no one has unlimited time, and that's probably the even more vital resource), but the fact of the matter is anyone in Star Trek can get whatever they want whenever they want it. If every school was "Harvard," both in terms of name and quality, then yeah, everyone could get a Harvard education.
So the question we need to be asking ourselves is--in the Animorphs universe, are there enough resources compared to the amount of sapient, competing life forms, to eliminate scarcity? My answer is no. And to be honest, I think Star Trek got it wrong. There is always scarcity. I think Hitchhiker's Guide got it right, where the wealth of the universe got so great that people were just designing their own planets, but it still cost a lot of money.
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Ever seen the TV series Firefly? That's sorta what I envision the universe being like if humanity expands into the galaxy... Throw in the other species into the mix, and you have an Animorphs universe, post-54...
The world is moving toward one-world government, and has been for a while... Whether or not it's a good idea is up for debate... I think that the revelations following the war would make it infinitely easier for this government to be established... (the foreign policy decisions regarding aliens, the difficulties introduced by more powerful weapons on the black market, unrest with anti-alien fanatics, and terrorist groups looking to grind an axe...)
Once that one-world government is established (I think it would resemble the U.N... adding common monetary systems, etc...), I think that it would work closely in peace with the Andalites indefinitely...
The government, probably very socialistic to begin with, would quickly turn more and more so, aggravating more and more terrorist and seperatist groups, which would find their refuge in the rest of the galaxy, colonizing other planets and roaming free as much as possible...
These groups would be constantly viewed as a danger by the rest of the galaxy, including the earth government... which would do it's best in cooperation with the Andalites to bring these rogue groups (however peacful the group) into compliance with the collective galactic agenda...
This would cause constant small scale civil war, in which the Andalite-assisted Human government would have a significant edge... And there would be "good guys" and "bad guys" on both sides... some evil people... some evil Andalites, Yeerks, HBs, etc... And you would have your terrorist groups... your freedom fighters... your peaceful communities just trying to be left alone caught in the crossfire between a demanding, opressive (or an enlightened, caring) powerful government and uncooperative, terroristic (or heroic, freedom-loving) independence groups...
But, overall, I think this is a comperable situation to the one that Earth is in now... And life for the average citizen of the alliance will be significantly improved by the technological advances...
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so whos writing the fanfic where 5 andalite teenagers and 1 hork bajir team up to stop the human invasion of the andalite homeworld?
lol Good idea ;)
i've actually had an idea like this a long time ago. basically the andalites created a self fulling prophecy by startling to try to limit human technology (humans starting to smuggle dracon beams and working on them) via harsh import laws. needless to say, it doesn't work out that well. humans improve them, we start getting militant (we are only together when we have someone to fight against) and when we create our own equalization to morphing technology, the andalites start preparing for war and humans do likewise.
i have the fiction up on the RAF but i haven't messed with it since i was in junior high...
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Why do people feel that capitalism is something to be outgrown? it is a terrible system-except that it is better than all the others.
the problem with communism is that it doesn't give you a harvard education to which you don't need to compete for, it gives you TAFE on a bad day (which is why the communist world basically stole off America's technological achievements-not only was there no need for competition (because getting into something depended on your contacts with the party) but the university you got into was not as good as an american university (for all the european snobery about Americans, americans are quite smart: i remember watching communist and then american capitalist advertisements: the communist one was pure propaganda appealing to the emotions and man's baser instincts, whilst the american advertisement was informative and made the essential point that joining an -ism will not fix all the world's problems)
even in the example of the primitive society communism did not work-because all people still lived in meagre poverty, in capitalism people get what they work for-only the lazy and stupid are poor. (frankly this is why my boyfriend won't give to beggars-he says in australia if you become poor it is all your drinking and drug use that you have inflicted on yourself)
the least worst outcome (short of Earth keeping her nation states independence and each earth country having her own colonies) would be for earth to adopt a modified American system: my father argues that America' s president is really only a glorified foreign minister, since the actual running of America is done by the states, so perhaps Earth could elect someone (these elections would need to be rigged to prevent communist china from winning the election every single time due to high population) to deal with all that alien business (a glorified minister of aliens) and every nation could maintain its national sovereignty.
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because none of the things youve mentioned are inherently part of communism. you mentioned china, which is tecnically communist, has great education, and is the 3rd largest economy in the world, and still rising. communism doesnt work because people are lazy and greedy. thats why capitalism is something to outgrow, because in order to do so, we have to outgrow laziness and greed and a host of other negative qualities (which will likely never happen)
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because none of the things youve mentioned are inherently part of communism. you mentioned china, which is tecnically communist, has great education, and is the 3rd largest economy in the world, and still rising. communism doesnt work because people are lazy and greedy. thats why capitalism is something to outgrow, because in order to do so, we have to outgrow laziness and greed and a host of other negative qualities (which will likely never happen)
I hate to break it to you, but China's recent massive growth (passed fifteen to twenty years are so) began when it allowed limited capitalism and importation of western jobs. Back when it was 100% communist... Just read about the Great Leap Forward. It pretty much tells you how bad it got.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
Or read about the economy before the 80's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China#1949.E2.80.931980
Pure communism will never work, because it stifles individualism and a few hundred - or thousand - people can't hope to understand the needs of millions, leading to collapse.
I still agree though. If there's a one world government, you can bet it will be socialist, although probably not hardcore communism. Still, everything will be socialized and there will be significant redistribution of wealth. One world government cannot exist on Earth. It will never succeed; there's too many people with too many different values. Either people will rebel, or they will be stifled/put down by force. It can't be democratic, because nations with large populations will be able to consistently one side elections (For example, China can outvote America three times over). It will likely be based of a multiple layer representative system, but by the time one gets to the top, they will be so separated from the public that they will have no connections to the needs of the people whatsoever.
I feel it will take a few thousand years, hundreds of generations of racial mixing and either no religion or a one world religion before we can even peaceably attempt one world government. Unless we get another Hitler/Stalin, except the new guy is successful. That could give one world government in a few years, but it would be extremely oppressive and nukes would be fired.
Either way though, once humans get into space, they will make many colonies and take many resources - by force if needed. Humans are naturally greedy and want power, so its inevitable. Even if the public isn't aware of it, governments will be sending armed forces into space when they can and know of intelligent life.
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Why do people feel that capitalism is something to be outgrown? it is a terrible system-except that it is better than all the others.
people say that because it really a terrible system. a small group of people live off the backs of the majority of the others and the system is both unstable (bubbles and depressions) and especially harsh to the members of the bottom layers of the rugs.
the problem with all the other systems is that they are basically one party systems and do not allow other points of view to be expressed.
however the point remains, if there is a better system that does not favor the elite, would we change from it?
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awesome ideas so far! and interesting discussion on governments. hope you guys don't mind if i go back to the topic and share a little bit of my own opinion.
I think the first 50-100 years will be what Terenia (teach/jess) said it will be like with only a few people enjoying the advances in technology. Where I believe will be the difference is the 100 years after that.
Once we start conquering space and landing colonies I see the civil wars erupting, the disputes, simply because history has shown that before. I believe Andalite and Human relations will start out a bit like the relationship between the U.S. and China right now, with the Andalites being the U.S. and being weary of a growing economic and military power in the humans (china) wanting not to stir things up but also jealously watching a rising power. The human factions will probably try and recruit andalite help in their battles, though I can see the Andalites taking a pacifist or closed approach to everything that's going on.
The immediate short-term difference I think will be what the Andalites do next. If they interfere I can see it getting nasty. I can also see humans playing politics as they become stronger in the galaxy and allying with different alien races. I can also see, that if the Andalites push too hard, an eventual united human front against a common enemy (a la humanity against buggers in ender's game) spurred and helped by rapid improvements in communications technology. Human factions not wanting to fight will probably be either ignored, or eliminated.
Now the final act, and I believe this is where it gets really really interesting.... is what will eventually, and maybe inevitably, happen. The Human expansion, with or without Andalite intervention, will most likely encroach and approach Kelbrid space. Humanity would then face a united, two-prong, front against an Andalite/Kelbrid alliance (plus whoever else they are dragging along)
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adaptive comes to mind. Considering the number of times Ax marveled at how fast humans seemmed to change for the situation at hand.
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Edriss in Visser describes some opinions on humans from a Yeerk perspective:
"He was unhappy about the war, unhappy about being seperated from his mate and progeny. And, at the same time, he was proud of doing his duty...The interest in progeny was persistent. It intruded on any number of thoughts. It formed part of the basis for the creature's sense of his place in the world.'
I would think interest in one's children would be a near universal trait among all species to survive, not really distinct enough to just be used to describe humans.
The experience of Edriss taking her first human controller is also described:
"This second half of the brain was an almost mirror image ... Not a fully redundant system, almost a second different brain!'
'Confusion! Disorder! Illogic! This mind could argue with itself'
No wonder they kill each other, I thought. They very nearly kill themselves!
In this respect, the diversity of humans and their lack of commonality among various human populations appears to be a defining characteristic in the ani-verse.
This holds if you look at the other species which do not appear to have comparable physiological variations that different human races do eg black Vs white people.
Although, Yeerks do explicitly distinguish themselves from other Yeerks when they meet by stating which pool they came from. However, such distinctions have not seemed too relevant in terms of their overall cooperation with each other, or general behaviour. Nor is it implied that certain pools have higher, lower or otherwise distinct status from other pools.
I suspect though that for any species, national, racial and individual self-identity broadens upon learning of other alien sentient beings. If we really did live amongst Yeerks and Andalites, I think the conflict in the middle east would probably be a largely non-affair, and the nuclear super powers would forget about pointing missiles at each other. We would be less likely to see racial/religious differences as a point of contrast, rather, humanity as a point of uniformity - distinct from non-human beings.
This would explain why various species in the Ani-verse such as Yeerks, Andalites, Skrit Na, etc are centrally governed and their culture and group characteristics are a lot more uniform.
I doubt though that we could effectively manage a wide-scale communal economy like the Yeerks and Andalites.
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My view on humans in the Animorphs galaxy seems a lot more optimistic than everyone else's. Ax is always talking about how adaptable humans are, and I like to think that this will translate into our ability to deal with other species. Okay, yes, we don't have a great track record on our own planet, but at least we're friendlier than the Andalites. Less intelligent or physically threatening, too. I sort of see humans as the galaxy's perky cheerleaders. The social butterflies, if you will. We'll flit-flit-flit from world to world, establishing Cinnabons and chatting ears off wherever we go. A human or two on every spacecraft--even ones that don't belong to us. And there are so many of us!
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yeah....i can see us establishing starbucks and wal-marts all over the place. we'd be the richest.
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Oh yeah, I can totally imagine an universal tim Hortons. But these would be the sayings around the universe after we went universal.
Humans: The ass-holes of the galaxy.
Humans: The cops of the galaxy
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I suspect though that for any species, national, racial and individual self-identity broadens upon learning of other alien sentient beings. If we really did live amongst Yeerks and Andalites, I think the conflict in the middle east would probably be a largely non-affair, and the nuclear super powers would forget about pointing missiles at each other. We would be less likely to see racial/religious differences as a point of contrast, rather, humanity as a point of uniformity - distinct from non-human beings.
I disagree with this - it would add new concepts to our agenda, but it wouldn't eliminate the hate that has been a part of humanity for generations. Just because Obama won the election last year doesn't mean that racism in America ceased to exist.
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but obama is not an alien. He isn't even a foreigner.
i guess we won't know until it happens
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I suspect though that for any species, national, racial and individual self-identity broadens upon learning of other alien sentient beings. If we really did live amongst Yeerks and Andalites, I think the conflict in the middle east would probably be a largely non-affair, and the nuclear super powers would forget about pointing missiles at each other. We would be less likely to see racial/religious differences as a point of contrast, rather, humanity as a point of uniformity - distinct from non-human beings.
I disagree with this - it would add new concepts to our agenda, but it wouldn't eliminate the hate that has been a part of humanity for generations. Just because Obama won the election last year doesn't mean that racism in America ceased to exist.
Meh, it's not really a prove able hypothetical until we get some action. I'm not sure about the relevance of the Obama analogy, though.
Human history however has shown various disparate warring groups unifying to fend off bigger foreign enemies. City States in Ancient Greece did not really get along until they had to defend themselves against the Persian Empire. Similarly, before 1901 Australia used to just be a collection of different colonies. Then they decided to federate and centralise their military, partly in response to any potential threat from a nearby Asian power.
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I suspect though that for any species, national, racial and individual self-identity broadens upon learning of other alien sentient beings. If we really did live amongst Yeerks and Andalites, I think the conflict in the middle east would probably be a largely non-affair, and the nuclear super powers would forget about pointing missiles at each other. We would be less likely to see racial/religious differences as a point of contrast, rather, humanity as a point of uniformity - distinct from non-human beings.
I disagree with this - it would add new concepts to our agenda, but it wouldn't eliminate the hate that has been a part of humanity for generations. Just because Obama won the election last year doesn't mean that racism in America ceased to exist.
Yeah bill maher said it well. racism is not over because we elected a competent black man as president. racism will be over when we elect an incompetent black man as president. ie, if obama wins again.
but as axeme is right, different groups band together to hate those that are more different.
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this thread is full of win
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I think the Andalites would, after 20 years or so, we wondering.
<What the hell did we give the humans that tech for?>
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Aww... everyone's so pessimistic about humanity :( Does nobody believe human beings are capable of living in a world that's not governed mostly by intolerance and hate? Just the fact that we're capable of conceptualizing morality should be a good indicator of humankind's potential. It may take years at a time to notice, but our attitudes are shifting towards peace and tolerance with each new generation. Add to that the fact that the only people who usually want to go to war are those who get to send others into battle (this alone is enough of an argument, in my mind, for democracy) and the fact that, as I see it, interstellar human civilization would be broken up into dozens or hundreds of factions, and for the most part, I think I agree with Kleenex. I don't think we're not naturally violent- more naturally opportunistic and curious. There would undoubtedly be some violence in humanity's future, but I refuse to accept that the only way humanity could survive is by being hateful warmongers.
I can totally see corporate mentality overcoming old-school imperialism. That means there's actually an advantage to maintaining good relations with the other races- more profit from loyal customers. If you make that Andalite at the bar feel welcome in spite of your Yeerk and Kelbrid customers, there's a better chance she'll come back. War is a greater investment for a potentially smaller return than standard capitalism, and gossip and discussion help keep the regulars coming in (look at RAF).
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yeah, but corporate mentality also means a good chance for corruption. not to mention that war is a good way to unite people.
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The corporate mentality is a breeding ground for corruption, but there's a lot of good that can come from that as well (I guess that's true of traditional imperialist and militarist philosophies too, but still...) Why is uniting people necessary? Humanity wouldn't stay united if we were spread across dozens of lightyears- becoming united by a war would just make the inevitable degradation of this allied human super-society all that much more turbulent.
Not that I don't like the idea of a united humanity- it just doesn't seem remarkably plausible to me, wars or otherwise.
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it makes sense if you want power.
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And it sounds so simple if you only consider the one(s) in power. It doesn't seem plausible to me because people in distant star systems aren't going to love being ruled by an Earth government- they want their own slice of power. Today's civilization would be more powerful if more countries united- but we don't see that, because nobody wants to let go of the power and independence they have.
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yeah. people often try to pit "us" vs "them" in order to unite people. I just think the ultimate version of that would be "humans" vs "aliens".
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Yeah, I hear you on that one. That's probably the only way humanity would ever become unified at all, to be honest, would be if we wound up in some conflict with a major alien power.
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but i can see something that would just have us so far flung and vast that we'd be almost alien to each other. i mean, sci-fi races are rarely depicted as having as much racial diversity as us. of course, that's sci-fi. XD
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Dead thread, I know. But I want to post.
Humans of the future:
- Get Z-space, start exploring space and whatnot
- Colonies established on other planets.
- Warships created for planetary and colonial defense, Andalites get a little edgy.
- Humans begin, if not before, working on energy weapons with leftover Yeerk Dracon beams from the war. Andalites oppose this.
- Humans ignore this and keep working, developing shields from leftover Yeerk technology and former Yeerk engineers/scientists.
- Andalites NOT happy, start sending mild warnings
- Humans and andalites begin engaging in intense US/USSR-style negotiations concerning human military power in space. Meanwhile both sides begin arming up
- Andalites now quite scared give Humans an Ultimatum: Back down or we'll get ugly
- Humans pretend to back-down, meanwhile constructing more warships.
- Andalites soon notice this and give humans last chance
- Humans launch attack with MASSIVE fleet over ships and, not having to waste time and resources on in-ship parks and grass, make ships must faster than Andalites, especially since due to a massive population, we can build stuff much quicker.
- Big battles in space, Andalites enjoy initial supremacy due to space-combat experience.
However any offenses of their part are hampered by human numbers.
- We adapt fast remember? We start incorporating Andalite technology plus tactics. Thousands of years of warfare pay off, we start kicking ass.
- End result: We annihilate the Andalite Navy and become the new galactic powerhouse.
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I don't think it will be quite that black and white. Remember, the Andalites are/may not be the most powerful race in the galaxy.
We still have the yet totally unknown Kelbrid. The Andalites fear or at the very least respect them enough to have very clear and established borders. And lets not forget that The One was found in Kebrid space. So we really have no idea what is lurking beyond those borders and knowing our species and it's capacity to not think about the impact our screwing with another form of life might have on our over all health, I wouldn't be surprised if someone showed up with a big whoop ass pie to share with the neighbors.
That said, the one prop I will give James Cameron's Avatar is that it basically sums up how I feel most of our encounters with alien life will end. And that alone is what I predict will happen in the Animorphs universe as mankind progresses into the stars.
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maybe in the animorphs world, in 100 yrs humans will invent time machines
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I doubt it, only the Ellimist ever made those.
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or at least try to