Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Chad32 on October 04, 2008, 08:33:30 PM
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What do you think of Visser Two? I would think he'd be a bit angry that Visser Three got the promotion to Visser One instead of him. However, he's all too happy to go through with the new Visser One's plan. This leads me to believe he's blindly loyal to the Council.
It seems he isn't willing to see the WW3 plan through if it means the destruction of the main ground base, though. So maybe he isn't as ruthless as Visser Three.
I believe Ax thinks he's crazy. Do you think he's crazy, or just a blindly loyal soldier doing his duty?
As for me, I'd call him a sheep.
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When I read it, I thought visser two was loyal to visser three (or visser one by then) and gladly followed his plan. Although he wasn't blind, and knew that the plan would fail (in a way I still do not totally understand) if the yeerk pool was destroyed. In short, a smart soldier that's very loyal to visser three and the yeerk empire.
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Do you think he's crazy, or just a blindly loyal soldier doing his duty?
Yes, he's blindly patriotic. And that makes him a fool.
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Visser Two, he crazy!
I actually think he's one of the more interesting villains (more interesting than Three at least). He doesn't strike me as loyal so much as just totally fixated on his own goal.
Ahh I need sleep my grammar is failing right now.
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My god my memory sucks.
There was a Visser Two? Since when? :P
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in book 46...he was a very key player in that book.
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Book 46, Book 46...
Well I have it, so I'm gonna re-read it sometime soon. Perhaps tomorrow as I'm getting tired now, lol.
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My god my memory sucks.
There was a Visser Two? Since when? :P
Lol, my thoughts exactly. Then again, I kinda blocked out most of the books from the later part of the series, so...I might have to look book 46 up on here later.
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I'd say he believes in the empire more than his own benifits, a nationalist.
I don't think he was necessarily crazy, he wanted an open war, same as V3, and was finally gonna get it.
Foolish yes, but not a fool
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My god my memory sucks.
There was a Visser Two? Since when? :P
I keep getting him confused with Visser Four, myself. Yay for bad memory. :D
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Pity not much was known about Visser 2. He acquired a human host and was meant to be an orchestrating war expert. His loyalty would have been to Visser 3, but maybe also to Visser one. And he definitely wasn’t a Yeerk Peace Campaigner. But upon being confronted with the eradication of his ‘brothers and sisters’ he dropped the whole tyrant thing. What does this say about him?!
That he’s not as crazy and bloodthirsty as Visser Three or, even possibly as ruthless as Visser One? But he was certainly a bit of both throughout his cameo on the series.
Whatever would have happened to him?
Would Ax have simply let such a dangerous foe go? At that stage of the war?!
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As has been repeated he is an extremly patriotic Yeerk and I'd guess that he thought the empire was the only way the Yeerks could survive. If the chance to morph Yeerks was present he might have taken it. I say this because unlike the other ruthless commanders who would allow this destruction if it help their repute he spared his fellow Yeerks and put them over the plan.
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...he is an extremly patriotic Yeerk ... thought the empire was the only way the Yeerks could survive. If the chance to morph Yeerks was present he might have taken it. ... if it help their repute he spared his fellow Yeerks and put them over the plan.
Dude, can't understand what you mean here. A patriotic Yeerk, who would stand by the Council of Thirteen, then suddenly opting for 'permanently morphing' some other random species sounds a bit contradictory.
Unless all Yeerks are hypocrites.
A tyrant, as such are the ones that fall under the Visser ranks, would certainly oppose being what they are, which is YEERKS.
The keyword is 'tyrant'. Tyrants need followers. If the Yeerks under a 'Visser's subjugation suddenly became 'something else' who would 'said-Visser' have left to give orders to???
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ugh...i suddenly just realized that I really did miss the latter half of the series...
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...he is an extremly patriotic Yeerk ... thought the empire was the only way the Yeerks could survive. If the chance to morph Yeerks was present he might have taken it. ... if it help their repute he spared his fellow Yeerks and put them over the plan.
Dude, can't understand what you mean here. A patriotic Yeerk, who would stand by the Council of Thirteen, then suddenly opting for 'permanently morphing' some other random species sounds a bit contradictory.
Unless all Yeerks are hypocrites.
A tyrant, as such are the ones that fall under the Visser ranks, would certainly oppose being what they are, which is YEERKS.
The keyword is 'tyrant'. Tyrants need followers. If the Yeerks under a 'Visser's subjugation suddenly became 'something else' who would 'said-Visser' have left to give orders to???
He cared more about the yeerks as a species than the empire. The empire was less of a priority but he was willing to sacrifice himself for it because he believed that it would help the Yeerks as a species
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i always found that super wierd and one of the things that shoulda been explained. visser 3 was in as much hot water almost as visser 1 back int he Visser book, so y she got booted and he jumped up to visser 1 and visser 2 didnt makes no sense. but i dk, visser 2 seemed in his own world. he was followin orders but in his own style. that makes sense right?
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here's my theory.
It's kinda like basketball or the business world or bcs rankings or whatever
Visser Two has probably been in that position for a very long time. He's consistent. He's loyal. But he just doesn't have the extra oomph or trait that the Council is looking for to boost to visesr one. Visser One is that rank because of her discovery and beginning conquest of Earth. What has Visser three done?
So I think Visser Two is there just because he's consistent and loyal. Also, he probably hasn't done anything wrong yet, so he's just there.
for those who are into football, Visser Two is Alabama. Good, consistent, undefeated (because both visser two and bama hadn't faced real though challenges or setbacks yet). But another powerhouse team moved forward.
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Hmmm... It could well be that way.
I would really liked to have known what became of him. It seems stupid of Ax to land the ship they were on and just wave to The Visser 2 of the Yeerk Empire as he walks away?!
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more proof the ending was rushed
Hmmm... It could well be that way.
I would really liked to have known what became of him. It seems stupid of Ax to land the ship they were on and just wave to The Visser 2 of the Yeerk Empire as he walks away?!
more proof the ending was rushed
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what would have happened if the ending wasn't rushed?
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we would have less things to discuss
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we would have less things to discuss
That's a good point.
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if it wasnt rushed i wouldnt have filled so dissapointed and let down at the end after 5 yrs of dedication
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if it wasn't rushed?
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If Ax kileld Visser two after landing the jet, it would be cold blooded murder. Not Ax's style. Besides, Visser Two's subordinates might have hunted them down if Ax killed the guy. Heck, if he's not going to kill Visser Three, what makes you think he'd hastily kill Visser Two? During the David Trilogy, I believe, Ax has Visser Three at his tail blade mid morph. He's got a good level of restraint.
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If Ax kileld Visser two after landing the jet, it would be cold blooded murder. Not Ax's style. Besides, Visser Two's subordinates might have hunted them down if Ax killed the guy. Heck, if he's not going to kill Visser Three, what makes you think he'd hastily kill Visser Two? During the David Trilogy, I believe, Ax has Visser Three at his tail blade mid morph. He's got a good level of restraint.
I was thinking a little more like 'accidently pressing' a button, such as The Eject Button on the plane, to be honest. Make no mistake, writers opt for these things. Like it was done with Cassie, who 'accidently' fried that Hork-Bajir-Controller during The Unexpected.
Indeed, Ax truly has good restraint and he is no cold-blooded murderer, and I believe, he's also not a genocidal maniac, like he was almost forced to be during this stage with Visser Two.
The story goes to show that at this stage of the series, times had changed... And you have to ask yourself what you would have done...
I would not let this powerful enemy walk away unharmed so he could come back and bite me in the ass later...
And we weren't shown any subordinates to believe he had a massive crew of followers on Earth. As far as I know, Visser Two was portrayed doing a solo cameo.
And yeah, guys, we would have a lot less to discuss if the ending was more resolved. It's kinda cool imagining and coming up with all these things.
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I doubt fanfic writers really need loose ends to motivate them to write stuff. Yes it gives us more stuff to discuss, but that's poor consolation. Much like it would be if/when I actually do rewrite the ending to suit my opinion better.
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visster two? why did he chose human to control?
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He needed to be Human on a ship to give orders to other Humans.
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It is unknown if the villain was a human-Controller for the whole run or just for the WW3-instigation mission...
I like to think that he somehow didn't survive... Whether it was him returning to the Empire and the Empire severely punished him or he chose Kandrona starvation over the consequences of a Visser's failure. Why else would we not hear about this subject at a later stage?!
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It was pretty late in the series as it was. It's not surprising that he's not mentioned again, since there weren't very many books after that one.