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Offline Alan Fangor

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Alien society
« on: March 19, 2012, 04:44:01 PM »
I always wondered what are the attitude of the aliens towards money, poorness, economy and things like these.
This is a basic pillar of human society, but it seems to be non-existent in other races. The main topics, the main issues concerning the aliens essentially refer to the relationship with other races.

The Yeerks act for the power, to enslave other races, they are no interested in money, and they have no currency, like other species. It seems to be the same for Andalite society, and Ax in #14 says something like "I forget humans use money" (they are talking about betting on horses) implying that it is an unknown concept fot the Andalites.
But this assertion seems to be contradicted in #38, when Aloth says he was selling organs on the battlefield, and in book #54 when Marco mentions "wealthy Andalites" that come to Earth as tourists.

Well, do the Andalite have the concept of money or not? Are there rich and poor andalites? Do they have some kind of work ethic? And could money have an influence on their ability to build spacecrafts? Or they have a sort of barter system?

What do you think?

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Re: Alien society
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 11:22:03 AM »
I always wondered what are the attitude of the aliens towards money, poorness, economy and things like these.

Well, an economy doesn't have to be based around money. Money is something with a set value, so to our species it made sense to use that in lieu of barter because people were getting into cohorts over what their goods and services were worth over what they wanted in exchange. A barter system is still a form of economy, so long as an agreement of what my property is worth for what I want from you. In the case of the galactic "society" that seems to exist in the Animorphs universe there is a basic economy of trade.


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The Yeerks act for the power, to enslave other races, they are no interested in money, and they have no currency, like other species.

The Yeerks learned the concept of trade after their first conquest of the Hork-Bajir homeworld. When they escaped the Yeerk homeworld, their first instinct was to take what they needed and flush any beings they couldn't infest out into space.

But once they conquered the Hork Bajir homeworld and the war with the Andalites was a reality, the Yeerks began making alliances with races they couldn't infest and who were not happy with the Andalites either.

For example, they promised Taxxons food in exchange for host bodies, which is really the most basic form of trade even for our species. In the earliest versions of our own societies people gave service for food. They served in the army, they raised farms, or if they were too sickly or injured to do one of the above they performed crafts or other services.

The Yeerks gave captured Andalite technology in exchange for a Skrit Na Moon to use as a listening outpost. So giving up one advantage for the possiblity of gaining more information was a necessary exchange to aid in the war effort.

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It seems to be the same for Andalite society, and Ax in #14 says something like "I forget humans use money" (they are talking about betting on horses) implying that it is an unknown concept fot the Andalites.

I wouldn't say it's unknown. Elfangor understood the concept of money when Chapman tried to get him to use the Time Matrix but his response was, "What would I do with human money?" Implying that money is common in many races, but that Elfangor rightly points out that our currency would be as useful as straws to the Andalites. (Before the morph exchange post 52 of course)

You also have to remember that Ax is no older than the other Animorphs. So when you have a fourteen year old's understanding of the unvierse, you can't base a heck of a lot on what he says about how things work.

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Well, do the Andalite have the concept of money or not? Are there rich and poor andalites? Do they have some kind of work ethic? And could money have an influence on their ability to build spacecrafts? Or they have a sort of barter system?

The Andalite economy seems to be based on the aforementioned system of exchange, wherein each family performs a service or a function that's necessary to the entire species and recieves what they need. Elfangor and Ax's family, for example, built the heating systems for ships if I recall correctly. So as a functioning member of the species they recieve proper medical care, schooling, and whatever other services are offered on the Andalite world.

So any of those Andalite families could have had things to offer in exchange for a fair amount of human currency that would allow them to function as tourists on Earth. They probably offer similar bargain to humans in exchange for their DNA to allow them to morph.

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But this assertion seems to be contradicted in #38, when Aloth says he was selling organs on the battlefield, and in book #54 when Marco mentions "wealthy Andalites" that come to Earth as tourists.

Again, what's valuable to an Andalite may not register on our radars. Aloth has his own ship as well, which he could have obtained through illegal means. And he also bargained Andalite officials, probably exchanging a straight death sentance with the possibility of immunity if the suicide mission to kill Visser Three actually succeeded.

Aloth could have traded those organs in exchange for weapons, land, alien technology, and anything he would need to not have to be an unwilling member of Andalite society. Maybe he was just crazy and he exchanged the organs for hoof clippings and the Electorate didn't want that bit getting out.  We'll never know of course but the point is money isn't the only thing of value in the universe.


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Re: Alien society
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 01:16:01 AM »
 ;D I think they're communists

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Re: Alien society
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 04:26:02 PM »
That's essentially what I was hinting at.

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Re: Alien society
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 09:38:33 PM »
Barter seems most likely.

Right now, Barter is starting to become more common. My haircutter does the hair of someone who in exahnge, gives her a free gym membership. My mother used to do a similar thing with when she sold skin care products.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 12:06:53 PM »
My haircutter does the hair of someone who in exchange, gives her a free gym membership. My mother used to do a similar thing with when she sold skin care products.

There's probably some gray area there. If your barber or hair dresser rents a chair someone's privately owned salon then she probably isn't losing much by making that deal. Ditto for the customer who offers her the membership. As for your mother, if she worked for Avon (or something similar), the only loss would be to her comission.

A geek squad employee working at Best Buy wouldn't be able to make that deal with someone without authorization of their corporate office. And likely the corporation wouldn't allow it.

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Re: Alien society
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 04:08:11 PM »
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I wouldn't say it's unknown. Elfangor understood the concept of money when Chapman tried to get him to use the Time Matrix but his response was, "What would I do with human money?" Implying that money is common in many races, but that Elfangor rightly points out that our currency would be as useful as straws to the Andalites. (Before the morph exchange post 52 of course)

I haven't yet read The Andalite Chronicle so probably I miss some information. However, I agree with you in the general idea of Andalite money.

About other aliens, I was thinking...how does a Taxxon society work? I mean, their only described feature is hunger. But...what they do all day? Just eat? They seem to be a quite intelligent species, so do they have some other activity?
In some cases they show a sort of loyalty with each other, and they are able to betray their masters (or slaveholders) and forge an alliance with the animorphs. They should also have some concept of family, love and friendship.
I wonder how they could live together, if an individual is ready to deliver to the enemy his best friend or his brother/father/son for a piece of meat. Maybe the insatiable hunger is too exaspereted, even for a science-fiction book?
I try to imagine a Taxxon on his planet or in another place with his fellow...should live in terror of getting the slightest wound? And they seem to have a weak body, so maybe a Taxxon walking hits a stone, or an edge, or a low branch, and start bleeding...and in a few seconds, instead of rescue him, his own friends and relatives kill and devour him.
Does this make sense? Could a sentient species, capable of feeling emotions, live and prosper if they basically feed themselves? Sooner or later they would arrive at self-annihilation and extinction.

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 06:04:18 PM »
I imagine the taxxon Hive Mind would keep thme in a colony similar to ants. Working together for the greater good, and as soon as one is unable to fulfill his tasks, he becomes food.
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Re: Alien society
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 01:58:37 PM »
Andalites seem to adhere to a very utilitarian society in many different ways.  While on it's face they may seem like a very morally put-together society (the strict idea of 'for the greater good'), throughout the series we slowly get introduced to the flaws and the downfalls of living in such a society.  People who become useless are cut out and never included in society (vecols), people who wish to break the mold are often suppressed in various ways (females, who are 'more useful' doing something other than fighting,) and the implications of applying that philosophy to races outsider of their own take several dire turns throughout the Animorphs canon.

It seemed as though they sought to adapt their utilitarian views to include outsiders with the Yeerks, but when that bit them in the butt they immediately resorted back to "whatever is best for us is best, period," which is the views that got the Hork-Bajir and the humans put on the radar for extermination.