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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2008, 05:30:13 PM »
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Because otherwise it would have been quite a coincidence that of the 5 "random kids" who happened to walk by, one was the son of Visser One, one was Elfangor's son and another was some kind of space/time anomaly. Not to mention that the Andalite they rescued later happened to be Elfangor's brother

It'd be more believable of you got rid of the Elfangor-Tobias plot thing and Cassie-sup-temporarily grounded crap.

Okay. Maybe not get rid of Tobias being Elfangor's son but Applegate should have cleaned up the timeline and the circumstances much better
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2008, 05:35:21 PM »
uh no. they just flew in from some continent that hasn't been discovered.

Maybe they came from a future time line where Pigs have taken over the Earth?!  :o

That was me subtly trying to stay on topic!  :happy34:
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2008, 10:45:15 PM »
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2008, 01:06:13 AM »
I'd appreciate it if you guys didn't start an off topic argument.

I'm assuming that what he meant by a sense of origin was that we got to seem more about the history of the character and how they came to be who they are.

Lol. I would never try and start one. Fighting on the internet is like the Special Olympics. No matter who wins, you're still retarded. (And with that statement I honestly hope I didn't upset anyone, its not my intention. I don't want another 'Tropic Thunder' incident on my hands.)

Thanks Phoenix. I thought it was self-explanatory. Guess not.
Why did it have to be about fate and superbeings and destiny and all this other convoluted matter?

*sighs* And it's because of opinions like this that people tell me I'll never get published because my stories are "too complex".

Fact is, some people like the more complex aspects of the story. We like Cassie being an anomaly, and Tobias being Elfangor's son, and the Ellimist and Crayak playing a sinister game. As is the nature of things, other people disagree, and that's perfectly valid. To each his own, and all that jazz. But just because some people don't like it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the book. If you start taking out everything that some readers might not like, you wouldn't have anything left.

Writers need to write what they want, and what they think is interesting. If they start wondering "Well, some people might not like the supernatural aspect", and start flitering their ideas to fit the current market, they stiffle their creativity.

K. A. Applegate wrote what she found interesting. Some readers liked it, some didn't. That's just the way things work.

I completely agree. THANK YOU!!!! Said it better than I could. But what that writer did in the Final episode of the Sopranos was just wrong and a dis to the fans that watched it for 6 years, keeping the show on air. Seriously, a black cut screen with no REAL conclusion? That was pretty cold.
Because otherwise it would have been quite a coincidence that of the 5 "random kids" who happened to walk by, one was the son of Visser One, one was Elfangor's son and another was some kind of space/time anomaly. Not to mention that the Andalite they rescued later happened to be Elfangor's brother.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if KA added in the involvement of the Ellimist in the "coincidental meeting" because some idiotic fans thought it was too coincidental!  ::)

Thats what I thought. As the series got older it did seem to be way too coincidental. The Ellimist was a cool and obvious device that could be used to tighten up those coincidences.


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Because otherwise it would have been quite a coincidence that of the 5 "random kids" who happened to walk by, one was the son of Visser One, one was Elfangor's son and another was some kind of space/time anomaly. Not to mention that the Andalite they rescued later happened to be Elfangor's brother

It'd be more believable of you got rid of the Elfangor-Tobias plot thing and Cassie-sup-temporarily grounded crap.

Okay. Maybe not get rid of Tobias being Elfangor's son but Applegate should have cleaned up the timeline and the circumstances much better

Lol. Thank God you weren't the author and creator of Animorphs. Or a ghostwriter.

But I do like that quote you have up there. The one about the darkness? Very poetic. Sounds like something I read in "A Wrinkle in Time," or maybe in "A Wind in the door." Where is it from?
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2008, 01:11:13 AM »
It's a good point about the Cassie's sub-temporal blah blah scientific idiotic jargon thing, actually.  It wasn't necessary.  Or the idea that the Ellimist set up everything to such an extent that it all just played out the way he wanted.  I hated the idea that he just set it all up so the kids met at the mall with Tobias (sans Rachel, being the accident), instead of that just being a random thing that worked out for the best.

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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2008, 01:18:43 AM »
It's a good point about the Cassie's sub-temporal blah blah scientific idiotic jargon thing, actually.  It wasn't necessary.  Or the idea that the Ellimist set up everything to such an extent that it all just played out the way he wanted.  I hated the idea that he just set it all up so the kids met at the mall with Tobias (sans Rachel, being the accident), instead of that just being a random thing that worked out for the best.

Interesting. Who's to say it wasn't necessary? It was KA's story. She wrote it, created it the way she wanted it to play out. The fact that Cassie was sub-temporal was actually essential to the story, since Cassie was such an essential character.  If it was your story maybe you'd think that artistic view to be stupid and wasteful. But to her it fit well in her story and helped move the plot along.

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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2008, 03:56:05 AM »
It wasn't necessary, in that Cassie being some genetic anomaly seemed like a cop-out, and didn't really drive the narrative in a way t

That being said, yes, it's K.A.'s story and I don't think she "should" have done it any particular other way.  Just personal taste.  I didn't like that aspect of the later books in the series, but overall I think the ending was great.  It just could have worked just as well without Cassie being some space-time unique being.

The "Rachel being an accident" thing worked, in a weird way.  I just didn't think Cassie and her Ellimist link were really needed.

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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2008, 04:32:36 PM »
I'm not saying that Applegate can't write what she wants. She's the writer. But I can post my personal opinions on what I thought were really annoying creative choices.

Also, all I asked was what 'a sense of origin' means, a completely different matter, and you never answered it.
This great evil - where's it come from?
How'd it steal into the world?
What seed, what root did it grow from?
Who's doing this?
Who's killing us, robbing us of life and light, mocking us with the sight of what we mighta known?
Does our ruin benefit the earth, aid the grass to grow and the sun to shine?  Is this darkness in you, too?  Have you passed through this night?

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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2008, 04:46:32 PM »
Also, all I asked was what 'a sense of origin' means, a completely different matter, and you never answered it.

I'm assuming that what he meant by a 'sense of origin' was that we got to see more about the history of the character and how they came to be who they are.

Getting back to the time travel topic, what other times/places in history do you think they should have visited in Megamorphs #3?
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #54 on: August 24, 2008, 05:04:41 PM »
There should have been an Egyptian one and a Greek Roman one.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #55 on: August 24, 2008, 05:43:39 PM »
Egypt would have been awesome. :D
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2008, 06:23:19 PM »
Pre-colonized America might have been nice.  But I don't see what the Visser (I forget if it was Visser 2 or Visser 4) could possibly find useful there.  Unless he wanted to start the invasion then . . .


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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2008, 06:34:13 PM »
Egypt would have been awesome. :D
Especially if they found Erik. He'd be going by a different name, but it would have been wild if that happened.


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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2008, 06:40:06 PM »
Going to ancient Egypt or ancient Rome or wherever would be great but the language barrier would be a serious problem.
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What seed, what root did it grow from?
Who's doing this?
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2008, 06:44:32 PM »
Hmm, fair point. I forgot that the Animorphs don't have a TARDIS to translate. lol. Though maybe Ax could translate for them, once he's heard enough of the language?
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