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Offline Darth Zakryn

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Marco
« on: February 07, 2011, 05:31:06 PM »
Ok, let's talk about Marco. Some love him, some think he's the greatest character around. Well, personally, I hate him, so let's get that out of the way. I admit to having bias against him, so please don't let that interfere with the conversation.

So, Marco. I think he's evil. Two reasons: He wanted to kill Karen, and he wanted to kill Visser One when he could have just as easily starved her by Kandrona starvation. If that was MY kid, I could never forgive him for killing me like that, or even to be WILLING to. I'd hate him forever. Some of you might say, "Oh, well, the fact that Marco would hate doing that and feel remorse makes him a good guy." Yeah, well, remorse sure as hell wouldn't revive his victims had he actually killed them. ACTIONS are what matters, not WORDS or THOUGHTS.

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Re: Marco
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2011, 05:55:31 PM »
I'm in the 'he's the greatest character evs' camp, so.

He felt killing Karen was necessary because there was a Yeerk, at the time deemed untrustworthy, who knew their secret. They couldn't just tie her up in the woods and starve her because there was a search party actively looking for Aftran who could very likely have found her as soon as they put her anywhere. Was it a heartless decision? Of course it was, but it was one that made a lot of tactical sense. It's not like he wanted to kill her because he enjoyed killing.

As for V1, at what point did he have a chance to starve V1 out? He even addresses this in #15: you can't just take Visser One's host body and starve V1 to death. It would have blown the Animorphs' cover, it would have driven everyone into hiding, and they would have been hunted to the ends of the Earth. I mean, this is like wondering why they didn't starve the Yeerk out of Tom's head. The only reason they could starve Temrash out of Jake was because no one knew Temrash was there.

I think you're missing a huge part of the psychology behind Marco's attempt on V1's life. It was a desperate, and yes selfish, gamble to try and reach a better solution than living in uncertainty. He knew he couldn't save his mother. There was no option that left her alive and free.

A section from #30: "Mom, what was I supposed to do? I saw all the plays. I saw all the pieces on the chessboard. There was no solution that freed you. There were only solutions that destroyed you. I had to. How else?"

So that came down to two things - kill her and V1, or let her live to stay a slave, and never know if she was alive or dead, or if wishing for her return would ever yield anything. At this point, he's certain his mom's an involuntary Controller. He knows from Jake's little stint as a Controller, plus basic sense, that being a Controller is hell. It's a reasonable conclusion for him to reach that his mother would rather be dead than a Controller, one that's confirmed by Eva's commentary in Visser.

But more than that, Marco's desperate because he's unable to move past his mother's enslavement. When she was dead, it was horrible and he mourned her and life went on. The position he's in from #5 to #45 is knowing that she's still out there, that she may or may not be dead, that he may or may not meet her again, that she may or may not be living a life of torture, that he may or may not have a reason to hope he'll ever see her free again. This is torture for him, because there's no closure at all. If she's dead, there's a conclusion and he can grieve and know she's never coming back. If she's alive, there's still that hope.

Section from #30:
Rachel: "No. Because [knowing she might be alive] won't make you feel better. It wouldn't be pity or charity. I wouldn't be doing you a favor. You've cried and yelled and hated yourself. It's bad, but if she's dead at least it would be over. If she's alive . . ."

Section from #15:
"If she was gone...really, really gone, then I could be a normal person again. I could be sad and then put it behind me. I could be free. If she was still alive, still trapped, then I was still trapped too. I still had to try and save her. I would still be a prisoner of hope."

So basically, by #30 Marco's reached the conclusion that saving her isn't an option, and it's a reasonable conclusion based on the information he has at the time (seriously, there was SO much lucky coincidence/Yeerk idiocy leading to her rescue in #45). There was no way to starve V1 without getting all the Anis screwed for good. His gambit in #30 was a desperate attempt to find closure and put an end to the whole thing, rather than letting it drag out knowing his mother would probably end up dead anyway after a hellish life of slavery. He's pretty much in meltdown mode because he can no longer handle the stress of her being V1 and is trying to go with what looks like the best option, horrible as it is.

Sorry for the tl;dr but I have SO MANY FEELINGZ about #30.

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Re: Marco
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2011, 06:34:04 PM »
Ok first, Karen. Logically she shouldn't have just been ignored by the Yeerks. Judging from book 8, the Yeerks don't just let escaped hosts live. It was a plot hole that they did with karen. She knew too much, and it would have been suspicious for them to cart her off to have Aftran starved out. Yes they probably could have taken her to the Chee and had her sit there for the rest of the series. It was a controversial choice.

Second, V1. This is V1 you're talking about. You do not just starve out the highest ranking Visser in the Empire and go about your business afterwards. There would be open war right then and there, partly because V3 would be totally in charge, and partly because the Yeerks would be hunting the Anis down like mice. Though just killing her would likely have a similar outcome too. However they'd still have to keep her safe for three days. Three days of hiding while every single Yeerks within three days travel combs every inch of the state looking for V1. Good luck.

Marco can be ruthless, and that actually makes him the most dangerous Ani in the group. maybe second if you feel Rachel is worse. It's an interesting contrast to the more enjoyable and funny side to him. He's my favorite character, though I'm ok with him not being everyone's favorite.


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Re: Marco
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 06:37:44 PM »
You were right when you said that Actions were what mattered, not words or thoughts. Did Marco DO any of those horrible yet logically sound things? Nope.
Meh.


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Re: Marco
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 06:58:44 PM »

He was going to. That counts for something. And I guess I get so upset because I'm imagining MYSELF a Controller, with my own kid saying he'll kill me just to get at the Yeerk. The fact that I'm enslaved AGAINST MY WILL makes me so mad at that imagined scenario that I just seethe. Then again, I have anger problems and I can't let things go. I tend to mock Cassie because she's way too forgiving. I also tend to scorn forgiveness in general, but ANYWAY!

I also don't like Marco because look what he did in MM#1! He's so immature! Sneaking into Darlene's house because he was banned from it for doing something obscene? And he never gets ANY punishment for it, not even a chewing out by Jake. Granted, there were more important things going on, but STILL...

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Re: Marco
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 07:05:42 PM »
He didn't do anything obsene. He threw a candy bar into the water and said it was a turd. And he was banned from a party three years after the incident, which in my opinion makes what he did justified.

He did not actually crap in the pool. If he did crap in the pool, I would understand the ban.


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Re: Marco
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 07:07:25 PM »

Some people find stuff like that disturbingly disgusting. And I am one of them.

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Re: Marco
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2011, 07:16:24 PM »
I found it disgusting when my brothers repeatedly pointed out how squirting ketchup from a near empty plastic container made it sound as though it was farting. I don't consider my brothers evil for this fact.

My own brother has killed people on his tour in Iraq. It was war and it had to be done to protect himself, his company, and innocent civilians.

I rest my case.

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Re: Marco
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2011, 07:25:20 PM »
And I guess I get so upset because I'm imagining MYSELF a Controller, with my own kid saying he'll kill me just to get at the Yeerk.

Killing V1 wasn't Marco's primary motivation. It just sounded better than 'looking for closure/a way to end my mother's godawful existence as a total slave'.

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I also don't like Marco because look what he did in MM#1! He's so immature! Sneaking into Darlene's house because he was banned from it for doing something obscene? And he never gets ANY punishment for it, not even a chewing out by Jake. Granted, there were more important things going on, but STILL...

"Hey Marco you really shouldn't have snuck into Darlene's OH GOD THE KILLER TORNADO'S GONNA EAT US"

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Re: Marco
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2011, 07:32:50 PM »
If it was a comedy series it would have been hilarious if Jake had ignored the Veleek to lecture Marco. Marco would mention the killer tornado, and Jake would tell him not to change the subject.

Animorphs isn't that kind of series, though.


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