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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2011, 05:15:34 PM »
Phoenix: The only ships that could cause major damage from orbit are, at least from my point of view, probably only the Blade ship and the Pool ship, respectively. Really, can you imagine a Bug fighter having enough power to roast a city? A CITY? Sure, a building, maybe, but not a whole CITY. If they had several warships in orbit, sure, but throughout the series all we ever see is the Blade ship, the Pool ship/mother ship, and a few hundred Bug fighters. Also, you're forgetting that humanity might actually be able to somehow secure a few Bug fighters or even salvage wrecked ones and learn how to fight space battles using them. Hell, all that's needed is to place a nuke in one salvaged Bug fighter, send a human crew to fly it up to the Blade ship, and KABOOM! Minus one warship. Really, this hypothetical war could go any way.

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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2011, 06:46:40 PM »
Phoenix: The only ships that could cause major damage from orbit are, at least from my point of view, probably only the Blade ship and the Pool ship, respectively. Really, can you imagine a Bug fighter having enough power to roast a city? A CITY? Sure, a building, maybe, but not a whole CITY. If they had several warships in orbit, sure, but throughout the series all we ever see is the Blade ship, the Pool ship/mother ship, and a few hundred Bug fighters. Also, you're forgetting that humanity might actually be able to somehow secure a few Bug fighters or even salvage wrecked ones and learn how to fight space battles using them. Hell, all that's needed is to place a nuke in one salvaged Bug fighter, send a human crew to fly it up to the Blade ship, and KABOOM! Minus one warship. Really, this hypothetical war could go any way.

You just said the exact thing I said by saying "pulling an Independence Day".
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2011, 07:12:11 PM »

Well, I'm just arguing for the same side! With much more detail. ;D

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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2011, 08:25:58 AM »
Yeerks would always win this battle due to superior technology and numbers.


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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2011, 06:32:38 PM »
Ok, I know it's been a while since this thread was discussed, but at the risk of starting a flame war, I'm going to revive it with some new information on the Yeerk versus human debate.

In KA's work, the Andalites, and the Yeerks (and most ALL other spacefaring fictional species) seemed to be based on Star Trek, more specifically, the Federation. This is a HIGHLY erroneous decision in my opinion, as the Federation is shown to HAVE NO ARMY. None. Whatsoever. Zero. Zilch. Nada. They have VERY powerful ships that they assume can and always will be available to be used for air support, but if they run into sensor jamming, shields, environmental conditions, additional warships, etc, that aerial support will quickly be cut off and the ground forces (such as they are) overwhelmed.

KA makes it seem as though ground battles are going to be pointless because of space/air support, which again lends credence to her basing her series' technology mainly on ST and the Federation. But ground support is just as vital and NECESSARY as a fully equipped mobile aerial/space force. We've seen a few examples of ground battles, such as in #18. The Decision, and those were AWFUL. The opposing forces wore NO ARMOR, they had no artillery support, no armored vehicles, no mines, and they basically just THREW THEMSELVES, unarmored, at the enemy to be devoured (in a Napeolonic era mass-charge effect) while small picket and support ships with transpolar/low-orbit/high-orbit capability provided cover fire. But again, this is not surprising considering the feudal nature of the Andalites. Yeerks (and Andalites) may sneer at tanks, mortars, grenade launchers, minefields, and nuclear weapons, but if we were to employ those same principles with much more advanced technology behind them I bet they wouldn't sneer at them for long!

Now, back to the orbital battle. Like I've said before, since the Yeerks were tied up elsewhere, they had a limited number of ships to use at Earth to subjugate a species of billions, which to me is just slightly less stupid than invading Nazi Germany with only 100 troops while you devote the bulk of your army to other locations! In any event, only TWO of those ships are shown high destructive power: the Blade ship and the Pool ship, which provide the role of capital ships. Bug fighters simply would NOT be able to generate the kind of power needed to cause significant damage from orbit, used as they are in an anti-fighter role. Now, let's examine the Blade ship and the Pool ship, shall we?

Like I have said in this reply, Animorphs (at least their technology) seems to have been based heavily on a Star Trek/pro-Federation stance. The destructive capacity of Star Trek ships is limited to MEGATONS, not GIGATONS. And no matter how many battles are going to be started from space by the Yeerks (i.e. raining down destruction on massive population centers), they are STILL going to have their hands full since they want at least a few hundred million to at most a few billion hosts, and too much collateral damage would hugely impede that. Thus, a good percentage of the battles are going to be fought on the ground.

Then there's also the possibility that we can ally with other countries (even ones we hate if it got desperate enough) to launch a coordinated strike of nuclear missiles and other WMDs against the most powerful ships in orbit. It's been stated the Yeerk and Andalite spaceships are shielded, but they don't seem to act like normal force fields seen in other sci-fi, but let's just say they work like Federation shields (since, as I've said, KA has based the Andalites/Yeerks on the Federation). I've been looking up the shield capacity for Federation and other Star Trek ships, and they can only handle so much before they collapse. I believe they can shield on orders of terawatts to gigawatts, but I'm not sure. In any case, there's THOUSANDS of nuclear weapons around the world, and launching those THOUSANDS would eventually drop the shields long enough to score massive hits. And even if all of the Bug fighters in orbit are Draconing those incoming missiles along with their Pool ship and Blade ship commanders, they STILL can't stop ALL of them. Then there's also the untold possibility of some of this debris drifting to Earth and humans getting ahold of it and reverse engineering the technology...

And to the final argument in this debate. The Yeerks' ability to infest and pass as other humans. Well, if humans were AWARE of the Yeerks' ability to control a host body, that would just increase suspicion and paranoia to levels previously unseen around the world. Anyone acting in even the SLIGHTEST suspicious manner during a wartime situation such as this would be detained for three days until their innocence was determined and they were proven to be Yeerk-free. They might even be killed in some of the lesser, more hostile Third World nations.

So. There you have it. What do you think? I want a good, healthy debate. Opinions, people, opinions! ;)

P.S.: It's a shame KA didn't base her weapons on Star Wars as opposed to Star Trek, as those shows are all about war and destruction...
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2011, 07:17:32 PM »
BTW how DO you create polls? Any help?
you click the create poll button beside the start new topic button... or something like that
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2011, 08:44:06 PM »
I wonder if the new Battle: Los Angeles would change any viewpoints...
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2011, 09:27:05 PM »

Please, people, if you're going to post here, post in regards to the topic subject.

I still haven't found out the shield strength of Andalite and Yeerk forces (which are supposed to be based on Star Trek/The Federation) but I HAVE learned not all shields have to be the same. They can be different.

More on this later...

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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2011, 10:56:36 PM »
     We must consider the strengths and weaknesses of both types of techonology--energy vs projectile weaponry.

     For example; I don't believe Dracon beams recquire reloading, but I think they run on a battery.
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2011, 02:10:13 AM »
Projectile weapons take maybe several seconds to reload, so that's not much. Sadly, I think since the Yeerks have "Federation"-based technology, they will eventually need to have to take a drained Dracon beam back to a recharger. And do Yeerks use grenades? Rocket launchers? Those can provide enough cover fire for time to reload projectile weapons. It's not projectile weapons that are inferior, it's the DESIGN of those weapons that are either superior or inferior. The Yeerks and Andalites have this attitude that if it doesn't run on energy or looks big and "sci-fi-ey," then it is primitive cavemen level technology. Even in Star Wars and Halo, where big energy weapons and "sci-fi-ey" things are the norm, they still have "slugthrowers."

When KA based her species on the Federation, that, unfortunately, gave them this view that the future means phasing back some of the essential stuff, when it's just the opposite! That stuff gets improved and upgraded. "More advanced" doesn't necessarily mean "better," and no matter how powerful your space and air forces are, you're still eventually going to need a well-equipped mobile ground army, which we have in spades.
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2011, 05:43:33 AM »
I would have to say humans.

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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2011, 07:47:19 PM »
I would have to say humans.

Humans all the way. Sheer numbers give it to the apes. Remember, V3 remarked on this in #1.
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2011, 10:14:11 PM »
I say we would win for the reasons of number, firepower, and determination. Visser One landed on earth during the Gulf War and saw a couple guys get blown up by a tank and then described our weaponry as primitive yet powerfull. Picture this threat, we evacuate all the major cities where their are yeerk pools. Then we send in a helicopter or military jet with a nuke attached and threaten to drop it if they don't leave. Different threat strap a couple nuclear bombs to a rocket while a blade ship or pool ship is in the atmosphere. Then if we did just a straight out fight on every street in the world I'd say we would win by the sheer force of combined military forces, guerrilla fighters, people trying to save their own skin, and people driven insane by the war, there would be a huge bang and then then about 20 hork bjair would be full of holes. Seriously they could have done a movie about guys kind of like the A team rescuing captured humans, bombing yeerk pools, and eventually assassinating high ranked yeerks.
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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2011, 04:27:18 AM »

I'd watch that! ;D

And it's like I said; the Yeerks are powerful enough to DESTROY people from orbit, but, if they want to take enough humans, they need better ground armies. Only a soldier can conquer and hold territory, which is what they're trying to do to Earth. They didn't even equip Hork-Bajir with some kind of material to resist bullets! Was anyone else outraged that Visser One sent a group of Hork-Bajir to the Doubleday's command headquarters WITHOUT Kevlar?! Come on, can't you make some in Hork-Bajir size? This shows that the Yeerks based their ground combat doctrines on the Andalites, who are largely feudal. Thus, if they want to destroy Earth, they can do it, but good luck holding ONTO it. Visser One saw the truth, but you didn't want to listen! Way to screw things up, fat, corrupt, corporate bureaucrats on the Council of Thirteen! ::)

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Re: Who would win - Yeerks or humans?
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2011, 09:35:37 PM »
I probably would watch it to. For an Abunorphs movie it would be funny if they called it "The A team"
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