Animorphs Civil War

[aguito]

That's why I think Tobias might be a tricky one if it ever came down to a fight - he's the one that's used to staying away from the battle and waging war from a distance. He always stays back, cool and calm and collected, never gets real involved in the fights. Its that detachment that would make him such a difficult opponent to understand and subsequently take down. But if anyone has an edge at out-thinking and destroying an opponent, it's gotta be Marco, particularly when the opponent is an old friend. all the other anis would hesitate and have a lot of problems and regrets and otherr internal conflicts. Not that Marco doesn't have them, he would just cope with it better, as evidenced by his continual struggle against visser 1/his mom.

[CounterInstinct]

I meant that was @Kotetsu, noit @aguito. Sorry 'bout that.
Again, Tobias provides Sight, not Power. Hawkeyes.

Jake is also like this in a battle. He's even more decisive than Marco. That's why he's the best leader from the six.

Unlike Marco though, he regrets AFTER the battle. DURING, not so much. Like how he decided to sacrifice Marco and Rachel in #41 to save the rest of the Anis.

[Kotetsu1442]

I meant that was @Kotetsu, noit @aguito. Sorry 'bout that.
Again, Tobias provides Sight, not Power. Hawkeyes.

Yes, I understand his role as 'eye in the sky,' I'm just commenting on how doggedly he sticks to that when the situation doesn't warrant it, it's one thing when they are out in the open, trying to figure out what they are doing and need to keep an eye out for ambushes; but when the situation is an enclosed space with limited entrances and they have a single clear direction to head in (either 'get the hell out' or 'go rescue/grab that thing in the middle of the room' and all they need is pure battle power, everyone else busts out their most brute strength morphs and but Tobias sticks to hawk and repeats the divebomb to distract Hork-Bajir when everyone else is outnumbered and could really use brute force.

I'm not saying that Tobias providing intelligence is always unnecessary, I'm saying that there are times when it is unnecessary and rather than fighting as a hawk he could be a lot more useful in other forms; he's very comfortable using his 'natural' hawk form and is quite experienced in it, but using it as a crutch makes him perhaps the worst morpher.

[JohnBlaze]

The Marco thing is a good idea, but don't forget his disadvantages in The Weakness, where he admitted that he's a strategist, but it would take so long to plan stuff out, it'll be too late. Though Rachel doesnt have strategy, I think as far as it being a fight, she'd win. I'd give it to Jake as well cus he's a little of both.

[zaprowsdower]

Anybody wonder what it would be like if the Animorphs had a Civil War, like 3v3?

[A ghost you know]

Rachel was actually a pretty decent strategist; she did reasonably well leading the Animorphs during Jake's away-time. Her only real mistake was pushing for one more mission when everyone else wanted to call it quits.
I was thinking of more an arena-style battle, but for a scatter battle I have to agree that Marco > all, since he's the best strategist and he's reasonably ruthless as well.
Come to think of it, Tobias could potentially track one Animorph at a time from the air, then pick them off when they're vulnerable. He would be a definite danger to the others... I think I still have to give Marco the win, though.

[MoppingBear]

Anybody wonder what it would be like if the Animorphs had a Civil War, like 3v3?

Rachel, Tobias, Marco  VS Jake, Ax, Cassie

[JohnBlaze]

Anybody wonder what it would be like if the Animorphs had a Civil War, like 3v3?

Rachel, Tobias, Marco  VS Jake, Ax, Cassie

No fair...side with Ax wins by default....that tail ends discussions pretty quickly

[MoppingBear]

Anybody wonder what it would be like if the Animorphs had a Civil War, like 3v3?

Rachel, Tobias, Marco  VS Jake, Ax, Cassie

No fair...side with Ax wins by default....that tail ends discussions pretty quickly

rachel is on the other side, she ends things pretty quickly too.  im assuming they are all in battlemorph from the getgo, otherwise you are most probably right.

[Kotetsu1442]

Within Animorphs cannon, in terms of speed:
snake strike > Andalite tail > pretty much anything else on Earth's reaction time

So a well placed Marco strike could balance out the 3v3

But even without that, Ax with a tail blade doesn't completely end the discussion; because even if he inflicts a mortal wound on, say a gorilla, Animorphs leaves room for 'mortal wounds' to not mean death; if said gorilla was able to strike a crushing blow strong enough to force Ax to back off and morph out his injuries then Marco as gorilla could also afford time to back off and morph out; or in a team setting the others could hold the place in a temporary 2v3 while one morphs out; there could be quite a bit of this back and forth on both sides before exhaustion puts the limits on how long this can go on; so it would depend on the situation and the combination of many spur-of-the-moment decisions to decide the final outcome.



Oh, how about this:
When Cassie was shrunk, somehow 'the animal DNA that she contained was shrunk as well' but she was able from her shrunken form to acquire 'normal sized DNA' for an ant-eater. After being grown back to her normal size, she uses 'grown anteater DNA' and becomes a super-gigantic anteater and eats all the other Anis... Cassie wins!

[zaprowsdower]

Yeah that's something from 24 they never touched on, that Cassie can morph into a mile-long monster anteater that could suck up all of their enemies-or should I say DOOMEATER??????MUAHAHAHAHHA!!!!

[donut]

In a straight stuck in an areana style battle, I think it would come down to Jake vs Rachel, I think a Siberian tiger could take a grizzly.  Siberian tigers hunt brown bears (although not grizzlies) as an alternative food source.  Siberian tigers have an average weight b/w 450-600 pounds.  And are extremely fast and agile. 

The average weight for a Grizzly is about the same, between 400 and 600 pounds.  Grizzlies are also fairly fast in a run, but not as agile. 

They both have very similar weapons, but I believe the tiger could use them easier than the bear because of it's agility.

Now if Rach had a kodiak...

also the terrain would matter, if there were things lieing around that could be used as weapons, like logs or big rocks, I bet Marco would put them to good use, and he'd be the only one who could.

Now in a scatter battle, I think it'd be either Marco or Tobias.  They both have the right mentality for that kind of fight.  Both would be able to operate alone fairly well, and have the sense to stalk a target and know to wait for the right moment to strike, don't forget that Tobias has a Hork Bajir he has used effectively in fights and Marco has a cobra, pretty close to a one strike weapon, but in a scatter battle that's all he'd need.


Now if they were already morphed, I think Jake could handle Ax, or at least make it an even fight, it was mentioned a few times that his tiger was fast enough to avoid V3s tail in a few fights

[JohnBlaze]

Grizzlies are waaayyy bigger than 600 lbs....we're talkin 750-800 range

DOOMEATER >>>>

[Kotetsu1442]

In a straight stuck in an areana style battle, I think it would come down to Jake vs Rachel, I think a Siberian tiger could take a grizzly.  Siberian tigers hunt brown bears (although not grizzlies) as an alternative food source.  Siberian tigers have an average weight b/w 450-600 pounds.  And are extremely fast and agile. 

The average weight for a Grizzly is about the same, between 400 and 600 pounds.  Grizzlies are also fairly fast in a run, but not as agile. 

I'd put my money on the Grizzly. Siberian tigers are big kitties, but Grizzly bears are much more so, particularly in coastal regions where being more than 1,000 pounds is no big deal. To add more perspective, a Grizzly already with its fully grown weight can add on the weight of an entire Siberian tiger in preparation for winter, that's right, putting on an extra 400-500 pounds when already being almost double the weight of the kitty is a bit of an advantage. And even when ready for winter they aren't a big pile of fat either, if you've ever seen one even from a fair distance you don't need to get close to see that they are serious business. Sure, the tiger is faster, but if all it is doing is swiping and running to never be in range long enough to get hit by the grizzly then it would take a lot longer than the morphing limit to bleed the bear out. And with the grizzly, all it would take is one solid hit before the tiger is dead or at least too dazed to defend itself.

[donut]

It depends on how technically accurate they were with the term grizzly.  All brown bears are considered the same species but grizzlies are a subspecies.  If they were using the term grizzly to mean any brown bear it could have been one of the coastal bears you described or conceivably a kodiak which have been known to exceed 2000 pounds, although I doubt it could be a kodiak.

yes, I've seen brown bears a little too close for comfort, they a definitly serious business.

I'm not concerned much with running speed as much as agility.  I think the tiger would be better able to actually use it's weapons than a grizzly during the fight, especially it's hind legs.  I don't know too much about how tigers fight, but I know cats if given the opportunity will try to "dig" into their opponent with the hind legs, which is very effective and can be done while the tiger is pinned on his back.

After searching a little, I found that it's the ussuri brown bear that the siberian tiger occasionally hunts, but I can't find a weight on them.  and yes sometimes the bear will win, but it usually goes to the tiger.