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Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« on: May 30, 2010, 09:08:34 PM »
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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 09:10:51 PM »
I don't remember her well, so I'm not sure. She was in book 28, right?


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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2010, 09:31:23 PM »
 she was in the arrival #38
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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 09:35:56 PM »
It's super sad that I saw that and thought of Kat and was really confused as to why a thread had been made about her.....


I think she was a good character. She had some Mary Sue-like qualities, but her genius was not only her asset, it was her downfall. She also suffered from a pretty healthy dose of cowardice. These things, I think, took away her Sueness.

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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2010, 05:02:52 AM »
It's super sad that I saw that and thought of Kat and was really confused as to why a thread had been made about her.....

why WOULDN'T a thread be made about me? i am pretty awesome 8)

lol seriously thought, i thought she was well written for the most part. However, it really bothered me how at the end even tho she was being used by the higher up andalites, when she found out, she still sided w/the andalites who were using her. what was the point of making this genius character that is so impressionable? it would have been better had she realized the severity of what she was doing.

I don't know, im babbling and its 3 am. i hope that at least makes some sense :-\
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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2010, 07:14:36 PM »
I think she was a good character. She had some Mary Sue-like qualities, but her genius was not only her asset, it was her downfall. She also suffered from a pretty healthy dose of cowardice. These things, I think, took away her Sueness.

Pretty much that.
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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 01:08:53 AM »
It's super sad that I saw that and thought of Kat and was really confused as to why a thread had been made about her.....

why WOULDN'T a thread be made about me? i am pretty awesome 8)

lol seriously thought, i thought she was well written for the most part. However, it really bothered me how at the end even tho she was being used by the higher up andalites, when she found out, she still sided w/the andalites who were using her. what was the point of making this genius character that is so impressionable? it would have been better had she realized the severity of what she was doing.

I don't know, im babbling and its 3 am. i hope that at least makes some sense :-\
It kind of makes sense to me actually.  A lot of times, prodigies are sheltered from the world when they are young.  Therefore, they don't develop certain social skills that tell them that not everyone can be trusted.

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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 02:10:15 AM »
good to know at least someone gets my late night babbling :P

that's actually a good point. i never thought of the sheltered aspect.
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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2010, 12:49:56 AM »
I think she was a good character. She had some Mary Sue-like qualities, but her genius was not only her asset, it was her downfall. She also suffered from a pretty healthy dose of cowardice. These things, I think, took away her Sueness.

Pretty much that.

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The only problem with Estrid was that KA never did anything with her after that book.

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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 02:10:59 AM »
It's super sad that I saw that and thought of Kat and was really confused as to why a thread had been made about her.....

me too. reading estrid in the books feels so weird.

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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 02:21:44 AM »
lol glad to know im so loved, that the real estrid has been forgotten :P i have taken over her role perfectly ;D
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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2010, 03:00:27 AM »
too true, estrid. too true.

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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 04:18:00 AM »
The only problem with Estrid was that KA never did anything with her after that book.

When I first read the series, I used to think and hope that Ax would eventually go back to his homeworld after the war, marry her, and have lots of little baby Andalites. On a second read-through, I decided that Ax could do much better.

She might be beautiful and brilliant, but she's got a bit of a scummy, cowardly side to her as well.


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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 12:17:52 PM »
I'd like to hear the opinion of the two people who voted 'Badly Written'. I'd be interested in hearing someone elses perspective. :)

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Re: Estrid: Good, Bad or Mary-Sue
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2010, 10:49:08 PM »
I actually just reread that book for a fanfiction idea (she's actually really hard to write for).  I agree with advanced people being sheltered thing on her part.  She's naive and thinks that she can change a world that's already too bent on the war effort, which is probably why she went (also the ending wouldn't be quite as romantic too, lmao). 

For some reason I kind of also am reminded of the Daisy character from the Great Gatsby-- I feel like if more time was spent on her background, she might've had a few of the traits: "They were careless people... they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money of their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made."  She had Arbat rep-ing for her, and the way she's naive, sort of reminded me of that I suppose  and her retreat was that wacky sounding science field.  I would like my ffiction to reflect that...

Yeah I don't really see her in the best light, but she's a very interesting character because of it.