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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #210 on: December 17, 2008, 03:39:24 PM »
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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #211 on: December 17, 2008, 04:30:18 PM »
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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #212 on: December 17, 2008, 04:44:55 PM »
Somehow, I know what she means about war. That it is bloody and brutal. It does not have a bad guys in the dirt good guys standing proud ending. Just look at WW2. My country killed hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of innocent people, innocent animals, children even in the bombing of Japan. All of this happened because one day a person rounded up his buddies and said "I want to take over the world." They got themselves elected for what ever postion it is they have in Japan and bombed Pearl Harbor and killed at least thousands of people, wounded even more. When we bombed them, we were protecting ourselves, but in the process we killed millions of innocent people and animals. I don't like that. I don't like the ending of the Animorphs series either. But, KA was right. Wars are ugly affairs. Usually over useless things. Things that could've been easiy prevented. She was just doing her best to not make Animorphs a Disney movie. She suffered the loss of great fans, but she was not going to make Animorphs a Disney movie. More like a Goosebumps book. You think everythings all right and perfect, then it goes KABLOOEY!!!

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These are my imeddiate thoughts after reading KA's thing.
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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #213 on: December 17, 2008, 04:59:35 PM »
If Cassie died, I'd be almost as upset. Though it would have been quite ironic. The reason Rachel died is because Jake needed to make sure Toma and the box weren't taken. How ironic would it be that Cassie died because of her decision at the end of book 50?

EXACTLY!

You want to show realism? OK, show us how morals have no place in wars. I love Cassie (even though I know more than half of the board hates her), but her death would've been more tragic imo. Not because I would miss her more (because I like Rachel just as much), but because it would be a great display of how war destroys everything pure.

Not ONLY did she live, but she came out seemingly unscathed and prosperous from the war. In real wars, people like Cassie die, while people like Rachel are considered heroes, or monsters, but still live. I dont think K.A. cared how they died, just that it happened.

Cassie's death wouldn't have made sense though.  We know Cassie would never agree to kill Tom, or even to let Rachel or anyone else kill him.  That's clear from her actions in #50.

Just like Jake said, Rachel was the only one who could have done it.

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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #214 on: December 17, 2008, 05:22:57 PM »
She didn't have to make it a Disney movie ending to make it mostly a happy one. I'm not even asking for a totally happy ending, with no bitterness. I just wanted an ending where the Anis came out the other side positively well off. Somewhere in between what we got, and the notorious Harry potter ending. Coincidentally, I never saw the ending of HP. I watched a few of the movies, but not the last one or two.

The people who were unhappy with the ending are the same people that bought all those books. I know Everworld didn't last very long, and I'll bet Remnants didn't sell nearly as well as Animorphs. She needed to be more careful about how she ended her first series, if she wanted those same fans to buy her other series.


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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #215 on: December 18, 2008, 05:31:31 AM »
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agree 99% (sorry. only 99. the last one percent is because I don't think it's necessarily the best, but it's definitely near the top)

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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #216 on: December 18, 2008, 09:37:20 AM »
I'm not sure what kind of scenario would cause Cassie to go after Tom, but I'm just saying it would be ironic.


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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #217 on: December 18, 2008, 05:00:25 PM »
Easy, if he killed Jake. Or hurt Jake. Or something like that.
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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #218 on: December 18, 2008, 05:53:14 PM »
I don't think so...cassie doesn't seem like someone who would want revenge. Cassie didn't even want to kill david. the only person, I can recall, that she wanted to kill was visser three's twin.

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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #219 on: December 18, 2008, 06:46:38 PM »
Gee, I think what really happened is KA hated Animorphs all along. The cruel irony of it being a consistent best seller haunted her day and night. She probably hated every stupid brat that kept buying her books every month and decided to ruin their lives by trashing her series. That's because she's a really nasty selfish hack of a writer, right?


The attacks on KA here are getting a little ridiculous.


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When, exactly, did KA start to care about being realistic? NOTHING about Animorphs is realistic, that was half of the fun.
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Book one? When the first mission failed spectacularly. When Cassie told the others the policeman who'd captured her would no longer be a problem. When Tobias became trapped in morph.

This was the tone KA set right from the start of the series. On top of that, all four Chronicles had dark, bleak endings. Foreshadowing, much?

Animorphs was not a fun happy fantasy story that took a completely unanticipated left turn into dark, bleak reality in the last book. If that's what you think, you were not paying attention. Dark, bleak reality was present throughout the series, always keeping the wild fantasy story grounded.

You dont think that it's a fantasy to picture that 6 kids would be able to stand up to an entire militant army that specialized in capture and had the best cloaking, technology, and overall experience around?

The fact that they even lived through the first mission at all is a fantasy. You're right, I agree, Animorphs did have some very dark moments. All of the character's have suffered in some way (some more than others), but I just dont think the ending did it justice. Too many loose ends weren't tied up. Make a story end as depressing as you like, just at least make it a complete ending.

I'd be all for it if she re-wrote the book, didnt make any changes to the core story, but just added more detail and went a more in-depth to what happened to some of the others (Loren for example), and I'd have liked her to go deeper into Jake's psych. W

As for what you said about Rachel being the one who does all the dirty work, I agree, but that doesnt mean sacrificing yourself. Sorry, but I just cant believe that that was her complete goal (or anyone's for that matter).

Also, as for Tobias getting stuck as a nothlit in the first book contributing to the theme, I think the point gets mooted when a supernatural being not only gives him his powers back, but takes him back into time so that he can aquire himself.

Also, I feel I need to say, I dont hate KA as a person or as a write (obviously, considering I keep reading her material), it's just for some reason talking about Animorphs kind of brings out something in me (I guess because they were my childhood heroes growing up). I realize that what I say sometimes comes out very harsh, especially towards KA, and I'm sorry. I do need to work on that.

To her credit I have read Remnants (not a lot of it, only the first 2 books), and I will say that I did enjoy it and if there were more available I would probably finish it.
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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #220 on: December 22, 2008, 09:46:34 PM »
I don't think so...cassie doesn't seem like someone who would want revenge. Cassie didn't even want to kill david. the only person, I can recall, that she wanted to kill was visser three's twin.

Yeah,  but she totally went bezerk in MM3. Well, sorta. First she was 'I'm a happy dolphin w/out a care in the world' then she was 'I'm gonna swallow your head dude!' then she was 'I'm not gonna kill you, you're never gonna be born!'. None of them are Cassie but all of them are done by her.
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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #221 on: December 23, 2008, 02:12:11 AM »
eh...the "swallow your head dude" part...was what? you mean the guy who called her black?

the second one, she didn't exactly want to do it (and therefore, does count as being cassie), but felt that she was the one that had to do it.

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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #222 on: December 23, 2008, 05:05:49 AM »
1. Yes, that's the one I'm talking about
2.  Fine, I guess your right.

Listen. I posted my opinions and you contridicted them and it's 5:01 AM in my time zone and I still havent gotten to sleep because I'm sick so if I sound a little rude right now how would you feel if it were 5 AM aNND YOU STILL HADN'T GOTTEN TO SLEEP AND YOU WERE SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????

Sorry, bout that. I'm exhausted, I can't get to sleep and I'm a little annoyed. What can I say.

Anyway, how did this get from me stating my opinion to a conversation about whether or not Cassie did a couple of things. And she nearly swallowed his head, then Rachel walkied in with Marco.
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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #223 on: December 23, 2008, 05:12:01 AM »
...I never said you were rude. I was just giving reasons as to why I disagreed...

that guy...well you're right she wanted to kill him, or at the very least teach him a lesson he won't forget anytime soon...but I don't know, that seems different somehow...somehow still cassie...call it a feeling if you will.

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Re: K.A's response to the final book criticsm.
« Reply #224 on: December 24, 2008, 08:23:07 PM »
I didn't say you said I sounded rude I said if I sounded rude

Sorry, as well. As I said, I hadn't slept all night it it was 5 AM. I'm very rude when I'm tired, trust me.

Now back on topic.

I just reread that part and she thought that not only was Jake dead, but so was Rachel, and Marco and Ax might have been. She had been in 3 wars since breakfast and was not having a very good day. I admit that I forgot most of it. Plus it was 5 AM and I was very very VERY cranky. I do apologize.
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