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Offline Chad32

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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2009, 10:25:55 PM »
I can understand if Arbron didn't crack jokes so many years after becoming a Taxxon nothlit. Not sure what happened with Aldrea.

It might be interesting to hear an exchange between Marco and old Arbron. Marco wouldn't know what to do with an Andalite whose humor comes mostly from trying to be funny, instead of like Ax where he just doesn't understand Human customs and such.


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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2009, 10:40:42 PM »
See it wasn't even that he was hardened/traumatized by his life as a Taxxon. He just reverted to the standby arrogant/well-spoken Andalite, instead of showing the spunk and courage he showed right before Elfangor and Alloran left. Any Chronicles characters that showed up in the regular series were poor, straw dopplegangers. Including Visser Three.
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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2009, 10:31:30 AM »
See it wasn't even that he was hardened/traumatized by his life as a Taxxon. He just reverted to the standby arrogant/well-spoken Andalite, instead of showing the spunk and courage he showed right before Elfangor and Alloran left. Any Chronicles characters that showed up in the regular series were poor, straw dopplegangers. Including Visser Three.

I really agree with that. 

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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2009, 06:02:35 AM »
GOD YES the only thing Ax ever said about Loren was like "my brother had chosen a worthy mate" or something and I was like "really? Ax, the Andalite fetishist has absolutely no problem that his heroic brother/role-model holed up with a human??? You wouldn't even talk to the gimpy Andalite!"

That is exactly what I mean! Exactly! ;D Ax can be such a racist (speciesist?) sometimes - like a lot of other stupid kids parroting supposed cultural ideals - yet he just accepted Elfangor's decision to run away from way to hook up with some blonde alien chick (who I think Ax also said was short) before the Ellimist dragged him away again? If he was that accpeting, why didn't he turn to Loren in book #50, when he was despairing as to what Elfangor would do? If she remembered something, anything, beyond that "flash of blue", the conversation might be worthy of his time. But even if she didn't, her spirit was still in tact, even if her memories weren't. The woman his brother abandoned the Andalites for may have brought him some comfort, you know? Just by being there.

Really, it was entirely OOC for our favourite little Andalite. The whole Elfangor-Loren-Tobias-Ax arc was sloppily handled, and it was such a wonderful and interesting idea. We never got a scene wherein Tobias told Ax and the others about Elfangor being his father, either, which I always thought was shockingly lazy writing. Would Ax accept it? Would he freak out? Would he embrace Tobias, crying "my nephew!"

Who knows? BECAUSE KAA NEVER WROTE IT. Ugh.

I kind of think it was laziness too :/ There were enough 130-page ghostwritten books that could have definitely benefitted from the extra 20 of character development.

Definatley. #54 is a prime example of this. 150 pages - that's it?! That's all we get as a wrap-up, after five years? Are you serious?! Where's our 400-page epic, damnit?! The least we should have gotten was a 190-pager like #1, just so the story could be told properly, and all the characters got their chance to shine, like they did in most of the MegaMorphs books.

They'd all almost become cardboard cutouts by the end of it.

The same thing happened whenever they brought back characters from the Chronicles books. Aldrea was weirdly immature and submissive and lost all of her charm, Arbron lost every semblance of his sense
of humor and character. I kind of wince on this reread whenever that happens. It really is kind of sad, because no one's story felt over at the end of their books, but damn if I knew that was what we were going to get...

This is an excellent point. The ghostwriters have a lot to answer for, here. But so do KAA and her editors for approving the release of books like #34 in the state they were in. Not only Aldrea, but Marco's awful pseudo-funny line about The Phantom Menace. Ugh - that a groaner! >:(

The tragedy was, KAA wrote #53, and she still stuffed it up. She had not one, but two Chronicles characters, on board - Loren and Arbron - and she still butchered them. Was Loren even mentioned in #53 or #54?  It was like she was setting fire to her own work and legacy.

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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2009, 12:02:21 PM »
I don't think Loren was mentioned after the rescue. She was only used as a plot point, and not an actual person. It's just wrong.


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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2009, 12:32:33 AM »
I read 54 in one hour. The first Harry Potter book was longer than that. And to think 54 was the last of it's 50+ book series. The most popular book series right now, Harry Potter, didn't even have 1/8 as many books as Animorphs. And butt-kicking, rock throwing, Miss Independent, "If you move you die", battle chick Loren (try saying that three times fast). What the hell happend to her? And the OOCness Ax. One word. Awful. It's so bad it doesn't deserve anything more descriptive.
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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2009, 01:38:09 AM »
I just kept telling myself it was all teh war that messed them up ....
but you are right T_T It's just wrong. teh OOCness and all that other stuff T_T

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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2010, 10:18:08 PM »
I think us fans were cheated, too. You'd think we would have gotten a sneak peek into the Andalite Homeworld at last, as we should have seen what it was like for Ax finally getting back to his homeworld.

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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2010, 01:19:19 PM »
I always found it interesting how fresh Aristh coud hack the Yeerks battle network. I think that was exgatterated.
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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2010, 07:44:26 PM »
Who knows? Maybe Ax got bonus training because he was the brother of the Legendary Elfangor.  Or that being his brother, Ax was expected to excel in tecnology. And maybe Ax was just plain talented.  Some thing made each of the human Animorphs different, why not Ax?
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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2010, 05:12:20 AM »
About the things they forgot in the books, like the conversation between Ax and Tobias about Elfangor being Tobias' father and Loren being Tobias' mother, and all that kind of stuff... You can write fanfictions ^^
I kind of tried when I wrote my fanfiction, to explain why they surrendered so quickly at the end, what happened to the Yeerks after the war, etc. Just a little, but I didn't like some holes in the books either. Well, my fanfiction is in French, so...
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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2010, 11:50:40 AM »
About the things they forgot in the books, like the conversation between Ax and Tobias about Elfangor being Tobias' father and Loren being Tobias' mother, and all that kind of stuff... You can write fanfictions ^^
I kind of tried when I wrote my fanfiction, to explain why they surrendered so quickly at the end, what happened to the Yeerks after the war, etc. Just a little, but I didn't like some holes in the books either. Well, my fanfiction is in French, so...
But you can do something like that ^^

Yes but fanfictions are... different. We can write fanfictions for everything, what we want is the author's text.


I got so annoyed at the last book partly because of how Ax was not used enough. He got to speak for one (or two?) chapters and then die. He was so botched... (but yeah, that's the last book's problems, we have a super huge thread about that already).

I would have wanted to read the scene were Tobias tells everybody he is Elfangor's son... I can imagine them, of course, but I wanted to read them as they would have been written by KAA (or one of her ghostwriters...pfft).
At least we know that that one happened at some point.

I would have wanted a scene in which Loren would have asked Ax about Elfangor... I mean, it's not everyday that you learn that you had a kid with a blue alien !
(and that scene, I'm not sure that it even happened... I didn't read the last books very deeply because they were in english and my english was pretty bad at the time I tried to read them...)
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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2010, 01:07:47 PM »
Nah, see, the final arc, where all the Animorphs' parents were getting involved and you had an extremely tense situation; that would have been the perfect time to develop all of the characters (not just Ax), but since there was a different writer ever book, it never really got off the ground.

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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2010, 09:37:32 AM »
About the things they forgot in the books, like the conversation between Ax and Tobias about Elfangor being Tobias' father and Loren being Tobias' mother, and all that kind of stuff... You can write fanfictions ^^
I kind of tried when I wrote my fanfiction, to explain why they surrendered so quickly at the end, what happened to the Yeerks after the war, etc. Just a little, but I didn't like some holes in the books either. Well, my fanfiction is in French, so...
But you can do something like that ^^

Yes I can but I thought it would be nice for everyone if I did a thrend on it rather than write a fanfic that may get lost in the world of animorph fanfiction.  Then eveyone can add their own voice to it.
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Re: I just relized how non-existent Ax's history is.
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2010, 03:33:57 AM »

Sorry for posting so long in a while, but there's an excellent fanfiction writer who addresses BOTH these issues (how he found out about Elfangor, and his life before the Animorphs), her name is L'Angel and they are explored at length in The Liberation Chronicles and um... I forget the name of the second one. :-]