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Re: Crayak and Ellimist, how equally matched are they?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2009, 07:42:21 PM »
yeah.

 the morph tech might also be used more for science than war.
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Re: Crayak and Ellimist, how equally matched are they?
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2009, 11:34:23 AM »
The ellimist was an Andalite on the homeworld in TEC millions of years ago.
(It was after this he became powerful and stopped Crayak from blowing up a world of living Dinosaurs, ie Earth.)
In HBC Aldrea states that her friends mother was a part in the development of it, which is how she got it, fairly recently, (approx. 1950-1960) She may have been among the first to have it. The Ellimist him self when to planet andalite and said "I'm not gonna interefere" He used a gun like 3 times, and gave them no technology.
Who's to say that in the millions of years hence, with the develop of z-space technology, and obviously strength in physics and biology that this is so impossible for them to come up with, why must so create that they've called a myth for centeries come in to make all there tools
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Re: Crayak and Ellimist, how equally matched are they?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2009, 12:00:57 AM »
In reference to the ellimist and his interaction with the andalites, i think he, at the time, unwittingly mentally advanced them farther than they normally would have naturally. He spoke to them in thought speak back in days that they used hand signs, and when he did they calmed down. Not only that, he used a gun, possibly much like the andalite shredder. now this is a stretch as the andalites took about 65 million years, but it's true that tales of the ellimist were always handed down amongst generations. Did it occur to anyone he unwittingly gave them another possibility for communication?? That in seeing him communicate they had something better to strive for (isn't that how all civilizations advance, at least in human cultures?). Also, taking into account that in TEC he essentially "created" an Andalite Ellimist, using the andalite form, but not necessarily dna?? And the andalite ellimist procreated, we know he lost his child, but none ever said that he had no other children after. even his wife had said they make more babies and maybe they won't die by the virus. Taking this into account, the andalite Ellimist essentially severely contaminated the andalite gene pool, and, while it was extremely slow progress, it was progress nonetheless.

As for who is mor powerful, for every advancement that Ellimist acquired so did Crayak, and vice versa, that's why Ellimist ran and ended up on the Andalite planet to begin with. eventually Ellimist became purely ehtereal, and started undoing things that crayak did in te moments he did them. and eventually crayak found a way to advance himself to ethereal, and here's where we find them. outside of space-time, able to see everything, and able to change everything from that point forward, but it occured to me that maybe they can't change anything that had already happened. If it were possible, then Ellimist would have stopped Crayak at his source

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Re: Crayak and Ellimist, how equally matched are they?
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2009, 09:48:16 AM »
they can change things that already happened, they can even make a relatively small tool to allow it (the time matrix).  the crayak and elimmist are like you said etherial, they exist outside space time and thus no longer have a "source" that can be prevented.

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Re: Crayak and Ellimist, how equally matched are they?
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2009, 04:29:37 PM »
but their source is not ethereal. ... so maybe it takes someone who is also not ethereal to do it. dunno.

also, do you think the person who chased away the Crayak is stronger than the ellimist?
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Re: Crayak and Ellimist, how equally matched are they?
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2009, 01:20:39 PM »
yeah.

 the morph tech might also be used more for science than war.

I think so too, at least at the beginning

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Re: Crayak and Ellimist, how equally matched are they?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2009, 09:23:17 AM »
but their source is not ethereal. ... so maybe it takes someone who is also not ethereal to do it. dunno.


it doesnt matter. the fact that they ever existed and have complete dominion over spacetime means that if they are ever destroyed, a past self can simply bring them back. theres also multiple timelines to consider, which they also have control over, thus if they ever existed in one timeline, they exist in all.  overall though, im pretty sure this is the exact reason for the rules they set up, because constantly destroying and regenerating each other would rip apart the fabric of the universe, which neither of them wanted.