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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2009, 08:38:45 AM »
I just realized that, if controlled and limited, having a yeerk could be a good thing.  You have a second mind going over your actions, acting as a normalizer for solitary types.  Your client (if the human is the host, then the yeerk is the client) could act as a secondary memory, and as a finder: the interface for the yeerk is probably much sharper, allowing it to dredge your brain for forgotten data. 
Would you accept such a bargain?  I would.  It's pretty messy up here.
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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2009, 08:52:43 AM »
I have a plan. Contact the chee in the sharing, find the morphing cube. I will convince the chee to help me find the biological data of the yeerks bodies. Create a chemical compound that will drug the yeerk in the controller's body make it suggestible to hypnotism then get them to come out of the host body without killing them, thus limiting the casualties, use the morphing cube to morph yeerks and put them in the former controllers to infiltrate the yeerks. with eriks help i'll start a company get lots of money began developing nonlethal (shock gun- enough to take down even the toughest animal, paralyzing venom, sticky substances think spiderman. force field armor controlled by a efficient targeting system and non lethal missles etc) weapons under the pretense of making society better, they will be used to fight the controllers . I'll start recruiting people far away from yeerk infested places to start a revolution. Develope devices that can detect kandrona energy or x ray miniature items to find who is a controller. Contact the yeers in yeerk peace movement work together. I'll use erik or yeerk peace movement yeerk to convince the higher up vissers or council of thirteen to use non lethal means of aquiring hosts. I'll start searching for pemalite technology to find a ship to travel to planet of Iskoort or use zero space to arrive their faster, to get proof for yeerks that their is a better way. Once enough of the rebels have enter the yeerk base I'll set a trap, sabotage their security, lace the air filter with slow knock out gas , but before that the rebels and yeerk peace troops would lure the majority enemy controllers in a room for a speech assembly or something then the knock out gas would already defeat them the communications would already be sabotaged so no distress signal would be sent. That way minimal to no casualties would happen making the other yeerks and peace movement yeerks more cooperative. As a bonus I'll discredit visser three, give evidence that he is a selfish bastard , he does not care about his fellow yeerks, he cares only about himself and he is a threat to the yeerk empire with his selfish ambitions and the way he treats his workers, example making workers blind with fear that makes coordination between leader and team difficult, fear making the yeerk soldiers less patriotic and efficient even silenting those who could have made the earth campaign better. close minded and of course his lack of loyalty and care for the wellbeing of his fellow yeerks., again making the yeerks more reasonable to negotions. I'll show them the Iskoort as proof of a better way. the drug is just a way of infiltration. I'll probably need aftran's help and the chee to get passed the leeran controllers then Crayak would probably find a way to hinder the plan of ending the war with minimal or no casualties. To further weaken the yeerks along with my plan I'll study the taxons physiology find a way to help them get kandrona generator for prisoners during the infiltration phase. With the minimal to no casualties the yeerks would probably trust and cooperate with humanity more. The rebels are just to hunt down any stragglers not caught in the trap. As a bonus maybe there is a way to stop crayak with the time matrix or lead him into a trap with a bigger cosmic being in another dimension or trap him in mortal form, if possible using zero space and the rubber band effect. , I don't understand the nature of his powers. How is the plan?[/color]

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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2009, 10:14:35 PM »
Assuming I was in the morphing group, I'd grab an animal with no ear canal, stay in it for the two hours, then do whatever. I'm a touch selfish.

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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #78 on: October 25, 2009, 06:45:34 PM »
 2005004219 you think outside the box, but i wonder why the andalites haven't already done so if it is possible?
Certainly the whole turning into animals to defeat aliens is ridiculous.

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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #79 on: October 25, 2009, 10:18:49 PM »
The Andalites didn't really turn into animals to defeat the Yeerks, in fact the Andalites in general seemed a bit morph shy which is odd because it was as standard issue to their military as uniforms are to most human militaries and you don't see human armies charging at each other in the nude . . . outside of magic the gathering books. :P
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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #80 on: October 25, 2009, 10:56:28 PM »
Fight... I'd help the Animorphs... Planning and information and such... until they could finally give me the morphing ability myself...

But I just thought of something interesting... Infiltration on a much deeper level...

Someone voluntarily becomes a Yeerk nothlit, and works his/her way up the Yeerk chain of command, becoming more and more powerful...
Such a deep cover operation would have to be accompanied by many Animorph missions to take out key higher-ups in the Yeerk command... simultaneously opening opportunities and clearing obstructions in the path of the operative. Once the operative was placed high enough, they would be able to strike a bargain with both the human race, and possibly (but much less likely) the Andalites... to end the war...
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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #81 on: October 26, 2009, 07:46:45 AM »
But I just thought of something interesting... Infiltration on a much deeper level...
Someone voluntarily becomes a Yeerk nothlit, and works his/her way up the Yeerk chain of command, becoming more and more powerful...
Such a deep cover operation would have to be accompanied by many Animorph missions to take out key higher-ups in the Yeerk command... simultaneously opening opportunities and clearing obstructions in the path of the operative. Once the operative was placed high enough, they would be able to strike a bargain with both the human race, and possibly (but much less likely) the Andalites... to end the war...
Eli Cohen did that, although he was eventually publicly executed, he is probably the greatest spy of all time.
But become a yeerk (permanently) would be much more horrible than already unpleasant religious changes and difficult accent changes. It would be very easy to start sympathising with the yeerks: after all how much of your psychology is really your biology?

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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #82 on: October 26, 2009, 11:21:21 AM »
The ideal candidate for such a mission would be Cassie... Someone who already sympathizes with the Yeerks, but is motivated at the core to peace... Cassie was friendly enough to the Yeerks and she was on the other side... I can't see her turning into a ruthless Yeerk ruler and persecuting humans... (again, I could be wrong...)
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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #83 on: October 26, 2009, 09:38:10 PM »
Well yes and no:
If they already sympathise then they are easy to turn,
But sympathisers can act more easily (Like in the little drummer girl by John Le Carre)
But really the character in the little drummer girl (who was based off Vanessa Redgrave) was chosen more for her pre-existing contacts (and if you used someone who wasn't already sympathetic whom you could trust then the terrorists would be able to do a back ground check, so all of Vanessa Redgrave (I've forgotten the characters name) merits was not on her acting ability (given to her by her sympathies), but on the fact that she couldn't be traced back and had a few contacts and had attended a terrorist meetings (it's a complicated spy novel).
The heroine in the messenger by Daniel Silva has no such sympathies, but lacking links to the goodies she enters the terrorists circle unnoticed...
Having said that these are both novels,though the little drummer girl portrays the training of a honey trap quite accurately.
In real life Eli Cohen had no sympathies, was able to act perfectly, and was betrayed by outside forces beyond his control.
So what would be better:
Sympathetic acting but untrustworthy
or okay acting and trustworthy.

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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #84 on: October 26, 2009, 11:50:40 PM »
Regardless of her sympathies, Cassie would not turn against the Animorphs... because she desires peace above all... She doesn't want the war to continue... So she would try to do what's best for everyone... Which is exactly what her mission would be in the first place...
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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #85 on: November 13, 2009, 11:05:13 PM »
But as George Gilder says: wanting peace will make it ever more elusive, to achieve peace you must desire victory and peace will come from victory.
But though Cassie the human would never betray the animorphs (though Chad would disagree) Cassie trapped as a yeerk... perhaps the biology would cause the psychology that defines the yeerk brand of evil: the desire to control and use others, would take affect...

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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2009, 11:17:17 PM »
And I do disagree, because in fact she did. Twice. Books 19 and 50. and you can all say maybe she subconsciously knew something good would come of it, but she really wasn't thinking...at all.

Then again, maybe we just have different ideas of what betrayal is.


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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #87 on: November 13, 2009, 11:21:09 PM »
These were little betrayals and the author was on side, but as chad demonstrates Cassie has shown her fifth column/treacherous tendencies twice in canon, whose to say that being trapped forever in a repugnant yeerk body wouldn't exacerbate this tendency.

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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2009, 01:35:36 AM »
Then again, maybe we just have different ideas of what betrayal is.

Sort of... In my opinion, her betrayals in those books was evidence of exactly the tendencies that would make her ideal for the deep cover mission...
I don't know about the biology significantly affecting her psychology... Not all Yeerks had those tendencies... (peace movement, anyone?)

In other words, yes, she "turned against" the other animorphs... but that was in the interest of peace... As a yeerk, it could be said that she would "turn against" the yeerks (eventually, after rising to high office), in the interest of peace... Exactly the outcome we're looking for.
The goal is to take a potential hazard (like someone in your ranks who subverts your goals in the interest of peace) and throw it on the other side... If Cassie was a pain in the Animorphs "war effort", she'd be an even bigger pain in the Yeerk war effort...
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Re: If the yeerks were really invading...
« Reply #89 on: November 14, 2009, 02:23:39 AM »
I am not quite sure how to describe  this or articulate this properly, but the problem is the desire for peace-as opposed to victory. There a certain psychological and political (of which I fear Cassie is a member) type that is willing to side with tyrants to avoid further violence, the thing is violence is a part of humanity and it is an instrument not an end or a sin. a police officer or a soldier uses violence to further good. The Cassie's of the world most exemplified by Gandhi are willing to side with tyrants to prevent violence (I am talking about Gandhi's support Hitler here though his capitulation towards Muslims and his passive resistance are decreasing examples of the same thing). In a real life Yeerk invasion a Cassie, like the Vichy government of WW2 france, say 'the violence of resistance is worse than the suppression of foreign tyranny." Cassie might look at an increasingly violent human resistance movemment (and like the Mujahadein resistance to the Soviets which later transformed into the Taliban) would become increasingly fundamentalist and il-liberal (because fanntics are more willing to sacrifice civilians in order to win).... that is why the Cassie's of the world are untrustworthy.