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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2009, 01:40:00 PM »
I would rather see an animated show than a movie, but the problem is, animorphs is a pretty violent and bloody books so I doubt Cartoon Network would take it unless they put it in their Adult Swim slot(I wouldn't mind that actually) If it were live action than I'd rather have the "Heroes" or "Smallville" staff to work on it so the effects wouldn't be complete crap (like the original show, but let's not talk about that abomination)
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2009, 03:45:44 PM »
I would rather see an animated show than a movie, but the problem is, animorphs is a pretty violent and bloody books so I doubt Cartoon Network would take it unless they put it in their Adult Swim slot(I wouldn't mind that actually) If it were live action than I'd rather have the "Heroes" or "Smallville" staff to work on it so the effects wouldn't be complete crap (like the original show, but let's not talk about that abomination)

I can't believe you used 'Heroes' and 'Smallville' as examples of good shows. No offense to fans of any of those (I'm not trying to start a flame war), but they are borderline from 'OK' to 'SUCK'. I'm talking overall here, because neither of them has been consistently good throughout their run. It's the last thing I'd want if Animorphs was finally relaunched, whether on TV or as a movie. If you're strictly talking effects people only, then okay, but the writing staff on both of those shows can go to hell.

If I had to pick one show as an influence for a new Animorphs show, then I'd pick 'Battlestar Galactica'. Not only are all of the space battles and creature effects great, but many of the themes present on the show mirror those in Animorphs (guerrilla warfare, genocide, etc) plus a whole lot more than any sci-fi show I've ever seen touch upon.
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2009, 05:24:39 PM »
LOL this would be so much easier to reply to if I could use quotes(damn this bet)

well I've actually never seen Smallvile but I've seen its effects and they're pretty good for a TV show. lol and u not liking Heroes will trigger a war involving a good chunk of old RAFians (especially Claire) LOL but I didnt mean their writers just the effects specialists. KA would be the writer of course LOL. I've never seen Battlestar Galactica but honesty, just like smallvile, it seems really stupid
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2009, 05:42:32 PM »
Disclaimer: Ember acknowleges that her opinions are relevent mostly to her and does not expect anyone to take her fangirling seriously. =P

Generally speaking, I think, and have for a long time thought, that a cartoon would be better overall than a live-action show. (And <3 to the person who brought it up.)

For one thing, I don't think it'd be as sparkly marketed to the older audiences of Battlestar or Heroes. After all, Animorphs has always been about kids, rising to new expectations and fighting for their home and their families. It's about kids facing adult challenges, and that plotline generally works best when accessible to kids (not that I don't think there'd be plenty of adult fans, too, a la Avatar and other, similar cartoons). I therefore feel like a somewhat dark, but also somewhat light-hearted/comic/fun cartoon style, with more action and less shadowy personal gloom than live-action Sci-fi shows, would suit it more.
I've compared them before but again, I think of a Teen Titans cartoon style, only a little more realistic and a little darker, when I think of Animorphs. Or what Runaways would look like if it were animated.

As far as violence... I think a little blood- Jake limping away from battle with a red stripe or two down his side, for instance, rather than missing his foot and half his face as might be described in a book. =P- would prolly be fine. And there are plenty of cartoons/animated movies with some violence, whether shown and just kept mild (Mufasa from The Lion King getting trampled to death and yet managing to remain seemingly unbroken, or characters falling from cliffs/buildings and just never being seen to hit the ground) or implied but not shown (the villain from The Incredibles falling into an airplane's rotary blade). I think there'd be a way to keep the gore more-than-tasteful.

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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2009, 06:14:16 PM »
eh I guess that would work, it might be a good chance to bring Toonami(cartoon network time slot dedicated to anime and other types of action-y shows) back and bring Cartoon network back to it's original glory(I hate the utter crap it's turned into now)
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2009, 06:22:27 PM »
I've never seen Battlestar Galactica but honesty, just like smallvile, it seems really stupid

Trust me, it's anything but. I favour writing and characters over spectacle. BSG does both really well. Do yourself a favour and watch the Mini-Series. It's the pilot of the series.

Don't read any summaries for the show either. Just watch it. It's not a show you want to be spoiled on.

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2009, 09:40:09 PM »
Ive never watched BSG either, but i would prob like it if i did lol

I dont think the problem is that we didnt have enough merchandise, I think its that pretty much every old 80's/90's fandom thats getting the big budget treatment had some kind of adaptation while it was still around. Whether it was a tv series or comic book or whatever. Animorph's adaptation was super super lame and unsuccessful lol which makes filmmakers weary not only fearing that they will make an equally lame product but that people will associate the two and sales will suffer

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2009, 10:21:43 PM »
Okay so back on topic. I think their are going to be some changes to the movie I think they arn't going to go in an entirley different direction like they did with the show but it is definatly going to have to be different to keep up with the times. I think that all of us here at the RAF (not the royal air force) forget that the books were made in the 1990's and its been at least 13 years since the first book was written. I just hope they keep the characters right I mean in the tv show Rachel was not even the slightist bit aggressive (personaly I think the reasons they didn't give her a temper were sexist and conservative) and Ax not to appear that retarded (I am not using this adjective to mean stupid. I mean retarded.) Later in the book he is an advanced alien after all. Also I think they are going to have trouble deciding the age of the characters. In book 53 Jake says that he has been fighting the yeerks since thirteen. In the tv show they are already in high school.
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2009, 10:23:35 PM »
bsg is my new favorite show of all time

and

michael grant lists bsg as one of his favorite shows on his myspace

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but yeah I agree, an animated series would be sweet. Animation is a medium, remember, not a genre, and you can do some pretty awesome, adult, dark stuff with it. But at this point in the fandom's life, I will take whatever I can get, even if they're just some graphic novels or something.
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2009, 10:29:46 PM »
Okay so back on topic. I think their are going to be some changes to the movie I think they arn't going to go in an entirley different direction like they did with the show but it is definatly going to have to be different to keep up with the times. I think that all of us here at the RAF (not the royal air force) forget that the books were made in the 1990's and its been at least 13 years since the first book was written. I just hope they keep the characters right I mean in the tv show Rachel was not even the slightist bit aggressive (personaly I think the reasons they didn't give her a temper were sexist and conservative) and Ax not to appear that retarded (I am not using this adjective to mean stupid. I mean retarded.) Later in the book he is an advanced alien after all. Also I think they are going to have trouble deciding the age of the characters. In book 53 Jake says that he has been fighting the yeerks since thirteen. In the tv show they are already in high school.

I think the main problem with the TV show was the budget. I can think of a cash-money reason for pretty much every gripe I had with the TV show (except that disk...why did you add the disk?) Rachel was more submissive, not because of chauvinism, but because sticking forks in people's ears is an effect that costs money, and the actress portraying her was really no good, which probably meant she was cheap. Same goes with Ax--portraying Ax's naive misunderstandings about humanity and food addiction are cheap. Portraying Ax the awesome Andalite that can kill a Tyrannosaurus Rex is not. Remember his showdown with Visser Three in that one episode? How they like...arm wrestled? God I am still cringing from second-hand embarrassment.

ANYWAY THE POINT IS...well, I have no idea how much animation costs compared to live action, but I assume drawing any one thing is just as expensive as drawing any other. Animating action sequences is probably more costly than animating dialogue, since you can probably just photocopy people sitting still and animate their mouths, but that's okay since 80% of any one book was the Animorphs standing/flying around figuring out what was going on.

This is a rather long-winded way to say: Yes. Without the budget, animation is the only feasible way to portray this series.
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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2009, 10:42:39 PM »
You cant really bring all the shows problems back to budgets

"sticking forks in people's ears is an effect that costs money" they could save money and use a plastic fork...

The real problem was they dumbed it down for kids and made it just a silly kids vs aliens gooftroop and didnt delve into any of the deeper issues that really wouldnt have cost any money

but thats not what we're talking about lol

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2009, 12:25:25 AM »
in before AtlA

But seriously, they should do an Animorphs cartoon modeled on that.

GN would be cool as well (speaking of which, whatever happened to that project...)

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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2009, 11:36:41 AM »
You cant really bring all the shows problems back to budgets

"sticking forks in people's ears is an effect that costs money" they could save money and use a plastic fork...

The real problem was they dumbed it down for kids and made it just a silly kids vs aliens gooftroop and didnt delve into any of the deeper issues that really wouldnt have cost any money

but thats not what we're talking about lol

lol omg

well don't forget, anything good is going to cost more, including good writing. they wasted all of their money on live animals.
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2009, 12:39:55 PM »
Ahem . . .
Disclaimer: The following is strictly point of view, if I happen to insult a cartoon you like I'm just stating how I feel about its animation style unless specifically noted otherwise, you can go right on ahead liking it because I don't actually care.

Moving on . . .

I'm rooting for Animorphs the Anime the golden age of cartoons with nice action, plot/character development, and good animation quality for their time like Batman, Gargolyes, X-Men and Exosquad (Wingcommander, though no one agrees with me there) are gone and dead, Avatar tried to give them a comeback and it was pretty much like one of those scenes where one guy stands up to lead a charge and no one follows him. Oh, and it was kind of sort of semi-cancled because Spongebob is cheaper, more addictive to kids, and did I mention always freakin' on!?

We're reduced to the likes of Transformers Animated which I hate with a passion, Total Drama Island, which is the sort of thing a college kid could animate on a weekend, that barnyard thing, and other trash like that, mind you I'm talking about animation quality and alleged style, not to how good these shows may or may not be plotwise (not that TFA has one) wheras with Anime yeah you get some utter trash too but you also get some really fantastic stuff, like Record of Lodoss War, Robotech, ZOIDs, Blood: The Last Vampire or Cowboy BeBop, heck even DBZ which mostly consisted of powering up and speed lines to indicate where a fist probably is but is moving to quick to see.

For Animorphs to be treated decently it's going to need to be an anime because cartoons kind of stopped trying when Sailor Moon and DBZ came in to kick down their sand castles and steal their ratings. For that to happen someone in Japan would have to somehow get the rights to it, start it up and get enough of a viewing audience that it gets to the states, which . . . well, honestly, probably won't happen, so we're stuck with live action, bad animation, or 3D animation (like said barnyard thingy, or Clone Wars) which would make it too high budget and thus too high risk if it didn't blow Spongebob out of the water in exactly the way that Avatar didn't, and given how utterly braindead most kids today are, I don't see anything with a plot keeping them entertained, I've lost far too much faith in humanity.

Kids today don't want to watch war stories or see character development, or see tragic romances about hawks and teen idols, they dont want to think of the morality behind life and death decisions, if there's action they just want action, if there's humor they only want really simple humor, if there's plot it had better be restrained to a single epsidoe they can easily skip. They want bright flashing colors, lack of anything remotely inteligent, characters who are clearly dumber than they are.

The exceptions . . . well, they read books so they'd be all set with the Animorphs book series.

Even educational shows are getting dumber, look at Dora the Explorer . . . for starters no kid I know actually remembers the spanish they learn from that show for more than a flippin' hour, and she seems to demand common sense rather than brain straining. "Which shape is freakin' glowing kids?! Which shape is surrounded by light!? Guessed yet? Huh? HUH!? Well let's just stand here fore ten seconds while I let you figure it out! Come on, which one's glowing!?!? Just in case you guessed wrong I'm going to tell you, then pretend you got it right, you stupid little pile of stunted growth!! Pay my studio money! Do it now! Buy my dolls! Buy theeeem!"

It's great for self esteem I guess . . . my little brother is always so thrilled with himself when if guesses right . . . nevermind that he's like eight years old by now, knows what a square is, and still doesnt speak a word of spanish beyond "hola", "amigo" and "uno". Anyway animation just keeps going downhill, its like when Dumbledore says we can choose between what's right and what's easy, the studios keep picking what's easy and nothing new gets made, when it does it's just the same as the current crap but with a different face, characters named differently, same boring tale.

. . . then you go to Anime and you've got chicks in short skirts with abnormally large chests and thin waists sure, but you've also got more proportionally correct vampire girls in skirts that, miraculously actually go past their knees chopping demons in half with swords in exactly the way Buffy wishes she could, giant robots beating the crap out of each other, people, sometimes main characters dying, main characters actually learning things, subtlety and . . . so many cat girls you can tell they're just waiting to get their hands on morphing technology!

I grant you sometimes Anime is uber repetitive too, i.e. Tenchi, Ranma, whatever the crap all about one mildly attractive teenage guy with martial arts ability very noticibly not acting like a real teenage guy and taking advantage of the large number of unrealistically eager girls who apparently don't notice all the other guys in the series, shows like Robotech, Zoids, Gundam (feel my hatred!) Big O, all about giant robots who don't like other giant robots, Pokemon, Digimon, Monster Rancher, all about kids nobody seems to be supervising enslaving little monsters and making them battle for their amusement, the difference is when compared to the utter sameness of the current US lineup, which is about five different shows about idiotic main characters who prance about showing off their lack of intellect, three shows that are pale imitations of the shows they're supposedly remaking, and two shows about some kid who turns into like fifteen aliens and hangs out with his cousin because none of the writers can in good concience pretend someone likes him enough to be his friend, giant robots fighting, men with actual restraint and monsters beating the snot out of each other actually sounds worthwhile!

Or maybe I'm getting too old, maybe I just can't let go of the past . . . but then that's probably because shows with stories, characters you can relate to rather than feel superior to, and all that, actually demand enough of an emotional response to be worth remembering in my old age. I expect nothing less from an Animorphs movie, or an animorphs TV seriers, sadly I don't think the people with the power to make it happen actually . . . hmm, what's the word . . . oh yes "care"
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Re: More Movie News!!! Well...kinda...not really
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2009, 12:51:28 PM »
That was a very good post, JFalcon. It's true that Disney is dead, and American cartoons are just never going to be the same again. Now I would like Animorphs to be American made, just for the fact that the setting is in California. However, it will likely need to be made in Japan in order to do justice to the books. It does need to be animated, and the best animation nowadays is Japanese. Or thereabouts. I think Avatar is made mostly in Korea.


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