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David
« on: May 06, 2009, 10:31:34 PM »
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Re: David
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 06:40:23 AM »
David is a great foil to the Animorphs, especially Jake and Rachel and, to an extent, Marco. He shows how easily Elfangor's trustworthiness and desperation could have gone terribly wrong and he brings out the dark side in just about all of the Ani's. The trilogy is a turning point for the entire series, I think. It's the point of no return.

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Re: David
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 07:10:37 AM »
I loved the David Trilogy. As Terenia said, it shows how easily Elfangor's gift could have been twisted into something terrible, and it shows a darker side of the group, especially Rachel.

It also had an impact on the rest of the series, as they obtained the blue box but (due to David's actions) decided against recruiting more Animorphs (at least until right near the end).
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Re: David
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 07:22:59 AM »
To me, personally it showed how deep and truly evil, the animorphs can be at times, that series when I first read it, gave me chills and made my heart almost stop

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Re: David
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 07:27:48 AM »
I am gonig to post my favorite part of the book here, it really shows how evil Rachel and Dadvid really are, Book 22 the solution:

Tobias was alive.
It turned out that David had killed a red-tailed hawk. And Jake had seen
that dead hawk. Only it was a different red-tail.
Tobias had simply lost David early in the evening and had been searching
for him ever since.
Jake survived. Cassie found a way to jab a big syringe of adrenaline
into him. Enough to wake him up just as her mom was scrubbing up for
surgery back at The Gardens.
He demorphed to human and calmly walked out of the zoo. He had to wait
two hours for a city bus, but fortunately, Cassie found him a pair of
shoes to wear.
Cassie's mother was seriously freaked. Not only had a near-dead tiger
simply disappeared. He seemed to have reappeared back in his
environment. And there were no signs of any injuries.
Cassie explained that she did a lot of shrugging and kept saying, "I
can't believe it, either, Mom. I was only out of the room for a second."
Of course, that tiger was the one whose DNA Jake had originally
acquired. Same tiger, but not the same tiger.
Ax was fine. He'd only been stunned. He demorphed, terrified some person
driving by, remorphed, and came looking for me.
As for Marco . . .well, Marco awakened to find David standing over him
with the baseball bat. He'd been tied up and locked in his closet.
It took him the rest of the night to get loose.
It had been a bizarre night. But the most bizarre thing was that when it
was all over, we had to go to school.
That's right, school. On zero hours of sleep.
I was so tired my skin was vibrating. I couldn't believe I hadn't been
busted by my mom. I got home that morning just about three seconds
before my alarm clock went off. And five minutes later she was banging
on my door, telling me to get up and help her get my youngest sister,
Sarah, ready for school.
The first few periods I just sat and stared at
the blackboard like someone in a coma. By lunchtime I was reviving a
little, but it was mostly hunger keeping me awake.
I sat with Cassie. She'd probably gotten three, maybe four hours of
sleep. And I hated her for it. Jake grabbed his tray and sat down with
us. Normally, we don't all eat together because we don't want people
thinking of us as a clique of some kind. That would be bad for security.
But this time we just didn't care. We were a very tired little group of
superheroes. I mean, if Visser Three could have seen us right then, he'd
have stopped worrying. We didn't look like we could kick butt on a
four-year-old, let alone on the entire Yeerk Empire.
"Hi," Jake said and slumped into his seat.
"Uh," I grunted.
"How are you doing, Jake?" Cassie asked.
"Uh," he said encouragingly.
"Well, this is going to be a perky little group," Cassie said, laughing.
"Obviously, we need a Starbucks here in the cafeteria. You two could use
some coffee."
"Stop. Talking," I said. I snarled a little. I would have snarled more,
but I was too tired.
Of course, Cassie wasn't in the least bit intimidated. "You're so grumpy
when you lose a Iittle sleep."
We saw Marco heading toward us. He had no tray. But he was smiling.
Well, sure, why not? He'd slept half the night and spent the rest of the
night in a nice dark closet.
"Hi, guys, how's it going?" Marco said. He swung his leg over the back
of the chair and sat down. Tired as I was, that set alarm bells ringing
in my head. Marco doesn't swing his leg over chairs. And Marco doesn't
act that perky, even when he's had a full night of sleep.
I guess Jake had the same reaction. I glanced at him, and all of a
sudden his eyes weren't glazed and unfocused anymore.
"David, I presume," Jake said harshly.
Marco smiled. And then I saw Marco - another Marco, just starting
through the food line.
Cassie was bewildered. She looked from Jake to me. I nodded my head
significantly toward the real Marco.
"I'll stop him," Cassie said, jumping up from her seat.
The last thing anyone wanted was two Marcos at one table. There was a
joke in there somewhere, but I was too busy to think about it.
"What do you want?" Jake demanded.
David/Marco smirked. "What? No small talk? No chitchat?"
I couldn't morph, not there in front of a whole
cafeteria full of yelling, laughing, talking kids. But I could reach
for my fork. And I could wonder what the tines would do if they were
driven hard enough into - I held on to the fork.
"I asked what you want," Jake said calmly.
"I want the blue box. I found it. It's mine. I want it."
Jake actually smiled. "Now, what do you think the odds are of me
agreeing to that?"
Marco/David flushed angrily. "You have no choice, big man. You can't
fight me. I have the same powers you have. And I'm smarter than you are,
so I'll win."
"There are six ... I mean, five... of us," Jake said.
I shot Jake a look. He ignored me. I got the message: No need to tell
David that Tobias had survived. The less he knew, the better.
"I want the box," David said stubbornly.
"What for?" I said. "So you can give it as a birthday present to Visser
Three?"
Cassie came back and sat down next to David. She managed to move her
chair closer to his without being obvious about it. It was deliberate,
of course. She wanted him to have to deal with her as a human being, not
as an enemy.
David blinked. He leaned away from Cassie. Cassie just gave him her big
"understanding" look.
"David, I know you've been through a lot,"
Cassie said in a very quiet voice. David had to lean closer to hear.
"I know your life has gone terribly wrong. I know you're lonely. I know
you're afraid. And I know that deep down inside you feel very sorry for
what happened last night. But you must know that you cannot bargain with
Visser Three. He won't give you what you want."
David shot her a sharp, surprised look. So did I.
"What bargain?" I asked.
Cassie took a forkful of her food and chewed it carefully. "Shall I tell
them, David, or would you like to?" Getting no answer from him, she
sighed and said, "David wants the box so he can ransom his parents.
Isn't that right, David? You want Visser Three to release your parents
so you can have a home again."
For a brief moment there was something vulnerable on the face David had
copied from Marco. But then his eyes hardened.
"That's okay, I don't need the box. I have something else Visser Three
wants. See, I know that the Animorphs aren't Andalite bandits. I know
their names. Their addresses. I give him you," he said, looking at Jake.
"And you," he added, looking at me. "And then, you know what? He can do
to you like he did to my parents. And he can get his blue box from you."
David pushed his chair back noisily. He stood up and walked away.
David walked away. The real Marco headed toward us, looking about like I
felt.
I got up.
"Rachel, what are you doing?" Cassie asked. She put out a hand to grab
my arm.
But Jake said, "Let her go."
I followed David's back as he wove through the kids just coming in. In
the empty hallway outside, David began to change subtly. He was
demorphing. By the time he reached the door to the quad, he was himself
again. He must have been close to the two-hour limit to risk it.
I caught up with him as he started to trot across the grass. I grabbed
his shoulder and
spun him around. I was keyed up, throbbing with barely contained rage.
"You looking for a fight right here?" he asked.
"Why not?" I snapped.
He laughed, a little uncertainly. "You would never morph here in the open."
"I don't need a morph to handle you."
"You know, maybe you forget this sometimes, but you are a girl, Rachel."
"And you're a worm," I shot back. "Want to see who wins that fight?"
"Pretty upset over that Bird-boy, aren't you? What, did you like him or
something?" He grinned. "That's it, isn't it? Aww, how sweet. Too bad.
But you know, birds have a short life span."
"So do worms."
"What are you doing? Trying to scare me?"
"Nah. I wouldn't want to scare you. I just want to tell you something.
You rat us out to Visser Three, we'll know. We have sources inside the
Yeerk organization."
He made a snorting noise. "Yeah, right."
"How do you think we knew the Yeerks were moving against the President
and the others? How do you think we learned that one of those heads of
state was a Controller?"
David looked a little less ****y. I could see the wheels turning in his
head as he realized I
was telling the truth. We hadn't told David about Erek and the other
Chee.
"So see, you sell us out to Visser Three, we will know," I said.
He shrugged. "Big deal. Nothing you can do about it."
"Yeah, you're probably right," I said. "Even if we were warned, we
wouldn't last long." I leaned close, close enough to whisper in his ear.
"But some of us would last a while, you little creep. Long enough to
make sure that your parents . . . well, use your imagination."
He stepped back, drew back his fist, and swung on me. I dodged the blow.
I grabbed his head with one arm and jammed the fork against his ear.
I fought a nauseating urge to twist the fork, to make him scream in pain.
"You want a war between you and us, that's one thing. We'll play that
out," I said. "But you try and sell us out to Visser Three, and your
little family will never get put back together again. Never!"
This time I was the one to turn and walk away.
I was shaking. The muscles in my neck were twitching. Suddenly I had a
raging headache. My ears were ringing.
I was exhausted, yes. But it was more than
that. I was high on adrenaline. High on the rush of power and violence.
What had I just done? In all the time we'd been fighting the Yeerks, I'd
never made a threat like that. What was the matter with me?
I felt... not exactly ashamed. But I knew I never wanted to talk to
Cassie about what I'd just told David. Or Tobias. Or even Marco.
And as for Jake, I found myself filled with a terrifying surge of pure,
utter hatred for him. I couldn't begin to explain it. But I swear at
that moment I hated Jake far more than I did David.
I should have gone back to the cafeteria. I should have told them all
what had happened. But Jake already knew, didn't he? Jake, the smart,
determined leader, already knew all about me.
And I couldn't face him. I couldn't face what he knew about me.
Jake's parents came back that evening. They'd been out of town helping
with a cousin of Jake's and mine. The cousin's name was Saddler. He was
an obnoxious kid, but he'd been badly hurt in an accident. Now he was
being moved to the children's hospital near us.
His relatives were staying with Jake and his family. But we were
expected to help out, too, even though my mom hasn't really gotten along
with Saddler's family since my parents' divorce.
I was informed of all this when I got home from school. I said "fine"
and staggered up to my bed, hit the pillow facedown, and didn't move.
But as tired as I was, sleep wouldn't come. It was a helpless
feeling. Being so exhausted and so unable to sleep.
My brain kept buzzing away, like I'd consumed six pots of coffee or
something.
I kept wondering: Had I always been like this? Back before the
Animorphs, back before that encounter with a dying alien who changed our
lives, who had I been?
I tried to remember, but it wasn't like I was thinking about myself. It
was like I was remembering some girl I used to know. Like she was an
acquaintance I'd forgotten about until someone reminded me. It was like,
"Oh, yeah, Rachel. I remember her."
I'd been very into gymnastics, I knew that. Shopping. I guess I'd never
exactly been a happy-go-lucky party girl. But I tried to imagine myself
back then, and tried to imagine grinding the tines of a fork into
someone's ear while I threatened his family.
I almost laughed. It was crazy. I mean, I'm not someone raised in an
abusive family or anything. Yeah, my folks got divorced, but probably a
third of the kids in school have divorced parents, and another third
wish their parents would divorce.
I'd never had to wonder if my parents loved
me. I knew they did. They told me. And they showed me.
I wasn't on drugs or anything. But somehow, someway, I had gone from
being this occasionally sharp-tongued girl, to being . . . well, as
Marco would say, Xena: Warrior Princess.
What made me feel stupid was that I hadn't realized I was changing. But
everyone else obviously did. Jake did. When he knew it was coming down
to kill-or-be-killed with David, he'd sent Ax to get me. Not Marco. Not
Cassie. "Get Rachel."
And in the cafeteria he had let me go, knowing what I would do.
Afterward, I'd seen Cassie in sixth period. She didn't ask me what had
happened. She didn't ask me what I'd said to David. She'd known.
I could have said, "Look at all the battles I've been through." It would
have been a good excuse. Except that Cassie'd gone through the same
battles. And Marco. And Tobias.
Would Tobias have done what I did? That was the killer question, see.
Because Tobias lived life as a predator now. He'd have every excuse in
the world. But I wondered if even he would have gone as far as I'd gone.
And, I wondered something else. What if David ignored my threat? Would I
... could I ...
"Rachel! Phone! What are you, deaf?"
I jerked upright. It was dark outside my window. "What?" I asked for
no particular reason.
Jordan, my younger sister, stuck her head into the room. "It's Jake.
He's on the phone."
I sat up. My head was buzzing. I rolled over and grabbed the phone.
"Yeah?" I said, pushing my hair more or less into place.
"It's time," Jake said. "That little extra-credit project we've been
working on. It's time for us to give it another shot."
"Oh. Yeah. I'll be right over. Soon as I, you know."
Man, I was stupid from lack of sleep. We still had a mission. We'd
failed yesterday evening and had almost been trapped by Visser Three.
Yesterday? Had it really only been yesterday? It seemed impossible, with
all that had gone on.
I splashed cold water on my face and ran a comb through my hair. Then I
went downstairs to face my mom and try to think up a good excuse why I
had to go over to Cassie's house.
"Rachel!" my mother said as she spotted me coming down the stairs.
"Good. I need you to watch Sarah. I'm going over to the hospital to be
with Saddler's mom and dad."
I was about halfway ready to say, "Fine. That sure beats trying yet
again to bust into some heavily guarded compound and getting our brains
beat in."
But that wouldn't do. "You want me to babysit for Sarah and Jordan?"
"No one baby-sits me!" Jordan said hotly.
"Oh, yeah?" I mocked. "You are either the baby-sitter or the
baby-sittee. And you are a baby-sittee."
"Mom! No way! I can take care of Sarah!" Jordan protested.
"Come on, little babies," I added for good measure.
Well, you can guess where it went from there. Ten minutes later I was
out the door. And ten minutes after that I was demorphing inside
Cassie's barn.
Everyone else was already there. Ax, Tobias, Jake, Cassie, and Marco. At
least, I assumed it was Marco and not David in morph.
"Marco," I said, once I had demorphed. "You know you're a toad?"
"Kiss me and I'll become a prince," he said without hesitation. "I'll be
The Prince Formerly Known As Toad. You know you want me. You can't help
it. After all, you're a female and I'm ... well, I'm me."
"Yeah, that's the real Marco," I said dryly.
Cassie laughed. "Believe me, we all did the same kind of thing. I asked
him to tell me what it was like when we morphed trout. Just to test his
memory."
"And I answered that it wasn't bad except that the cracker-crumb
coating chafed a little and I was allergic to tartar sauce. Now can you
all stop playing that game? I'm afraid I'll miss a punch line and Rachel
will morph to grizzly and eat me before I have a chance to say anything."
"Okay, down to business," Jake said. He sent Ax a significant look and
jerked his head toward me.
<Prince Jake would like me to tell you that we are operating under the
assumption that David may be here in the barn,> Ax said in private
thought-speak. <He is concerned that David may be here in insect morph,
listening to our plans. So our plans will be different than we are
discussing here.>
I gave a very slight nod. Of course. I'd forgotten. David was one of us,
at least in terms of his powers. But Jake hadn't forgotten.
Jake outlined a plan that was basically the same as our previous attempt
to infiltrate the banquet at the resort. There were differences, just so
it would sound convincing. And we all raised various objections, just to
sound even more convincing.
But it wasn't till we were morphed and flying away that Jake told me
what he really had in mind.
<0h, Rachel's gonna love this,> Marco said with a laugh.
He was right. The plan was outrageous, insane, out of control, and violent.
And heaven help me, I liked it.

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Re: David
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 11:15:01 AM »
Damn. I forgot how powerful that part really is. What is amazing about the David trilogy is that they're so full of action, yet they have some of the most characterization of any book. K. A. wins.

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Re: David
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 11:21:09 AM »
simply put, David represented a slope that any of them

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Re: David
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 11:26:22 AM »
I'm not sympathetic toward David, no matter what his fate was at the end of this or later, but he is a terribly compelling character.
I think everyone reading this series wanted to be an Animorph at some point or another, and then they give you a new kid and make him evil.
Now I was like, 10 when I read the triology, of course I thought he was sick and wrong; but rereading it just a few years later I can't say I wouldn't be tempted. To have that power, and still toe the line seems more than difficult.
He was a great character to pit with Ani's, he drew some very deep stuff out of them.
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Re: David
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 12:30:43 PM »
i think david should have been a regular villain, or at least in more than 4 books, one of which was just god-awful.
he was an awesome villain, he's like the venom to their spiderman.
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Re: David
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 12:32:29 PM »
He is the representation of what could have easily gone wrong. Of course, he was a messed up kid who got screwed over by the Yeerks, and his friends were too focused on the most important mission in their efforts so far to focus on him. So the odds were heavily against him.

I think he would have made a great villain. He could have returned in book 27 with help from Crayak, and fought the Anis and Yeerks. I'm not sure how I would have it end with him, though. Heel face turn, heroic sacrfice, or some other way.
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Re: David
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 03:10:28 PM »
Yeah after reading it the first time when it came out i was all worried the series was going to end at the time . than teh end made me all ok so it wont end.
Second time i read it I got mad at Tobias for not just taking the cube from the window when he saw it.

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Re: David
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 04:23:35 PM »
He is the representation of what could have easily gone wrong. Of course, he was a messed up kid who got screwed over by the Yeerks, and his friends were too focused on the most important mission in their efforts so far to focus on him. So the odds were heavily against him.

I think he would have made a great villain. He could have returned in book 27 with help from Crayak, and fought the Anis and Yeerks. I'm not sure how I would have it end with him, though. Heel face turn, heroic sacrfice, or some other way.

I agree with this post, and fully support the idea of David leading six Howlers against the Animorphs+Ax+Erek on the Iskoort homeworld... although the idea of David making a heel-face turn or heroic sacrifice in-canon... I can't back it. I'd rather see him go ahead and die standing up for himself against the Animorphs... after all, he is who he is. I don't like the idea of him becoming someone entirely different so the ends could be tied up neatly...

Anywho. I've contemplated David in the past. *goes to find her post!*

Here we go:

...I still feel bad for David. Maybe I'm just such an antagonist fangirl, but I do sort of understand why he did what he did. The first five books of the Animorphs, (and the eighth) after all, are all all about how the Animorphs each have their own motivations for fighting the war- Jake fights for his brother, Rachel fights for the families that are being torn apart by the Yeerks (made more poingnant by the way her own family is crumbling/has crumbled), Tobias fights to keep his humanity, Cassie fights to keep the Yeerks from destroying the "useless" plants and animals on Earth, Marco fights for his mother, and Ax fights to fulfill the promise he made to avenge Elfangor. David has no friends- his family moves around a lot and he doesn't know anyone in Santa Barbara. All he has in the world are his parents (both gone, and in #20, if I remember correctly (and appologies if I haven't! ^^()) no one talks to David about saving them or how they're not gone forever) and his pets, both presumed dead. He has no one to fight for but himself, and so he is his number one priority.

Keeping in mind, of course, that the others (especially Marco) promise to help Jake bring Tom back. Initially, Marco only joins the fight to help Jake get Tom back. Once everyone's level on the fact that Marco's mom's Visser 1, they all promise to help bring her back. As far as David can see, these self-righteous kids have something the Yeerks want, a bargaining chip for getting his parents, and his whole world, back- and they aren't willing to even half-pretend to consider helping him. (Of course, they were right not to give the Yeerks the Escafil! But really, I can see where it might make an already troubled kid kind of bitter.)

This makes him act in less-than-desirable ways, true, but I don't think it was psychosis or anything that caused him to act in these ways. After all, all the Animorphs talked about using their morphs to sneak into paid events/steal/do whatever other self-serving things. They rarely did them, but they had power and they were tempted to use it to better their own lives. They didn't, because they had a sense of responsibility, and they used it to fight in the war because they had something to fight for. David had a sense of entitlement and nothing to fight for. He did what he felt he needed to do.

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Re: David
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 11:56:57 PM »
I love your sig :)

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Re: David
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2009, 06:36:02 AM »
I love your sig :)

What about the other David book, The Return? Comments?

The Return was a terrible book with a beautiful ending. It is still one of my favorites, only because the last chapter exists. It's the last big turning point for Rachel's character, to me.

Other than that last chapter, though, the book was....odd.

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Re: David
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 07:12:30 AM »
I didn't really like the Return either. Partly because I felt it was wasted potential for David, and partly because it showed Rachel in a light that I really didn't feel was true to her character. Rachel has a dark side, but she's far from being a monster.


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