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Offline wolfev

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Something odd
« on: June 13, 2008, 02:20:01 PM »
Why in the capture does Jake kill a whole bunch of Yeerks in a hot tub without mercy, but then in book 21 say he isn't ok with killing defenseless Yeerks?
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2008, 02:45:38 PM »
And then in book 54, when he dumps 17,000 yearks from the pool ship. Originally I'd say he changed and grew to think of Yeerks more like people, but then he dumps the Yeerks like that in 54.

So I have no answer. I guess Jake changed back and forth.
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2008, 08:58:28 PM »
Well, Jake felt "bad" when he killed about a few Yeerks in that Pool. There were only a few Yeerks there at the time, possibly for the governor and any other bodyguard with him. The Yeerk in his head pointed out that, Jake wasn't comfortable about that, but it was the only way to stop the governor-infestation plan.

In book 21 and book 54, he felt a lot of remorse because he just killed, KILLED, without any reason. In book 6, killing those Yeerks was necessary. In book 54, he hoped it would distract Visser One and let the auxiliaries and Rachel live. Which didn't happen. Those Yeerk lives just vanished for nothing. That's why he felt a lot of guilt.

Jake didn't want to do it from the start, in book 6, he just had to.
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2008, 03:30:45 AM »
not really. in #6 the yeerks could've just replaced the yeerks in the pool like jake figured they would in #21...
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 01:40:21 AM »
It had to do with how he was dealing with the war and how the group viewed the Yeerks.

#6:  He was still young, not very experienced, and suffered no ill effects from the war yet.  He was eliminating the enemy.  Nothing more.  In fact, if I remember right, he was pretty gleeful about "boiling some slugs."

#21:  The peace movement is underway.  Jake knows that there are some Yeerks out there that truly want a way out.  He's also deep in enemy territory, didn't want anyone to know that he had been there, and David was with him at the time.  I'm guessing he didn't want to leave evidence that they had been there, stacked on top of not wanting to look like a barbarian in front of the new guy as well.

#53:  Fatigued, exhausted, and resentful, he wanted to prove that he would do anything it took to win.  He was sick of war, sick of the responsibility and stress, and just wanted it over.  It was more of a desperation move than anything.

Hope that helps!
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 04:15:10 AM »
Yep.  Jake grew up.
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 04:24:37 AM »
All on his own. Aww, I'm so proud.

Each decision showed a different Jake, one that was maturing. He went from Naive, to remorseful and understanding, to complete war veteran.
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 11:14:02 AM »
Quote from: Raskipper on September 01, 2008, 01:40:21 AM
It had to do with how he was dealing with the war and how the group viewed the Yeerks.

#6:  He was still young, not very experienced, and suffered no ill effects from the war yet.  He was eliminating the enemy.  Nothing more.  In fact, if I remember right, he was pretty gleeful about "boiling some slugs."

#21:  The peace movement is underway.  Jake knows that there are some Yeerks out there that truly want a way out.  He's also deep in enemy territory, didn't want anyone to know that he had been there, and David was with him at the time.  I'm guessing he didn't want to leave evidence that they had been there, stacked on top of not wanting to look like a barbarian in front of the new guy as well.

#53:  Fatigued, exhausted, and resentful, he wanted to prove that he would do anything it took to win.  He was sick of war, sick of the responsibility and stress, and just wanted it over.  It was more of a desperation move than anything.

Hope that helps!

Very well said.
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 04:36:41 PM »
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Why in the capture does Jake kill a whole bunch of Yeerks in a hot tub without mercy, but then in book 21 say he isn't ok with killing defenseless Yeerks?

Cassie's story about Aftran got to him?

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And then in book 54, when he dumps 17,000 yearks from the pool ship. Originally I'd say he changed and grew to think of Yeerks more like people, but then he dumps the Yeerks like that in 54.

Like the other user said, resentment and fatigue.
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 01:46:44 PM »
 Yeah, I think he understood the Yeerks better. I guess they had human traits after all? And he knew about the Peace Movement?
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 03:22:55 PM »
Quote from: Raskipper on September 01, 2008, 01:40:21 AM
It had to do with how he was dealing with the war and how the group viewed the Yeerks.

#6:  He was still young, not very experienced, and suffered no ill effects from the war yet.  He was eliminating the enemy.  Nothing more.  In fact, if I remember right, he was pretty gleeful about "boiling some slugs."

#21:  The peace movement is underway.  Jake knows that there are some Yeerks out there that truly want a way out.  He's also deep in enemy territory, didn't want anyone to know that he had been there, and David was with him at the time.  I'm guessing he didn't want to leave evidence that they had been there, stacked on top of not wanting to look like a barbarian in front of the new guy as well.

#53:  Fatigued, exhausted, and resentful, he wanted to prove that he would do anything it took to win.  He was sick of war, sick of the responsibility and stress, and just wanted it over.  It was more of a desperation move than anything.

Hope that helps!

I agree mostly.  He didn't really need to flush the Yeerks to win...I don't think he thought about it either way really.  He figured: "flush the yeerks, yes or no?", decided yes, and didn't really bother think about it.
Maybe I'm wrong but I would call it disregard.  Of course all the things Raskipper said probably had to do with it too...
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 07:34:20 AM »
Quote from: Raskipper on September 01, 2008, 01:40:21 AM
It had to do with how he was dealing with the war and how the group viewed the Yeerks.

#6:  He was still young, not very experienced, and suffered no ill effects from the war yet.  He was eliminating the enemy.  Nothing more.  In fact, if I remember right, he was pretty gleeful about "boiling some slugs."

#21:  The peace movement is underway.  Jake knows that there are some Yeerks out there that truly want a way out.  He's also deep in enemy territory, didn't want anyone to know that he had been there, and David was with him at the time.  I'm guessing he didn't want to leave evidence that they had been there, stacked on top of not wanting to look like a barbarian in front of the new guy as well.

#53:  Fatigued, exhausted, and resentful, he wanted to prove that he would do anything it took to win.  He was sick of war, sick of the responsibility and stress, and just wanted it over.  It was more of a desperation move than anything...

Quote from: filmstu2005 on September 01, 2008, 04:24:37 AM
...Each decision showed a different Jake, one that was maturing. He went from Naive, to remorseful and understanding, to complete war veteran.

I really like your Jake-descriptions as he ascended upon the series there! Totally agreed on Jake maturing and altering his choices. You can even tell this by the narration tones. The Jake from Book 1 is c-o-mp-l-e-t-e-l-y different from the Jake in the last few books. And no one can blame him!!!
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 08:39:25 AM »
not that it matters, but when you were spelling completely, you forgot a hyphen between m and p.
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 10:37:51 AM »
hahaa...you posted for that? lol
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Re: Something odd
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 10:49:15 AM »
Quote from: Azguard on September 02, 2008, 01:46:44 PM
Yeah, I think he understood the Yeerks better. I guess they had human traits after all? And he knew about the Peace Movement?

I thought the Animorphs didn't find out about the Peace Movement until book 29. I mean, there was a minor mention when Cassie spoke with Aftran, but I'm not sure if that really stuck with all of them the way it did with Cassie.
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