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Offline Hylian Dan

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The stories we grow up with
« on: April 06, 2009, 11:41:40 PM »
Here's a quote from another article I was just reading. The bolded part is what I want to draw your attention towards, the rest is there for context:

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The first time that I played the game, I didn’t fully comprehend these emotions and why I felt them. It is only with multiple play-throughs and another near-decade of maturity that it all makes sense. Majora’s Mask may be rated for everyone, but I think that it is a game that is most interesting and rewarding to the mature gamer. The games that are rated as mature are filled with things that are only of interest to the immature. Who cares about blood? Who cares about sex and titillation? Sure, they can be used to make a mature artistic statement, but most of the time they aren’t. These things are usually thrown in by snickering developers and are of the most interest to people who snicker when they see a nipple or who think it is awesome when Scorpion rips out some guy’s spine. I think that the true mark of a mature game is when the game makes an emotional or artistic statement that becomes all the more nuanced with time and maturity. There are very few games that even attempt to do this, and I think that Majora’s Mask is one of the most effective.

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One of the people commenting wrote this:

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Regarding mature storylines:

Children’s stories are one method culture uses to educate its youth.

Look at the old children’s stories from our own culture, and compare them to what is marketed as suitable for children today–what happened to the wonder, the danger, the trickster elements? As a generalization, not only do the new stories lack complex emotional states, they fail to provide a solid base upon which a mature understanding of the world can be (later) built.

What are your thoughts on how these sentiments apply to Animorphs as a mature story, and your experience growing up with it? Have the story and its statements become more nuanced as you've grown and matured? Have they shaped your understanding of the world today? Are today's kids missing out on mature stories, getting "safe" stories instead?

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 12:49:00 AM »
I would definitely agree. When I worked at a bookstore, it was kind of scary to see the pre-teen section, that Animorphs used to proudly be a part of, suddenly filled with all these, as you call them, "safe" books. Nothing there really seemed like it would make you think...

Granted, on the surface Animorphs didn't really look like it would make you think, either. The impression you get from them is "kids turn into animals and fight aliens!", so I mean, some of these books might be the same, a lot deeper than they seem on the surface, but... *shrugs*

Let's be honest. The books that people were mostly looking into were things like Mary-Kate and Ashley, or stuff about horses. (Er... this was a few years ago, granted. Trends have likely changed since then)

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 11:01:24 PM »
When I first picked up one of my old Animorphs books after reaching adulthood, I thought something along the lines of: "Heh, this'll be some good nostalgic, easy, lighthearted reading to take my mind off all my Important Grown-Up Books, what with their drama and complications."  And to be perfectly honest, I was a little hesitant, because I was worried that Animorphs, like most of the cartoons I watched when I was little, would return to me in a haze of remiscent embarassment- that, upon returning, I wouldn't be able to see the original appeal in the series through the random silliness or immaturity or stupidity or whatever.

And then I started reading them. And I was, of course, completely floored by all the little things I'd missed when I was little. Since when was Tobias' struggle to choose between the superego of his human mind and the id of his hawk mind something I could relate to, personally? Whoah, is that a candid discussion of genocide? Since when was Rachel's descent portrayed so darkly? Animal rights argued in the same book in which we see the ruthlessness and darkness of the feral mind? Since when was the struggle between the responsiblity each Animorph feels to maintain a personal life and protect their family and the responsibility they feel to protect the human race- an ideal that is undoubtably more important but simultaneously more abstract- so interesting and deep?

When I was younger, I didn't understand David. I read that trilogy and thought how much I wished it could be me- how I wouldn't have done those terrible things if I'd had the opportunity to join the Animorphs; I shoved David in the 'evil' category and continued on. Only re-reading it as an adult did I understand his ostrasization, his loss, his fear- only then did I realize that in the first five books, each of the Animorphs finds something to fight for, but in David's first book, he loses everything he might have used to motivate himself in the war. In the end, he only had himself, and so he prioritized himself above all else.

Did I enjoy the Animorphs as a kid? Of course I did; I was entirely obsessed with them. The ideas inside 'em, the concepts, the real and personal feeling they imparted, where, as an idiotic child I convinced myself that they could exist, they might exist. Now, of course, I know better- and yeah, that will sap some of the fun out, because when you grow up you can't ever go back to that simple, stupid faith of a kid. But there are aspects of the books that I appreciate much more, now- subtle details that used to make the characters more real, and used to make the books like reading someone's diary, but now make me all the more appreciative of the characters, of the dynamics of their relationships and their development through the series.

I don't really know what kids today are getting in terms of books, but hey- books stick around. Even if Animorphs aren't in fashion, they're still lingering around in libraries and schools. Kids today can still pick them up, and I sincerely hope they will, 'cause they're one of those series that'll stick with you.

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 03:38:07 PM »
Well, not reading the newest children's books, it is difficult for me to say. But aside from animorphs, which i have finished rereading since my time as a young lad, and still continue to amaze me in complexity and depth, I can't think of too many positive messages from other children's stories. Goosebumps taught me to "Stay out of the Basement" because my father may be a plant, or if I wear a mask it might stay on me, Harry Potter taught me that with a lot of hard work and tiny bit of magic, the good guy prospers and the bad guy gets killed with no repercussions. Maybe Clifford and Arthur told good life lessons, but they are not young adult.
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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 08:59:20 PM »

Let's be honest. The books that people were mostly looking into were things like Mary-Kate and Ashley, or stuff about horses. (Er... this was a few years ago, granted. Trends have likely changed since then)

Horse books! I used to read The Saddle Club. I loved it. :) I was such a Cassie back then...

But I agree. To this day, when I enter a book store I go to the YA and children's sections. No shame, despite being 23. Seriously, though, some of the stuff there makes me groan. Then again, one can't base a book off of its cover, right?

Animorphs is probably the only series I've known that has such a continuous story arc that combines humor and surface-level action with dark undertones that really make you think. All of the other series of my time (Goosebumps, Babysitters Club, Boxcar Children) were either stand-alone books (Goosebumps featured different characters almost every time) or there wasn't much of an over-arcing storyline.

I think a lot of that is because in other books there's a lack of a goal. Animorphs is about defeating the Yeerks and saving Earth. You can't really tell that in one 125 page book. BSC was about running a club for babysitting. You could tell that story in one book (wash, rinse repeat), which is what they did....over 100 times. There was no ultimate goal that anyone was trying to reach, and as such no development beyond 'be nice to your friends', or 'don't judge others'. Saturday morning cartoon morals.

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 08:46:09 PM »
I actually think about this kind of thing alot.  The more I look backward, the more I can trace all the different things (events, books, tv shows, etc) that helped form the person that I currently am.  Of course this could just be my effort to enforce a pattern where there is one but I don't think so.

From the animorphs specifically: i picked up bits of my sense of humor (also attributable to MASH, my father's favorite show), i also picked up bits of my current writing style, my desire to write at all, my hatred for ghostwriters and inconsistencies, among many other things

And animorphs is just one example of the various causes I've identified so far.

I don't think video games are quite as important unless a LOT of time is spent with them.  In my experience a video game is 50-100 hours.  I spent WAAAAY more than that with the Animorphs series.
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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2009, 02:27:01 PM »
The Teen and YA sections today seem crammed with vampire stories. But I can't seem to find a decent one...I love a good hero vampire like Angel or Nick Knight but there are few of those around. And there are some coming of age stuff, dating stuff...I pay attention working at the library but rarely find much that I like. Maybe it's because i'm 27 lol

I'm going to start the Tomorrow series...Tomorrow, When the War Began is the first. I think it might have some common themes with Animorphs.

I can't relate to the growing up part because I never picked up the first book until Dec. of '07, when I was already 26. I feel sad though 'cause so much of the fandom is quiet now. Morphz and the Yahoo RPs and such are dead.

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2009, 10:13:31 PM »
Once I finish up with some of my library books, I need to do an Animorphs re-read. It's been a while and I would love to see if things seem any different from when I read them as a kid.

I see some of the books out for younger kids these days and I wonder about them. Terenia, you're not the only one, I'll wander through the YA section still too.

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2009, 11:07:13 PM »
Yeah, there are a ton of writers jumping on the vampire bandwagon. When I go to B&N the teen section seems to be split into two main parts.

1) Vampires
2) Girlie (Gossip Girls, etc.)

There are other fantasy novels, a few coming of age, several relating to drugs and almost zero science-fiction. The vast majority of the books seem to revolve around the two items I mentioned above. Either you like reading about girls being snarky or you like reading about people sucking your blood.

idk, obviously there's more to it (after all, novels like GONE are being published. And anything by Scott Westerfeld is great), but I feel like YA author's are forced into a few rather slim areas. Or maybe they all just want to write about the same thing :P

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 06:50:09 AM »
Yeah, Emo-vampires are so fashion nowadays... I prefer the "AnneRicic" vampires (romantic but who, at least, kill people >_<)
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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 10:26:30 AM »
Yeah, Emo-vampires are so fashion nowadays... I prefer the "AnneRicic" vampires (romantic but who, at least, kill people >_<)
Vampires aren't heroes... usually...

Vampire aren't shouldn't be heroes.  Not on the whole anyway.  Kinda ruins the mystique.
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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2009, 09:58:23 PM »
Or, just go the whole way here: emo-vampires aren't real vampires.
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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2009, 10:02:33 PM »
"Rawr! I vill suck your blood! After cutting mah wrists! And then I vill veep tears of sorrow for vat I have become! And then I vill fall madly in love vith you instead of sucking your blooood!"

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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 05:16:05 AM »
"Rawr! I vill suck your blood! After cutting mah wrists! And then I vill veep tears of sorrow for vat I have become! And then I vill fall madly in love vith you instead of sucking your blooood!"

lol lol ^^

But it's true, vampires who don't suck blood aren't true vampires! >_< Fashion has to change!!
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Re: The stories we grow up with
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 12:31:33 PM »
Ember, I couldn't have put that better.

I stopped reading after the David books, got the entire series and read it this year. They mean even more to me now (especially since I started reading to jack!) than they did when I was a kid. But I loved them differently when I was younger