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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2008, 02:50:31 PM »
Even if david had stayed and wasn't a traitor, he'd be like cousin oliver. There, but no one, especially would want him. Who don't add new main characters to a tight group, Ax as an addition works since he got in early, think how weird it would be if 1/3 of the way into the series they said "hey we got us a new blue dude."
Eventually david would go the way of cousin oliver, they'd send him up stairs and he'd just never come back down.

This is exactly what I meant. Couldn't have said it any better.

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2008, 05:56:11 PM »
*sigh*

Fine. If you guys all think he's a traitor. I'd argue, but I was never good at debates...
I'll just stick with my thoughts

can I lock this thread yet? it's starting to sound like an I-hate-david thread...

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2008, 07:32:07 PM »
Well, tell us your view then, morfowt


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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2008, 08:56:00 PM »
If someone hasn't written a fanfic about this yet, they should have :P...
Alright, I'll go off on a limb here and say that it's down right possible he wouldn't have been a traitor. Yes, by the beginning of 21 we know he's a down-and-out cynic, but we don't know enough of his background to completely say that he was incapable of becoming a regular animorph. Picture it this way, his home is gone, his family infested, the animorphs are all he had-at the moment of truth, the showdown at the fake summit, he very well could choose to stick with the other animorphs and fight, over crossing no-man's-land to join Visser 3. I think this would seriously impress the rest and cause them to accept him in the group; which, along with an mission to free his family, would make him a 'regular'. Yeah, he will always have that 'dark side', but I think later in the series that would compliment nicely with Rachel's darkness problems.
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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2008, 03:06:39 AM »
*sigh*

Fine. If you guys all think he's a traitor. I'd argue, but I was never good at debates...
I'll just stick with my thoughts

can I lock this thread yet? it's starting to sound like an I-hate-david thread...

Lol. That wouldn't be necessary. David was written to be the Animorph we all love to hate.

This was talked before on another Animorph thread. How David was created. What the Animorphs experienced gradually over time, David had gone through in a total of 3 books, probably written over the course of a month in their world, which is a really short time period judging on all the raging emotions the Animorphs had to go through.  David was written and shifted to match the person narrating each story, serving as the best antagonist. In a way, I saw it as an escalation of his own character motives.

Learning of the Yeerk threat, feeling the insane fear that you can't trust anyone anymore, not even your family, receiving the morphing power, having to FIGHT for the first time in a dreadful war. He had to go through all those emotions on such a short notice and in a short amount of time. So his reactions mirrored our favorite Animorphs from the getgo. His sociopath issues is what made his turnout a bit different from the rest.

David sorta started off as a mixture of Marco and Tobias. He had this sarcastic mean kid nature (Marco) but was just as lonely (Tobias) from moving constantly with his family.  In #20 The Discovery David was Marco's antagonist because he reflected Marco's own behavior from the beginning of the series, a reluctant smart-mouthed kid. That was why he and Marco never get along well. They were already too much alike.  Remember how Cassie was able to manipulate  David into morphing the ****roach by using Marco as a negative comparison? It worked, didnt it? There was your rivalry.

By book 21 The Threat, David had formed his own opinion on things. In order to be a good antagonist to Jake the protagonist, David rebelled against Jake the leader. A "threat" to the Animorphs' agenda, he tried to be his own leader. Remember how he also wanted to start his own group of misfit Animorphs bent on crime? Yea. He even dared to personally challenge Jake's authority, considering himself a guy in charge of his own actions, which resulted in the famous lion vs tiger fight. Very cool idea for KA to add to the story. Shame Jake lost.

In #22 The Solution, the situation had changed dramatically and David found himself acting as Rachel's ultimate arch-enemy. Rachel had personally targeted David because she mistakenly believed he murdered Tobias. David then personally targeted Rachel for making such an insane threat against his parents. David's rage intensified and he found himself desperate to reach his own personal goals. Only problem is, Rachel's rage intensified too. And I noticed the comparisons b/w David and Rachel. Both were tall. Both blond. Both aggressive individuals. Both had a dark nature. Almost like twins. Oddly enough, throughout the entire book it was like reading about a dark sibling rivalry that had taken a turn for the worst. Brother and sister who hated each other, with a passion. And it ended up as a very interesting dynamic.

By the end of the David experience, which involved going through the phases of being aware of the Yeerk threat, and enduring all those emotions in such a short amount of time, David's own fate foreshadowed the fate of the Animorphs: A youth in desolation, torn by the negative effects and self-damaging experience of a war before his time.
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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2008, 03:14:44 AM »
Wow. That was a lot of commentary.

Sorry guys.

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2008, 03:36:45 AM »
yeah, but that still doesn't mean I don't wish david hadn't turned traitor.

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2008, 03:40:07 AM »
I always thought of him as a rat (pun not intended), but still, you can't compare the guy to other Animorphs. The others had time to adjust, star with smaller missions, easier morphs, learn gradually. But David got it pretty quickly. He was treated like the "new guy". Or the "Other Animorph" like that. He probably felt lonesome, and at the same time, the 7 vs. 7 million slugs fact didn't help at all.
I'm just a writer, and my main goal was always to entertain. But I've never let Animorphs turn into just another painless video game version of war, and I wasn't going to do it at the end. I've spent 60 books telling a strange, fanciful war story, sometimes very seriously, sometimes more tongue-in-cheek. I've written a lot of action and a lot of humor and a lot of sheer nonsense. But I have also, again and again, challenged readers to think about what they were reading. To th

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2008, 04:22:17 AM »
I always thought of him as a rat (pun not intended), but still, you can't compare the guy to other Animorphs. The others had time to adjust, star with smaller missions, easier morphs, learn gradually. But David got it pretty quickly. He was treated like the "new guy". Or the "Other Animorph" like that. He probably felt lonesome, and at the same time, the 7 vs. 7 million slugs fact didn't help at all.

Yes and No. Yes he was always a rat. Yes the others had time to adjust and start off easier, but no, David CLEARLY did not get it pretty quickly. I'm sorry but he just did not get it at ALL, lol. You did see how he tried to kill them all? Probably a lost cause from the beginning. Sure he might have understood the magnitude of the situation, or maybe not, but he handled it poorly.

But yes, he was treated like the new guy. But a new guy with a serious attitude. The Animorphs were sort of a clique and they did kind of make him feel he was being controlled.  He had a reason to act as he did, but not as aggressively nor as maliciously.

And that's what drew the line. David was obviously crazy. Going through what he had to go through made him that way. Im sure he would have went along fine in life had the Animorphs not made him aware of the Yeerks. They brought it upon themselves. I mean, the signs that he would reject their offering were all there.

However you might be right. Maybe what was missing was Elfangor's sacrifice. The influence of the dying Andalite who revealed to them how serious it all was. Maybe that was it, not being there from the very beginning.

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2008, 04:25:35 AM »
No, my statement was misleading.. I meant that the Animorphs shoved the situation down his throat too quickly without time to adjust...  ;D

But the Animorphs had no choice. Well, they had a choice but, the choices were pretty one sided.

a. Kill David.
b. Let David be a Controller
c. Rescue David and make him one of them

Pretty one sided huh? But I guess Marco was right, they should have just let him be a Controller. The unfortunate guy. I wish he hadn't pick up the blue box from the beginning.
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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2008, 04:37:43 AM »
I was with Marco. As backwards as it might have seemed, David wouldve been much safer with the Yeerks. Gotta do whats best for the team and the war. David only held them back till they were able to dump him somewhere. Literally.

I was kind of angry at the Animorphs for what they did to him, trapping him in morph. They were responsible for his condition, the way he turned out, his attacks. Marco tried to tell em! Funny how not even Cassie could see the possibilities of what might happen.

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2008, 04:57:40 AM »
Well, the Animorphs had another one sided choice about what to do with David.

a. Kill him.
b. Give him the blue box (A major NO!)
c.  Trap him in rat morph

I guess, they chose what they thought was the kindest punishment for David. Although IMO,being stuck as a rat is worse than death.
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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2008, 05:18:03 AM »
yeah, your life's still over, but you still have to live it...
at least if you're dead, you don't live that life anymore.

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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2008, 05:27:00 AM »
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yeah, your life's still over, but you still have to live it...
at least if you're dead, you don't live that life anymore.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I bet he spent his time in that island wishing he would die. Of course rat instincts prevented him from doing that (human instincts too, probably).
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Re: If david stayed...
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2008, 12:39:33 PM »

However you might be right. Maybe what was missing was Elfangor's sacrifice. The influence of the dying Andalite who revealed to them how serious it all was. Maybe that was it, not being there from the very beginning.

I think this is a really good point. I'm doing a series reread right now and I've noticed that all of the early books go out of their way to mention just how much Elfangor's sacrifice meant to them in terms of fighting the war. Even in #4 Marco, who is on the verge of quitting, counts himself in on the mission because it has to do with helping an Andalite.
David's only experiences with Andalites were Visser Three (not so good) and Ax. Ax can come across as arrogant. Besides, Ax was always Jake's tag-along, calling him "Prince" and whatnot. That probably did not leave a very good impression on David. He didn't feel as if he owed anyone anything. The Ani's felt they owed it to Elfangor to fight.

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