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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2008, 12:25:39 AM »
I didn't read it too... SO if you read it, Tocade, please tell me what it is about ^^'
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2008, 03:29:38 PM »
I tried to make an effort to read you loong introduction.
It was not that easy as I am:
1) Lazy
2) not an english speaker

So I guess that i would need to read it 2 or 3 other times to "fully" understand it^^

Just a question (sorry if it's stupid), why do you talk about life in "red and white". Generally it's not red but black^^ So... i didn't understand  ???

First, thank you for your effort!  I find reading in Esperanto (my second-best language) painfully slow compared to English, so I understand and am very much honored.

The usual metaphor would be black vs white in English.  Why "red" then?

Simplest answer: "because Stephen King does it."  I have a lot of respect for King.  Many of his works have a sort of dreamlike, or even nightmarish quality, that I was drawn to in writing my introduction, so I borrowed his symbolism.  King, in turn, may have borrowed the same symbol from E. A. Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death."

Longer answer: I briefly considered using "black and white" and "shades of gray."  To me, however, black represents something very different from evil.  The Christian creation myths begin with darkness.  Darkness humbly waits to be filled with light.  Silence clears the way for sound.  Death waits for resurrection.  In Catholic symbolism, darkness may represent sin, but doesn't always:
  • a black mark made from burnt palm leaves represents a willingness to return to the beginning, asking God to shine out his light again.
  • the alter and priest used to wear black on Good Friday (red--representing passion, not evil in this case!--is now used)
  • black is still an option for funerals and All-Souls' Day (in place of the seasonal color)
So, black was not satisfactory to me.  Why red?  I'm not entirely sure.  Imagine only being able to see uniformly bright white and red, with pink shades between.  I suspect at least half the answer is in that image.
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2008, 04:30:47 PM »
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2008, 05:03:26 PM »
Masque of Red Death=amazing
Candy Cane wrapper=stupid.  Silly wrapper.  Getting in the way of minty goodness...
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2008, 01:36:05 AM »
Esperanto?
Where were you taught that language?
I've heard of it, i know a few reasons why it was made up but... I don't know any person who really knows it.

Actually you are the second person who tells me they can speak Esperanto. (is this sentence correct?)
The other one was also American! I think it's weird ^^ .
I mean, English language is widely spread and it is used as a way to commnicate with people from all around the world.
For exemple, I'm French and I want to talk to a Russian. We will both communicate in English.
Some people who can speak Esperanto try to use this language as a language of international communication which would "replace" or reduce the predominance of English language.

Well, sorry if i am not clear. My point is : why would an english speaker support Esperanto?



So, back to the red and white !

I still don't understand, what does red symbolize for you?
Pink Piggy: Anyway, these are standard assumptions in economics. I have no problem with them. Quantum theory also seems weird but it is accepted, that is the way of science.
Brown Piggy: Quantum theory makes no claim about the motivations or welfare of quantum particles.
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2008, 03:08:47 PM »
Actually you are the second person who tells me they can speak Esperanto. (is this sentence correct?)
Really close:
Actually you are the second person who has told me they can speak Esperanto
or
Actually you are the second person who told me they can speak Esperanto.

But in any case, your English is much better than my foreign language(spanish).
I probably insult people accidentally when I try to say hello  ::)
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2008, 03:19:52 PM »
Esperanto?
Where were you taught that language?
I've heard of it, i know a few reasons why it was made up but... I don't know any person who really knows it.

Actually you are the second person who tells me they can speak Esperanto. (is this sentence correct?)

There should be a comma after "Actually," in formal prose.  Otherwise, it's perfect.

I'm entirely self-taught.  I did benefit from my three years of HS Latin, but I haven't taken an Esperanto course.

I found some great resources online:
Lernu! (in many languages, including French)
Esperanto dictionary (with translations into other languages) Reta Vortaro
Flashcard software (Japanese-focused (it's named ??, for one thing), but memorization is memorization) Anki

I mean, English language is widely spread and it is used as a way to commnicate with people from all around the world.
For exemple, I'm French and I want to talk to a Russian. We will both communicate in English.
Some people who can speak Esperanto try to use this language as a language of international communication which would "replace" or reduce the predominance of English language.

Well, sorry if i am not clear. My point is : why would an english speaker support Esperanto?

Interesting that you should mention Russians.  My first week into Esperanto, this summer, I was lurking on the Lernu forums, when I came across some threads about the Russian/Georgian conflict, the new NATO missile defense system on the Russian border, and the change from the socialist regime to the current republic.  For the first time in any language, I found myself reading comments by more-or-less ordinary Russians.  (...though they were weird enough to learn Esperanto...)

My main motivation to learn Esperanto is that I want some practice learning a language, before I go back to Japanese (which has kicked my butt once already), or attempt something crazy like Mandarin, Arabic, or Swahili.  Being able to use it internationally, through Pasporta Servo and the like, in addition to English, is a nice bonus, but not my main goal, and I'm not trying to replace English--it's simply not my business what language people use to communicate. If the tool works, by all means use it!

Still, there's something rather ironic about a common language whose preferred phrase meaning "common language" is in a second language, talking about a third: "lingua franca."

So, back to the red and white !

I still don't understand, what does red symbolize for you?


Simply put, in this context, red symbolizes destructive chaos, or to use the simple word: evil.

Young, crazy Weathel only sees things as good and bad, so he actually misses out on a lot of beauty and healthy variety: the blues and greens and yellows of art--and the greatest Art, Creation, which Wildweathel is able to appreciate in the present-tense narration.  I added the color to the text as an afterthought, so don't read too much into that.  (I may even take the text colors out--do you think the style contrasts enough?)
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2008, 10:56:24 PM »
But in any case, your English is much better than my foreign language(spanish).
I probably insult people accidentally when I try to say hello  ::)

Ahahah  ;D
You gave me in idea for a thread about language barrier and awkward situations ^^



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I think i'll answer to that later cause my brain is a bit like my computer right now: slowing down
Pink Piggy: Anyway, these are standard assumptions in economics. I have no problem with them. Quantum theory also seems weird but it is accepted, that is the way of science.
Brown Piggy: Quantum theory makes no claim about the motivations or welfare of quantum particles.
Pink Piggy: You just do not understand the mathematics involved. This is typical uninformed criticism of economics.



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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2008, 04:19:48 PM »
Welcome to RAF, Wildweathel. I'm sorry it took me so long to answer here. It is good to know you. :)

I know a very little Esperanto, if you ever want to sprechensz, parley, or habla.  ;)
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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2008, 03:47:59 AM »
It seems like my Rafenmity is gone ^^
Where are you?
Pink Piggy: Anyway, these are standard assumptions in economics. I have no problem with them. Quantum theory also seems weird but it is accepted, that is the way of science.
Brown Piggy: Quantum theory makes no claim about the motivations or welfare of quantum particles.
Pink Piggy: You just do not understand the mathematics involved. This is typical uninformed criticism of economics.



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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2008, 02:56:57 AM »
Note:  All of my comments are being made at nigh 3a.m. and I am merely going on a first-impression based analysis.

Long ago (so it seems) there was a little creature who wanted to be perfect in everything he did.  The whole universe was a magnificent mechanism: everything worth knowing understandable, and everything understandable, his little mind could grasp.  Mathematics was easy.  Music too.  And, he knew mountains of fact, from a small forest of books.  The little creature loved to read.  He was of course quite mad.  Anyone could see it: he made few friends, just sat in the corner with his nose in a book; he must be terribly lonely.
Showing your development from that pitiful creature, I assume.  Very subtly, and yet obviously written in there.  I commend you. *claps*


Sqee.  Squee.  Feet pack fresh-fallen snow.  Air so cold it tugs inside the nose.

Yet in truth, he was not lonely.  To him, words lived, reached from the page, grabbing his mind.  His eyes flew across the page; their flow swept him to other places more engaging than his own.  In shadow, the Educators and Engineers worried.  He was a transfer student, the son of parents who moved from Away.  That itself was not unusual.  This was not the taiga, vast potato fields, or resort town on rocky cost, but a suburb of the state's largest city.  Immigration was common, both internationally and from other States.  No, what was strange was that he was re-enrolling after two years of home school.  From his file, they knew he had been an associate of a known troublemaker before and it must have worried them that the two had once again.  Their power was limited.  They were only effective if they could keep up the charade.  Isolation was their greatest weapon.  They could keep them isolated during classes and hope that was enough.

Are you revealing a dramatization of your history, or is this purely fictional?  ???

Also, I enjoy your portrayal of such people.  Again, worthy of applause.


He turns to the warm south-east.  Ice coating the bare trees burns white, ignited by the sunlight.  It is a postcard picture, but the postcards never catch how it sounds nor smells--nor how fleeting this beauty is.

Surprisingly, it seemed enough--but how wrong they were.  The two years of solitude had changed him.  The Weathel and Trouble didn't play many games with the other children.  They prowled around, like two hunters, and . . . talked.  Two quiet unknowns, variables in the system.  What was clear was that Weathel wasn't fitting in.  He didn't color in the lines.  He didn't color at all.  Faced with drawing or writing or playing games, the normal role of the cog, he  seized up.  He avoided these things.  He spread his wings, caught the wind of words, lost himself in other worlds.
Reminiscent of the two intellectuals ahead of their class, a clever...fictionali zation?



Please forgive me.  You must of course wonder why he came here.  My story, my answer, is yet unfinished, but here is the first piece of the puzzle: Applegate's Animorphs was one of the worlds to which Weathel fled.

So, assuming that the previous had been a dramatization of your life, you began devouring fiction, and stumbled upon Animorphs?



In the frozen land, on this still cloudless day, the sun's heat is almost shocking.  The same sun that makes the ice coat a halo also loosens it.  The fresh snow deadens the usual noises; only the falling ice, like rain, can be heard.




Long ago, the Weathel wanted to be perfect in everything he did.  He thrived on hard answers, on right answers.  But he was insane: in life not everything is red-or-white.  Often, things are gray.  Or so dark, you can't see anything.  Often there are no wrong answers.  At those times, he saw there are no right answers and was afraid.  So he drifted along, saying nothing when he was not sure he'd be right.  At times, rare times, he was so angry and frustrated that he would burst.  Those times scared him most of all.  They also caught the attention of the Engineers.  And so, arrangements were made, experts were called.  No doubt, even grants were written, the curriculum adapted.  A therapist was brought in.  And little by little:

Not a damned thing got better.  Then the school year ended, he was promoted with meaningless fanfare from Preteen Holding-Pen to Young-Teen Holding-Pen.  He became somebody-else's problem.


Ah, the emotional uncertainty of that age.  As of now (I'm commenting on first impressions, as I read through), I am simply enjoy your symbolism of such things.


He comes to the edge of a lake, stopping on its pebbly shore.  Few beaches in the state have sand.  Even fewer are naturally sandy.  The water is dangerous this time of year.  Earlier, it was swimmable, and later it will be walkable, but before the ice grows thick it is a death-trap. 

Utterly beyond the comprehension of the Engineers and Educators, a chain of events had been set into motion that might bring hope to the lost, frightened Weathel.  There was a teacher in the system but not of the system.  She had known him from his early childhood.  She had two very intelligent daughters of her own and taught the accelerated mathematics program.  In some way, she must have understood the loneliness, certainly more than he did himself.  He did not need the math class.  He was meeting the standards.  He was not being left behind.  But he did need somewhere to be successful and not bored.  He needed a rock of sanity to survive what came next.


A role model introduced, bringing stability to your life?  Someone who understood you better than all before, and who cared (most certainly) more than the others that ran your life?
*continues reading*



The long-lasting winter sunset has begun, throwing his long shadow northeast over the thin ice.  He bends down, grabs a stone that fits his hand, and flicks it skittering across the ice.

The three years of young teen holding pen flashed past as a nightmare.  The mercilessly sarcastic teacher: first year.  The insane horse lady: third year.  Storming out of art class: second year.  Maybe.  Pity grade from that teacher: D-.  Hours-long year-end assemblies in the gym: first, second, and third year.  Homeroom teacher committed suicide, maybe: second year.  Voice changed, offered choice to sing alto (hah!) or leave the chorus--then pulled out of class by Sarcastic Teacher and encouraged to quit on the exact same day: first year.  Staring at a blank piece of paper, trying, trying, to make a story come to life, first year.  Pity grade from that teacher: D.  He swore he would never write again.  Yet some of the memories were strangely funny, or even good.  Kicked out of center-for-grieving children meeting for being a child, then walking 45 minutes home on a beautiful spring day: second year.  Hanging out with the tech/science/film club: third year.  Belting out Cat Steven's "Here Comes My Baby," in a rich baritone to a full auditorium including the choral teacher and sarcastic teacher: third year, a priceless moment.  World-building with friends at lunch, crafting the beginnings of the "wildweathel" screen-name: third year.

(once more assuming this is a dramatization of your life) The years of change that the earlier hell of emotional change was but a prelude to.  At least you were beginning to make friends.



The stone alone marks the end of a dashed trail.



Weathel caught hold of three foundations of sanity: the math teacher, the music teacher--another in the system and not of it--and finally summers with Trouble.  Trouble had a cottage on a lake, four hours from their home, and there Weathel could take a break from being a cog in the machine.  They swam in the lake, and paddled a canoe and spent long summer afternoons walking and talking with Trouble, or reading, or firing air guns and illegal explosives in the quarry down the road.  At night the pyrotechnics would come out as the bats crawled out from under the metal roof and they painted with fire and cooked flesh and, in short, they lived.  His world was no longer red and white, but also blue and yellow--and even green.


Things beginning to improve, at least outside of school.  The "troublesome" friend being your main means to escape the monotony of everyday life.




He smiles and turns, scans the horizon.  Perhaps he will head home.

Three years previous, he had been an eerie stoic.  His rage at the stupidity, his fear of creativity lay bottled up nearly of the time.  But during those later years, with Trouble and in the Pen, Weathel discovered something new stirring.  He learned how to smile.  He learned, to his surprise, that he didn't nearly smile enough.  He realized that Old-Teen Holding-Pen would be more of the same--no, it would be worse.  The freedom he had enjoyed to study mathematics and technology on his own would disappear.  Music, too, would become an intense competition.  Lost in an even larger sea of humanstock, the Engineers would be able to separate him further from Trouble--and they wouldn't show poor Weathel, son of a trouble-maker, friend of another troublemaker, student of a third troublemaker, clearly in need of their help to become a good little cog; they would not show him any mercy.  Understanding this, comprehending little, he screamed he wanted out.

The anonymity getting to you, the feeling that you are being repressed beginning to pervade.  However, the improvement is still there.  You are no longer bottling up your emotions, despite your pessimistic outlook. 



Suddenly the forest is alive with small gray birds: flitting from tree to ground to tree, searching the cones for seeds.  His muse sparkles impishly: "Praise God!  The sky is full of tits!"

So, Weathel got out.  He left the system behind: the gears and grants, the disciples of Dewey and Marx, the Fabians, the Engineers, those who hope to build a world of living human bricks.  He found another system: one of gears and papers and even the odd Engineers, true enough, but the machine was not entirely mechanical.  Accidentally at first, he began to plant roots: he joined the math team, because it seemed the right thing to do.  There he met people who were indeed smarter than he was, and faced challenges he had to work to overcome.  He tempered his precociousness with humility.  He struggled through homework--not because it was hard, but because it was endless.  His second year, he began to debate.  And, his second year, he achieved a great victory, when--having forgotten Applegate, he met Elliot.

The "roots" you planted turning into friendships, perhaps?  And  I like your comment; "not because it was hard, but because it was endless".  ;)


Then he realizes that they are, unfortunately, not tits.  They're too large and the heads are all gray.  The bills are orange.  When they perch, they look like small fat robins, feathers puffed against the cold.  Not tits, then.  Juncos.  Snow-sparrows.  He remembers the substitute from when the teacher killed himself.  He was no engineer, no utopian.  But he loved birds, and though the carefully-machined students mocked him for it, though the wanderer had no use for the information at the time, he sat at the feet of the master and learned.  Red-wings.  Orioles.  Goldfinches.  Bluebirds.  Two species of tits--neither of which can be these birds.  The other blue birds: swallows of tree and brick. 

A circle.  A line through the center.  Another line parallel, tangent below.  The code for a 'D,' 'nearly' a failure.  Weathel had seen that symbol four years prior, had sworn to never do anything wishy-washy creative again.  He was almost steadfast in that promise.  He had only lapsed once and wrote a few songs, songs without words, songs he would never publish.  They didn't count, right?  But then, in his second year at School-on-Ocean, the assignment came.  No wrong answers.  No right answers.  "Intertextuality."  Shades of blue and yellow, nor red nor white.  The blank yellow page, and college-ruled blue lines rose in his memory.  A symbol: a circle and two lines.  He didn't even like Elliot's The Wasteland to begin with.  The spirit of Weathel moved over dark possibilities, rippling and waiting below, mocking his indecision.  In short, he was afraid.

He watches the sparrows dig through the litter.  He wonders why he is so reminiscent today, why their mad dash for food seems so amusing.  A drop of melting ice falls on the back of his neck.  He almost laughs.



Then for the first time, speechless Weathel remembered to breathe.  He inhaled--"inspired" is a better word--images: a dry, red, sandstone arch.  Lightning striking a tree.  A city at night, a few lightning-strikes there as well.  An abandoned, ruined abbey.  A rooster.  Then, he spoke three images: a dry red land where voices whisper.  A faith abandoned prophesying of a gathering storm.  Blessed rain falling, amid terrible destruction.  It was a retelling of the last book of The Wasteland: hoping for rain yet fearing the thunder.  Weathel finished explaining the symbolism, then fell silent at the head of the class.  They were probably just tired, and a bit bored, but even if some were surprised, none were possibly as surprised as Weathel--no, now Wildweathel.  School-on-Ocean, second year, Wildweathel receives a grade on a creative assignment: 'A'. 


The creative part of your mind, awakening?  The fear of expressing yourself removed, and replaced with the surprise of success?  The realization of "I can do this."



The mad little snow-sparrows dash through the forest, picking through the fallen cones.  In a few minutes they are gone.  The sky burns gold and red and purple.  He continues, breath freezing in the air, now thinking of home--at least the idea of home. 

From that time, Wildweathel knew he was alive, wonderfully, fearfully alive.  From that time, Wildweathel knew he was sane, or at least sane enough to know that he had been insane before.  But Wildweathel had all but forgotten his friend, Trouble, the friend who helped him begin to live, the friend who was still trapped in the world of gears and grants.  The Engineers tried to fix Trouble.  Trouble, in his boredom, tried to fix the Engineers right back.  In the end, they failed miserably, and declared Trouble a failure.  Trouble didn't waste time arguing.  Just like Weathel, Trouble got out of the system.  From that time, Wildweathel realized he had let his friend down.
:-\ <<<Sums it up quite nicely.






He reaches a stream, and turns upstream.  Ring-billed gulls stare at him from the opposite bank as he passes.

The next spring, Wildweathel was at School-on-Ocean, walking from one building to the next, when he saw a sudden movement through the door glass.  A large bird swept across his vision.  He stepped outside in time to see several gulls mob the bird: a white and brown bird with hooked beak and a rust-red tail.  "Cool," thought Wildweathel.  "I've never really seen one before."  Then, Wildweathel began to remember.
Animorph-memory back?



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It is almost dark now, but he takes a moment to sit on the simple dam the holds back the small, ice-covered lake feeding the river.  He admits that he's still lost.  Perhaps another night bivouacked.  Perhaps he might go a bit further today.



Later that spring, Wildweathel discovered recreational insanity.  His sister encouraged him to audition for School-on-Ocean's musical play.  He found himself singing a small, but technically challenging part, and simply hanging out and laughing with the fun loving, extroverted cast and crew.  He abandoned his self-consciousness, went a little crazy, and in that way became sane.  Then, Wildweathel finished his last year and a half at School-on-Ocean, and began to wander.  But still he wonders what, in the end, happens to Tobias and the rest.
:D


He rises, then notices a light in the forest.  Yes, he will continue a bit further tonight.  He lights his lantern and sets out through the undergrowth, following a deer trail at first, then turning off into the bramble.  It slows him--eventually he gives in and cuts his way through.  On the other side he skirts a frozen pond and so arrives at a small, but cozy-looking, cabin.  The lights are on inside and outside, illuminating a sign which reads "Richard's," but he hesitates for a moment.  Stepping forward, under a large awning he notices a library.  K. A. Applegate.  Unable to resist as the memories flood back, he begins with "The Discovery," more or less where he stopped and does something he hasn't done in a long time.  He reads through the long night and well into the next day, with hardly a break until, in "The Beginning," he reads: "Chapter 18: Tobias," and his heart nearly breaks.  Gathering his courage, he finishes the last book then takes a look around.  His eyes catch on a note: Animorphs Audio Book Project.

Nice symbolism of the internet, there, as well as the rediscovery of Animorphs.


Intrigued, he steps to the door.

"...and welcome to the loonie bin, funny farm, happy..."
"...welcome!  Here's you strait-jacket.  Let me know..."
"...random leprechauns.  Try and steal their gold, and see..."
"Yay!  New members!  Because we need more insane people..."

Wildweathel stared across the damp snow.  Sane?  Insane?  Who could tell.  Perhaps it didn't matter all that much.  He turned and opened the door:

I blink as my eyes adjust from the harsh blue light outdoors to the soft yellow glow of old-fashioned propane lamps.  As usual, I feel a bit shy, but I force myself to relax.  I look up and left at nothing, letting my muse come to me.  I speak a verse:

Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me
In heart, I feel I have come home


I feel a strange urge to tell my story--strange because I never have before, not even to myself, not a full narrative.  The place seems welcoming enough.  What do I have left to lose now?  I have the snow, the lake, the sunset, the thunder, but I can only lose them if I am afraid, if I choose not to care.  I give in.

I tell the story.

Then, I look around and ask, "So.  Am I crazy enough to stay?"

In conclusion?


I sincerely hope you are.

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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2008, 03:21:58 AM »
Ok, since Taiyoh actually was crazy enough to try to analyse you novel^^, I'm gonna ask a question ^^
Who are the engineers? I considered several answers but i'm not sure^^
Pink Piggy: Anyway, these are standard assumptions in economics. I have no problem with them. Quantum theory also seems weird but it is accepted, that is the way of science.
Brown Piggy: Quantum theory makes no claim about the motivations or welfare of quantum particles.
Pink Piggy: You just do not understand the mathematics involved. This is typical uninformed criticism of economics.



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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2008, 11:48:15 AM »
Ok, since Taiyoh actually was crazy enough to try to analyse you novel^^, I'm gonna ask a question ^^
Who are the engineers? I considered several answers but i'm not sure^^

I had assumed they symbolized the ones who were in control of his life (the ones "engineering" society).

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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2008, 11:57:07 AM »
Ok, since Taiyoh actually was crazy enough to try to analyse you novel^^, I'm gonna ask a question ^^
Who are the engineers? I considered several answers but i'm not sure^^

I had assumed they symbolized the ones who were in control of his life (the ones "engineering" society).

I did too and then I thought that they might be more concrete people like... his parents ?

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Pink Piggy: Anyway, these are standard assumptions in economics. I have no problem with them. Quantum theory also seems weird but it is accepted, that is the way of science.
Brown Piggy: Quantum theory makes no claim about the motivations or welfare of quantum particles.
Pink Piggy: You just do not understand the mathematics involved. This is typical uninformed criticism of economics.



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Re: "Though, in mind, I know, 'tis new to me..."
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2008, 12:03:50 PM »
Ok, since Taiyoh actually was crazy enough to try to analyse you novel^^, I'm gonna ask a question ^^
Who are the engineers? I considered several answers but i'm not sure^^

I had assumed they symbolized the ones who were in control of his life (the ones "engineering" society).

I did too and then I thought that they might be more concrete people like... his parents ?



...son of parents who moved from Away...

*shrug*

I'm sure he will enlighten us.