Cassie/Marco/Tobias

[chellerue]

Am I the only one who wishes there was more interaction between Cassie/Marco and Cassie/Tobias? Maybe I'm biased because Cassie is one of my favorite characters, but I would have loved for K.A. to have explored these two relationships deeper. I know not all of them could be best friends, but can anyone come up with any ideas as to why they weren't (or couldn't be) close?

 

[Chad32]

Cassie and Marco are too different to be very close. I'm not sure about her and Tobias.

[AniDragon]

I'm not sure about Cassie and Marco being too different to be close, considering that Cassie is partially based off of K. A. Applegate and Marco is partially based off of Michael Grant. I do recall them having a heart-to-heart at one point that was really well done, though I can't remember when it was (possibly after an interaction with Visser One?).

[NothingFromSomething]

Cassie and Marco were two of the most interesting in terms of interaction with each other, in my book.  Mutual genuine respect and simultaneous moral despising of each other.  But the positive stuff just about always winning out in the end.

Don't think that stuff was exactly undercooked.  Having difficulty remembering some Cassie/Tobias scenes off the top of my head, but I'm sure they were there, especially early in the series when Tobias is still getting used to the law-of-the-jungle existence stuff.

[Snakie]

What little we got from Cassie/Tobias wasn't all that interesting in all honesty.

The only thing I can remember all that clearly with respect to the two of them is the silliness with the baby skunks and Cassie "forgiving" Tobias after he helped protect the ones he didn't eat.

I actually think Cassie/Marco interactions would have been really interesting BECAUSE the two of them were so different.

[Chad32]

I think book 9 was about the most memorable Cassie/Tobias interaction too.

[DinosaurNothlit]

I dunno, I personally liked the scene in book 4 when Tobias almost ate Cassie as a squirrel.

Kinda funny, when you think about it, that she got madder about the skunks than she did about nearly getting eaten herself.  That's Cassie, for you.

Just as a side note, I agree with the general sentiment that Cassie/Marco tends to be more interesting than Cassie/Tobias.  Cassie/Tobias just tends to make Cassie look like a hypocrite, because she supposedly likes nature, and Tobias is only doing what a natural hawk would do, and (at least in book 9) she gets peeved at him for it.  Then pretty much ignores him for the rest of the series. 

Cassie/Marco should have been explored more, though.  The differences between them are interesting; they complement each others' weaknesses, to the point that the team would not have been functional if it had only had one of them or the other.  With just Marco, the Animorphs would have been too ruthless, and with just Cassie, they would have been crippled.  They needed both.

[chellerue]

Cassie/Marco should have been explored more, though.  The differences between them are interesting; they complement each others' weaknesses, to the point that the team would not have been functional if it had only had one of them or the other.  With just Marco, the Animorphs would have been too ruthless, and with just Cassie, they would have been crippled.  They needed both.

Marco and Cassie are definitely the more interesting pair based on everything you said. Without the Animorphs, I couldn't see them being friends at all, but their dynamic is only interesting because of the war. They added the moral dilemma to the story, but even Cassie admits that they were never close in the last book. I doubt they spoke often after the war either, despite being the only ones who thrived. Since her breakup with Jake, Rachel's death, Ax leaving and Tobias' disappearance, it seems like Marco would be her last friend (of the Animorphs).

Tobias and Cassie are more alike temperament-wise than, say, Rachel/Cassie, Tobias/Rachel and Marco/Cassie. It just seems like they would have been friends, even if it wouldn't have been the most exciting friendship. All I get from them is mutual acquaintances. Like many of you said, the only Cassie/Tobias moment I can remember is in book 9, and that didn't look too good on Cassie's part. :/ And yes, she basically ignores him for the rest of the series. Oh well.

[Chad32]

I'm pretty sure she made an effort to distance herself from the others, which is why she didn't even stay by Jake when honestly he really needed her. This is why she didn't become closer to Marco after the war.

[chellerue]

You know, I never thought about Cassie purposefully distancing herself from the others. It makes sense, I guess. Rachel's dead, Ax is in space, Jake is depressed, Marco and Tobias weren't really close friends.

When Jake visits Cassie toward the end, it's implied that she knows where Tobias is, right? Do you think Tobias would seek out Cassie after all that time?

[Chad32]

I think she knew where he was, but I don't know if they talked. I don't really see her keeping tabs on Tobias when she purposefully stayed away from Jake.

[donut]

I think she knew where he was, but I don't know if they talked. I don't really see her keeping tabs on Tobias when she purposefully stayed away from Jake.

Yeah, but Jake really hurt her.  At least that's what I seem to remember.  I wasn't paying that close attention after the war ended.  It actually took me getting stuck in an elevator for 2 hours to finish the last half of the last book.  Tobias on the other hand was wounded from what happened without really doing anything for Cassie to be mad about.  It kinda sounds like Cassie's domain.

I do recall them having a heart-to-heart at one point that was really well done, though I can't remember when it was (possibly after an interaction with Visser One?).

This probably isn't the time you're thinking of, since it wasn't really a heart to heart, but Marco broke down and cried while hugging Cassie after she kept talking with him and encouraging him to get out of a fly morph in book... 21 I think.   I remember in one of the books Marco saying Cassie really annoyed him, but he cut her slack because when someone saves your life, you cut them a lot of slack.

[Chad32]

Jake didn't hurt her, except maybe when he didn't just forgive and forget the fact that she let Tom's Yeerk get away with the box. If it's because of that, it wasn't undeserved.

I think I remember that. I'm thinking it was a flea morph, but the exact insect doesn't really matter.

[donut]

I think you might be right... Maybe they caught a ride as fleas on one of the other anis....

I really thought Jake did hurt her.  Maybe I just figured it or something.  Giving an order that got Rachel killed, killing a bunch of yeerks, then kinda breaking down.  Eh, it has been awhile since I read that book.

[Chad32]

He does mention in his narration that she looked hurt when he accidentally excluded her from a meeting after the incident with the box. Then Tobias said it was beyond wrong. Hell, I would have done it on purpose. I would have told her flat out that she is no longer part of this group. Though they normally take a vote on big decisions, I can't imagine allowing her to remain in the group after that.

Jake seemed to be the only one really bothered by what she did. Except Ax, and only because he had recently gone behind the team's back and spoken secretly with the Andalites. What she did was a deep betrayal, and any good that happened because of it doesn't exonerate her for what she did.

So yeah her feelings were most likely hurt, but she could have, and probably should have, cost them the war. The only reason it didn't was an author's saving throw.