Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Blazing Angel on January 02, 2012, 04:02:54 PM
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I had no idea this was in the first book until it was pointed out to me
And Cassie had gotten away clean. It had been the suspicious Controller policeman who had grabbed her. He was the only Controller to know her name, where she lived, and that she had been spying on The Sharing.
Cassie said we didn't have to worry about him anymore. She didn't want to talk about what had happened to him.
----The Invasion, Chapter Twenty-Seven
That's some pretty deeply implied teenage murder.
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Yes, it was glossed over pretty well but there's not a lot of wiggle roo for that guy surviving. If he survived, the series would be very short or very different. The first book was really dark. Probably one of the top five darkest books.
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well, Cassie could have somehow gotten the yeerk out and told the cop not to talk to anyone about it. But yeah, the chance of him surviving isn't that good
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If he wasn't killed, how did they get him out? Did he go homeless? This was before the Chee could arrange him a new identity as a Canadian Farmer.
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I'd say he's toast. Cassie will do whatever she needs to and justify it to herself later.
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I assumed he was killed in all of the chaos. Cassie didn't want to talk about what happened to him, implying he WAS killed, but by something out of her control, like maybe getting eaten by a Taxxon who had become too eager at his wounded body. Remember, that first fight in the Yeerk pool was anarchy. Anything could have happened.
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I assumed he was killed in all of the chaos. Cassie didn't want to talk about what happened to him, implying he WAS killed, but by something out of her control, like maybe getting eaten by a Taxxon who had become too eager at his wounded body. Remember, that first fight in the Yeerk pool was anarchy. Anything could have happened.
agreed. And didt Rachel throw him? Or was that someone else or from another book?
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The wya it was said though, implies cassie had something to do with it. I think if he was just killed on the crossfire she would have said, "Visser Three got him."
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But i'm not sure if Cassie would lie. So maybe he was killed in the chaos, but it was Cassie who somehow caused it. Like maybe she accidently pushed him in front of a taxxon who ate him. So then he was killed, and being aten by a taxxon isnt the best death, so Cassie didn't want to talk about.
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Eh, keep in mind this is Cassie we're talking about. She gets emotionally scarred pretty easily. So the guy could have just been killed in front of her and she still wouldn't want to talk about it.
Not to say that it's completely out of the question that she killed him. As Weathel already pointed out, she's not above doing whatever is necessary, she just angsts about it more than the others do.
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"Angst, angst, ANGST! That's all we ever get from you! Get over yourself, you've killed more people than Jack The RIpper for crying outloud!"
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Eh, keep in mind this is Cassie we're talking about. She gets emotionally scarred pretty easily. So the guy could have just been killed in front of her and she still wouldn't want to talk about it.
Oh yeah, good point. Cassie is a bit too emotional. Yeah, I think that if the book gave a bit more detail about how she really felt, it'll be possible to tell if she really killed him or not
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So the guy could have just been killed in front of her and she still wouldn't want to talk about it.
she just angsts about it more than the others do.
Not to say that 'angst' and 'not talking about something' are mutually exclusive, but wouldn't she have mentioned it to the reader at least in one of her narrated books? It feels kind of off that she'd never mention that particular incident again, yet would dwell on the moral qualms of other questionable things she's done that weren't as bad as the assumption that she killed this 'troller. If she did kill him, I doubt it was in cold-blood and like somebody else mentioned it was probably done in the chaos of a battle where it's easier to distance yourself emotionally.
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Her first book was two weeks after the incident, so I guess it just wasn't fresh in her mind anymore.
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Her first book was two weeks after the incident, so I guess it just wasn't fresh in her mind anymore.
This was very early in the series, they were still innocent 13-year-olds and at that point it was literally the worst thing she has ever done (assumptions here of course). 2 weeks isn't nearly enough time for it to stop being 'fresh in her mind.'
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Yeah, maybe. I don't know. It's still in character for her as we see later. remember she isn't as bothered about David as Rachel is, and she tries to justify her giving the box away as soon as she realizes something good is coming out of it. Then again, those two things were done as an alternative to killing. Honestly I just don't know.
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Well, whether or not it was fresh in her mind is kind of beside the point, because most of what they discuss in the books isn't so much what they happen to be thinking about at the moment (or about a quarter of each Marco book would be about girls, lol), but rather whatever is relevant to the plot of the book. Like, if they have a nightmare, then they'll mention it because it just happened. Or if they're thinking about something that's related to what's going on in the book, they mention those thoughts because they're relevant.
The controller that Cassie may or may not have killed in the first book was no longer relevant by the fourth. So, although it may still have been on her mind, it isn't mentioned. Because there's no reason to 'bring it up.'
And, if she did kill the guy, I think it would almost definitely have been in the heat of battle. For all her hypocrisy, I can't imagine her killing anyone in cold blood, even if she had no other choice.
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All have have to say is that I have Cassie when to the Yeerk pool armed with horse morph. Now I know a horse can kill a man, but still....:P
And based on KA's style, Cassie wouldn't have to have done it to not say what happened: two books laters Tobias wouldn't describe what happened to a Hork-Bajir punished by Visser Three.
One last thing on a closer look at book 1: In the pool Cassie brought in by the cop, but was handed over to the line guards, Hork-Bajir, until she is released, than goes straight to morph, and catches up to Jake, and they make their way out.
The way it's written, there is no time she could have killed the guy
Unless you want to wager that she managed to get his gun before being kept in line.
I wouldn't
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If thats the case, then why is he ever brought up?
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It would have been a lose end if he hadn't been killed someway or another, otherwise you'd have to change the next book: #2 The Raid
It had to be mentioned that the risk of their identity was no longer at stake, and Cassie, being the one he picked out, happened to be the one monitoring that threat win the fighting broke, and he was likely injured in the mayhem and eaten by a taxxon. *shrug* Or something
Which still would be something a young girl wouldn't wanna talk about coming out of her first conflict
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I think it was a little too early for Cassie's cold and manipulative "Do whatever it takes to survive" side to come out. She was still a scared kid with a black and white view of the world. I don't think in the first book she'd have it in her to kill someone, she didn't even have it in her to get a decent battle morph XD So my vote is that she was somehow indirectly responsible for the cop's death.
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I think it was a little too early for Cassie's cold and manipulative "Do whatever it takes to survive" side to come out. She was still a scared kid with a black and white view of the world. I don't think in the first book she'd have it in her to kill someone, she didn't even have it in her to get a decent battle morph XD So my vote is that she was somehow indirectly responsible for the cop's death.
Part of me wonders maybe if she did kill him, and it mentally scarred her into adopting a black and white view of the world.
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I think it was a little too early for Cassie's cold and manipulative "Do whatever it takes to survive" side to come out. She was still a scared kid with a black and white view of the world. I don't think in the first book she'd have it in her to kill someone, she didn't even have it in her to get a decent battle morph XD So my vote is that she was somehow indirectly responsible for the cop's death.
Part of me wonders maybe if she did kill him, and it mentally scarred her into adopting a black and white view of the world.
All of the Anis had that black and white view in the beginning (especially Jake), as most kids their age did. The exception might have been Marco. Even back then he was more of a realist compared to the rest of his crew
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id read it as she wasnt directly responsible for killing him, however she had the chance to save him and didnt.
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Woahhh... I never noticed that before!!! :o
That just seems so... unlike Cassie.
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about the not saving him part? Yeah, i think cassie would have saved him
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Well yeah and I mean how did i never notice that part before??
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My best guess is that she maybe she "let him" die. In Cassie's mind, that could have probably been just as bad as killing him.
Though, I think it's consistent with Cassie's character that, even if there was no way to save him, she would have just been traumatized by seeing him die period and wouldn't have wanted to talk about it.