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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: AnimorphsLuver on October 14, 2011, 09:19:18 PM
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Ok, I'm trying to make a list of things that would happen if Animorphs were created by Disney:
1.The Animorphs would break into song at the wierdest times.
2. The Animorphs would be animated.
Please add on!
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They would be subtly racist.
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Where'd that part about racism come from? Are you talking about some of the older movies, like Dumbo?
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every odd book would be about the animorphs saving cassie. every even book would be them saving rachel.
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every odd book would be about the animorphs saving cassie. every even book would be them saving rachel.
uh...why?
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every odd book would be about the animorphs saving cassie. every even book would be them saving rachel.
uh...why?
because disney loves to have prince charming rescue the princess?
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The animals in the universe wouldnt have the ability to kill. tigers teeth would be dull and laced with a contact nkockout poison.
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Aww Animorphs should have been made by disney
Jake could be Prince charming, and Marco is weird toady friend
We have "adorable animal" companions, and almost everything can "talk"
Oh what could have been
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Crayak and the Ellimist would have compromised a deal that works for everyone
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Crayak and the Ellimist would have compromised a deal that works for everyone
What Disney films have you been watching? Because in all MY Disney films the villains are brutally killed.
Srsly, can anyone think of a single Disney villain that walked away at the end?
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G-force
Pretty sure Bambi
Captain Hook never officially died in Peter Pan
Alice in Wonderland
In the emporers new groove Yzma and Kronk both lived and proceeded to become characters in a disney channel show where the emporer went to high school
In lilo and stitch Gantu lived
In toy story, sid never died
In toy story 2 and Finding Nemo nobody died at all
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I don't need your petty facts.
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Huh? *is confused now*
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I don't need your petty facts.
Ah thats something that I dont like. You stated something that you felt was true and whe I proved you wrong, you acted as though I did something wrong by taking actual time to research a previous claim.
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I don't need your petty facts.
Ah thats something that I dont like. You stated something that you felt was true and whe I proved you wrong, you acted as though I did something wrong by taking actual time to research a previous claim.
... Okay, dude, I referred to them as "petty facts." Are you seriously taking that statement seriously?
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Relax, lovelies. One was facetious, the other was miffed. Might we move on without further problem?
Where'd that part about racism come from? Are you talking about some of the older movies, like Dumbo?
Movies as recent as Pocahontas and Mulan come with heavily racist / culturist undertones (or overtones, or obvious lack of knowledge of the culture on display).
The animals in the universe wouldnt have the ability to kill. tigers teeth would be dull and laced with a contact nkockout poison.
Where are you getting this? Disney animals are notoriously nightmare fueling for small children, and death (including death-by-animal-attack) is a fairly frequent theme or device: The Lion King, Snow White, Tarzan, the Little Mermaid and Aladdin animated series on the Disney Channel... seriously, no shortage of things being toothsome and nasty.
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Relax, lovelies. One was facetious, the other was miffed. Might we move on without further problem?
Where'd that part about racism come from? Are you talking about some of the older movies, like Dumbo?
Movies as recent as Pocahontas and Mulan come with heavily racist / culturist undertones (or overtones, or obvious lack of knowledge of the culture on display).
Why stop there? Further back I say! Peter Pan, "Why is the Red Man Red?"
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Relax, lovelies. One was facetious, the other was miffed. Might we move on without further problem?
Where'd that part about racism come from? Are you talking about some of the older movies, like Dumbo?
Movies as recent as Pocahontas and Mulan come with heavily racist / culturist undertones (or overtones, or obvious lack of knowledge of the culture on display).
The animals in the universe wouldnt have the ability to kill. tigers teeth would be dull and laced with a contact nkockout poison.
Where are you getting this? Disney animals are notoriously nightmare fueling for small children, and death (including death-by-animal-attack) is a fairly frequent theme or device: The Lion King, Snow White, Tarzan, the Little Mermaid and Aladdin animated series on the Disney Channel... seriously, no shortage of things being toothsome and nasty.
Yes but you see no blood at all in most disney movies. the worst you see is a nasty scratch mark. SO the logic of knockout animals being, no blood, and the enemies could be disabled long enough for the yeerk to die
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No blood does not equal no death. It just happens that Disney seems to favour bloodless killing. The killing still definitely happens.
Why stop there? Further back I say! Peter Pan, "Why is the Red Man Red?"
The point we were addressing involved recent instances of racism.
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Looks like this is going to be more of a discussion than a list. Sorry OP.
As to what Animorphs would be like, there would definitely be more undertones of sexual humor. Obscene messages would be spelled out in the stars, certain body parts would be flagrantly displayed on castles and other locations.
Every so often the characters would break out into a choreographed musical number.
Visser Three would have lightening accompany him at every entrance, followed by a close up as he hissed out a declaration. (IE: Triton's Daughter will be mine...)
On the racism issue, I'd say there is a broad line between racism and ignorance. The Redman song from Peter Pan is pretty racist. The general implication is that white people are superior or "correct".
Mulan was more like an attempt to explore a new culture with overuse of references to "honor" and "ancestral guardians", etc. It wasn't trying to be blatantly offensive and the instances where it might have slipped up were forgivable at least.
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it'll probably have princesses and be a fairytale
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Or, it would be exactly as it is, but then get canceled. A few years later they might release a DVD of the first half, but not advertise it. and then because the first DVD set didn't sell well, they wouldn't bother releasing the second half, because obviously there's not enough demand.
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Which movie series was like that? It doesn't ring a bell.
I don't see a lot of race issues in Pocahontas myself...there was some from the POV of the English, especially Ratcliffe, but I don't think it was racist all over.
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TV series, and that would be Gargoyles.
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Visser three would have learned his lesson. Cassie and Jae would have stayed together. Rachel and Tobias would at least get a final kiss
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Visser three would have learned his lesson. Cassie and Jae would have stayed together. Rachel and Tobias would at least get a final kiss
oh, yeah, that would be so true
there will be a "happily ever after" ending with everyone alive and well and happy
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I don't see a lot of race issues in Pocahontas myself
There is no shortage of online lists of just what is wrong with that film (on racial terms), but we'll give a brief one:
-At several points in the film, the Native Americans and English settlers are shown as equal offenders in a conflict.
Reality: the English were undeniably the aggressors, and any fighting done by the indigenous people was that of self-defence and protecting the home and family.
-The ending shows a deceptively positive outlook for interactions between whites and natives.
Reality: If you know any actual Native American history at all, or the modern situation for their nations, this really doesn't need to be spelled out to you.
-The setting of the film bears absolutely no resemblance to the actual location where the historical events referenced by the movie occurred. This added 'scenic quality' allows things like free-fall swan dives off waterfalls into inland lakes, as a way to illustrate the heroine's... diving ability... which has virtually no bearing on the plot.
-The heroine is depicted as significantly older than she was in real life, and she is depicted as saving the life of her 'true love' figure (at least until the sequels retcon that a bit). Her physical traits clearly reflect Eurocentric standards of beauty. She is shown to be "close to nature," and while many Disney 'princesses' have talking animal friends, this movie has no talking animals at all... no, just wild animals interacting fondly with the protagonist. What does talk? A tree. The protagonist goes to a tree for advice. What.
Historically, 'nearness to nature' has translated as propaganda to dehumanize a group or race; this is known as the Noble Savage stereotype. Just because a group of people exist for a long time without electricity, on a diet of non-domesticated meats and both wild and agricultural plants, and they show traits of non-wastefulness, innovation of resources, and the ability to survive in a location that is foreign or 'wilderness' to another group does not make them either 'closer to nature' or less human and 'civilized'.
-The entire plot does a major deviation from the historical event it supposedly describes at a child's level of understanding. To us, that reads as Disney just taking any opportunity and excuse to say, "hey, we're culturally diverse and stuff!" Mulan reads exactly the same way. This is cultural appropriation, and it's based around a set of misunderstandings, and it conveys a story nearly the opposite of historical record.
-The song "Savages" highlights the trope of racism between these groups, and that would almost be enough to subvert some of the previous nasty details... after all, it does portray the English as aggressively racist.
Problem: it also portrays the natives as aggressively racist, not defending their homeland from a violent invading group who possess superior firepower (albeit a total lack of knowledge of the territory).
-Finally, the name of the main character... it's not even her name. It's a nickname. It means "misbehaving little child." Her real name was Matoaka. Way to do your research, Disney.
Link for further reading, if you're interested: http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html (http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html)
This is an article on the Powhatan Nation's actual opinions of the film.
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Back on topic:
All of the main characters would have at least one dead parent, and all the female main characters would have an evil step-parent.
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Marco kind of got one of those when his step mom was infested
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Oooh, good point. Hmn. Jake has the 'evil [step]sibling' thing going on, too, so that's covered.
Plenty of elaborate chase scenes, but none are blatantly humourous a la "Aristocats," except the occasion of Marco driving in gorilla morph (do you just HATE TRASH CANS?!?).
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No blood does not equal no death. It just happens that Disney seems to favour bloodless killing. The killing still definitely happens.
Why stop there? Further back I say! Peter Pan, "Why is the Red Man Red?"
The point we were addressing involved recent instances of racism.
Yep, recent. Because I said 'subtle', and we're more subtle about it these days. By "we", I mean Disney. I hope.
Reading some of these comments, I don't think a lot of people are familiar with Disney films. Knockout poison? Characters die all the time, and it's established that they die.
Anyways, another thing would be that the plots would all deviate in some way from the bloody horror that is the original, such as how Cinderella deviated. Maybe after Rachel died, a kiss from Tobias would bring her back? That would make a lot of people happy, I guess....
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No, in Disney their are deaths but you never see a splatter of guts and blood.dulled blade/teeth and contact knockout poison would allow vicious fight scenes that wouldn't scare 7 year olds
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Tobias would have been cured by Rachel's kiss instead of the Elimmist.
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In movies designed for children, there is very rarely any explicit blood and gore. Nor should there be, honestly. But in The Lion King, the villain is eaten by hyenas while alive and the Good King is trampled by wildebeast. Most fall to their deaths, but very rarely do they reconcile with anyone. I mean heck in Hunchback, we have a song where Frollo talks about guilt and lust. Disney can be more complex than you'd think, if quite a bit Anglocentric. However:
-Comedy relief roles will be increased, like Marco
-The motives of the Yeerks will only ever be implied by their sarcasm and bitterness
-All good characters will receive reasonably happy endings
-They will still play with the nature and cruelty of war, but the effect wouldn't be as strong. However, the Andalites will still be displayed as being arrogant and slighty in the wrong. The Animorphs will explicitly, ham-fistedly discuss that to make it more accessible for younger children
-The Hork-Bajir will have the Noble Savage aspects of their culture played up
-The Yeerks will behave far more like human fascists than usual
-Rachel will be played straight, but Cassie will appear far more timid. After all, Rachel is a "feminist role model"
I've watched a LOT of Disney movies recently. Keep in mind though that this would be "Renaissance Era" Animorphs.
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-All good characters except the paternal/Obi-Wan figure(s) will receive reasonably happy endings
FTFY maybe? :P
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What is FTFY?
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"Fixed that for you"
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No, in Disney their are deaths but you never see a splatter of guts and blood.dulled blade/teeth and contact knockout poison would allow vicious fight scenes that wouldn't scare 7 year olds
Alright. Knock-out poison, then. And instead of 'scaring' kids, you're teaching them complete improbabilities. Unless the only morphs they aquired were poisonous.
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Improbabilities worse than toys coming to life when you aren't looking?
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Link for further reading, if you're interested: http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html (http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html)
This is an article on the Powhatan Nation's actual opinions of the film.
Oh, how I miss working for them. :(
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Improbabilities worse than toys coming to life when you aren't looking?
Ah, see, there is whimsical artistic lisence and teaching factual impossibilites about nature and the animal kingdom. I wouldn't lump these two into the same category. And for the record, toys do that.
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Disney is no stranger to fake facts about animals. In the sixties Disney filmed a bunch of chinchilas jumping off a cliff, which they supposedly do every year. In reality, the cameraman forced them off for good footage
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Lemmings. :P
Also, it wasn't a cliff (just implied in the shots); it was a low table being rotated slowly in front of the camera.
If Disney portrayed Yeerks and Andalites, likely the Andalites would have disproportionately large eyes, maybe even MLP-esque cutie-marks on the haunches. :P
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yeerks would have SOMETHING to make them cute. Pink fur?
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Oooh, pink fur! Thatll be cool. ;)
and the hork bajir and taxxons would have deffinitly be cuter. Maybe the taxxons wouldnt even be cannibals
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Or maybe when they died they would look spontaneously more eatable tham they did before
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Taxxons are already cannibals. *confused*.
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Well yes, but to make it less disgusting the moment they died they would just look a lot more tasty
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I think you'd never see anything get eaten by a Taxxon period.
Or Visser Three.
Or Tobias.
Man things in Animorphs get eaten a lot
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G-force
Pretty sure Bambi
Captain Hook never officially died in Peter Pan
Alice in Wonderland
In the emporers new groove Yzma and Kronk both lived and proceeded to become characters in a disney channel show where the emporer went to high school
In lilo and stitch Gantu lived
In toy story, sid never died
In toy story 2 and Finding Nemo nobody died at all
Pixar movies don't count and neither do YOUR generation's disney movies. Peter Pan, Bambi(aka boring as all ****), Cinderella, and Alice in Wonderland are exceptions to the "villains always die" rule but I'd like to believe the stepmother killed herself and I'm sure the Crocodile will actually do hook in sooner or later
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I think you'd never see anything get eaten by a Taxxon period.
Or Visser Three.
Or Tobias.
Man things in Animorphs get eaten a lot
WHat about stuff ax eats?
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As andalite? no big deal
As human it could go either way-totally censored, or extreme beyond your wildest imaginings...
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I think you'd never see anything get eaten by a Taxxon period.
Or Visser Three.
Or Tobias.
Man things in Animorphs get eaten a lot
WHat about stuff ax eats?
Something like this comes to mind
Sesame Street: Cookie Monster Sings C is for Cookie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8mB6VsUHw#)
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Oh I can picture it now. Ax singing "C is for Cinnamon Bunz-uh"
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I think you'd never see anything get eaten by a Taxxon period.
Or Visser Three.
Or Tobias.
Man things in Animorphs get eaten a lot
WHat about stuff ax eats?
But Ax eats grass and cinnamon buns. That's not exactly killing it to eat it and it's not exactly something you wont show little kids
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Again. Joke. I guess some people can just detect sarcasm over the internet and some people can't. :shrug:
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Oh I can picture it now. Ax singing "C is for Cinnamon Bunz-uh"
Or cig butts yummmmmmmm
(I love Ax, he is so adorable :D)
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So why don't newer movies and Pixar movies count?
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Oh I can picture it now. Ax singing "C is for Cinnamon Bunz-uh"
Or cig butts yummmmmmmm
(I love Ax, he is so adorable :D)
but ax does like cinnamon buns better though ;)
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They would have super annoying side characters!
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No blood does not equal no death. It just happens that Disney seems to favour bloodless killing. The killing still definitely happens.
Why stop there? Further back I say! Peter Pan, "Why is the Red Man Red?"
The point we were addressing involved recent instances of racism.
black fish in little mermaid http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/mermaidracist2.jpg (http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/mermaidracist2.jpg)
the original arabian nights song from aladdin Arabian Nights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPUAhSGZtvU#)
Simba losing his **** when he heard about all the integration scar implemented in the pride lands for the hyenas. I don't have a link, but whatever.
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No blood does not equal no death. It just happens that Disney seems to favour bloodless killing. The killing still definitely happens.
Why stop there? Further back I say! Peter Pan, "Why is the Red Man Red?"
The point we were addressing involved recent instances of racism.
black fish in little mermaid http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/mermaidracist2.jpg (http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/mermaidracist2.jpg)
the original arabian nights song from aladdin (yoink)
Simba losing his **** when he heard about all the integration scar implemented in the pride lands for the hyenas. I don't have a link, but whatever.
I'd say that the Hyena bit doesn't count. Hyenas and Lions aren't exactly bestest buddies, and it's pretty much a conceit of those movies that the Hyenas ARE scum. Total stretch to call that a racist moment.
Edit: I also think people made a much bigger deal of that line in "Arabian Nights" than it deserved (medieval period anywhere was pretty much no fun for anyone) but that's an entirely different can of butthurt worms.
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I don't need your petty facts.
Ah thats something that I dont like. You stated something that you felt was true and whe I proved you wrong, you acted as though I did something wrong by taking actual time to research a previous claim.
... Okay, dude, I referred to them as "petty facts." Are you seriously taking that statement seriously?
WELL. This argument is pretty funny :D I say saying I don't need your pretty facts was pretty disrespectful and that he did prove you wrong. :P
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Considering that situation is already resolved, might we return to the topic without dredging up extinct conflicts, please?
If Animorphs were done strictly by Pixar, not Disney, then there would be a small alien chasing the main cast around, serving as weak comic relief between serious scenes, a la Scrat.
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Considering that situation is already resolved, might we return to the topic without dredging up extinct conflicts, please?
If Animorphs were done strictly by Pixar, not Disney, then there would be a small alien chasing the main cast around, serving as weak comic relief between serious scenes, a la Scrat.
Ax
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Cassie and Jake wouldn't like each other at first. In fact they would hate each other. Then their would be a life saving scene where the wolf lands on the tiger, theirs a moment of silence, and love.
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I really haven't watched Pocahontes (is that how you spell it?) or Mulan, but that doesn't sound racist to me. It's like those politically correct thought-police idiots who say Jar Jar was racist, the Neimoidians were racist, and Watto was racist, when in fact they're only revealing their own racism.
That said, I think the Animorphs in a Disney medium would seem more like the Power Rangers, and Cassie would, of course, be the nature princess who needs rescuing.
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Whoever said nobody died in Finding Nemo is a liar. Nemo's mom was brutally murdered!