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Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Nar Klawip on January 19, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
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If you were Jake, and found out about this, would you be at angry cassie and Ax?
Excerpt from #8 The Alien
"I see," Cassie said. "You know what? Why don't you morph to human and come inside? You could meet my mom and dad. We're just about to have dinner."
<I have eaten already.>
Cassie raised one eyebrow. "You've eaten, huh?" She seemed about to ask me a question, then decided against it. "Okay, but you could still come in. You don't have to eat much. Just hang out. Come on, it would do you good."
<Do me good? Do I seem ill?>
"No. Just lonely. You seem very lonely." The word pierced me. I was surprised how much it hurt.
Yes, I was lonely. But I didn't think the humans knew. <How would you explain to your family who I was?>
Cassie shrugged. "You morphed Jake once, right? So be Jake."
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I...I'd forgotten about this. Wow.
That is messed up.
I mean, if Jake were to find out, of course he'd be hurt. And, wow, that would give him and Cassie an opportunity to work through some actual relationship troubles worse than trying to pretend they're not attracted. And, oh crap, this could make for an interesting fic....
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No, not really. I mean I know they're not supposed to morph for irresponsible reasons, but Cassie was getting some correct vibes that Ax was lonely. It was nice of her to hang out with him. It's not like she sat in his lap and cuddled with him or anything. She's not dirty.
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Personally, I don't know if I would actually be angry, but I would definitely feel very creeped out. The idea that somebody else is pretending to be me, even for the right reasons, is just . . . creepy.
As far as Jake's reaction would go, I'd imagine that he'd feel much the same. I suppose he might be angry at first, but I think Cassie would take all the blame for the idea, and we all know that Jake can't stay angry at Cassie for long. Mostly I think he'd just be creeped out.
And I agree, this would make for excellent fic material.
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Yeah I'm sure some people would be angry at this, but mostly Jake would just be a bit creeped out, or maybe a bit worried that Ax made him look strange, lol.
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If it were somebody else, yeah, I might worry. But this is Cassie were talking about. She wouldn't do something like that, really. And, if Jake really knew Cassie and found out, I would hope that he would know that she wouldn't do anything dirty with Ax.
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First of all, I think jake might have known it was going to happen before hand! You have to remember that at the time this book was written, everyone in the group was trying to be friendly with Ax, to gain his trust, and to learn his secrets. Part of me wonders if Jake himself didn't, after hearing Cassie talk about how she thought Ax was lonely, order Cassie to bring Ax to meet with her family to try and get him to open up. Even if Jake didn't know about it beforehand, he trusts Cassies judgement. Jake has repeated how much he trusts cassie's opinion with people, and her ideas when it comes to human beings, in nearly every book he was the narrator in.
I don't really think he'd feel creeped out or bothered at all, if anything, I think he would feel MORE love for cassie because of her kind heart.
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Well, considering Jake had to see a shrink the last time Ax pretended to be him, I would be more than a little concerned. I agree with Poparena that it would have made more sense for Ax to do his own morph. Fortunately Cassie's parents didn't find it at all odd that Jake was behaving rather strangely.
Remember, this is the kid they had over for Thanksgiving. They know him pretty well and they should have picked up on Ax's behavior. Chalk that up to a KASU I suppose.
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Personally, I'd find it a little strange, but not violated. As long as nothing happened I would be okay. But I thought Cassie getting Ax to morph Jake was a little hypocritical. I mean, she was the one who thought it was wrong to morph dolphins, because, apparently "dolphins are people too." I know Ax morphed Jake when Jake became a controller, but that's a little different. He had to morph him to cover for Jake. Having him morph Jake because he was a lonely is a different situation entirely.
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Never really thought about that until now....Hmmm
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I don't know why he didnt do "Phillip" again. introduce him as Jakes canadese cousin who came down to see California.
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Nah I wouldn't be violated by it at all..but then again that is just me.
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Umn... all emotional reasons aside (I wouldn't personally mind it for those reasons)...
...is everybody completely failing to notice the glaring breach in security that is happening there?
Cassie has literally zero proof that her family contains no Controllers. She just hasn't seen them doing Controller-isch things. Ax has a tendency to not act very human, when he's in human morph.
In Jake's position, I would be absolutely irate at the completely idiotic risk she is taking by having Ax visit her family as Jake-morph.
But that's just little ol' cautious me. *shrug*
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Didn't this happen two books after they sent Ax to spend three days in a house with a KNOWN controller there? I'd be mad at him if he got mad at her for doing that. Spending one dinner with two possible controllers is not as risky as spending days with a known one.
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It's not the act itself that's bothering me as much as Cassie's attitude. She's the one saying can't morph another human, and she seems way to eager to break her own rules. Granted her heart was in the right place this time and hindsight has influenced my opinion cause I don't think the whole not morphing people wasn't made clear until book 16.
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Hmmm,yeah Cassie's attitude wasn't always the best(if ever) but I don't really feel I'd be violated but that is just my pov.
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Would I? Hmm, definitely because I tend to have a low opinion of myself, and I don't want anyone doing ANYTHING to decrease that opinion, i.e. impersonating me and making me look even worse (than I think I do :P).
But I don't think Jake would be mad for several reasons. One, he's known Cassie a long time (when was it said that anyway, it doesn't SEEM like they've known each other long in MM#4) and trusts her judgment, so I think he'd probably be glad because remember, they were trying to get information out of Ax, so if this helped him to become more trusting of them, so be it. Two, as anyone with a brain knows, Jake REALLY likes Cassie and couldn't stay mad at her for long when she FREAKIN' ALMOST GOT TRAPPED AS A SKUNK, which was one of her more idiotic things (not morally questionable). And finally, he doesn't seem like the type to get disturbed with someone parading around as him. Was he upset in #6? Granted, he had more important things on his mind, but still...
There, I've said my two cents. Anyone got a counter for that?
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No counter from me your logic seems well thought it besides I wouldn't want to argue with you, you really welcomed me when I came to the forum.
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Well thanks. I remember when I first came here. ;D
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Ok back on topic. Actually rather does anyone feel this topic should be close. I mean does everyvody agree that you shouldn't feel violated and it was justified.
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Would you feel violated if a girl you liked got your alien friend to dress up like you, have dinner with her family and spend some alone time together?
Yeah, probably not. Now if it was a girl you didn't like... or didn't know... that would be different.
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On a related topic, how do you think Marco felt when David morphed him?
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He was probably excited to actually see what he looked like without a mirror.
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That's kind of different.
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yes he has point. Totally different sircumstances.
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I ask about David morphing Marco because it's one of the few times where we actually see why the "no morphing humans" rule exists. And Marco's reaction to the morph is never explored. I know his reaction is obvious and taking the time to do so would impede Book 22, but it would have been interesting to have more insight.
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true true but maybe thats something for a new thread
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Okay, I'm coming out of retirement to answer this.
I really don't think it is that big of a deal. First off I don't think Jake is irrational enough to be hurt by Ax acting as him in order to relieve a bit homesickness. Also Cassie didn't use him for her own purposes, she just thought she was helping.
If Jake found out he might be a bit jealous but I don't think he would be hurt. I think that his primary objection would be the risk that Cassie was taking.
As for the no morphing humans rule, the controll of simple instincts is something humans do everyday, control their instincts and impulses to prevent themselves from doing stupid things. When morphing an intelligent species they simply take their instincts nothing more.
I believe the no morphing human rule exists because of the importance of identity. I admit Jake would be a wee bit ticked off that Ax was disguised as him but I think he would understand.
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if i were jake? well...cassie was trying to help ax which jake would most likely like but morphing hime without permission? i don't know about that then, i wouldn't mind that much but jake might
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Remember, they were also trying to get information out of him. If Jake thought that would help him do it, I don't think he'd hesitated.
To the "David morphing Marco" debate I have a theory about that. Marco doesn't tend to focus on the negative in his life. He himself has said that he wants to focus on the silly, idiotic, funny side. It doesn't seem in his character to ponder deeply about the fact that his hated enemy was using his form. Maybe he'd be a little disturbed, but I think he'd move past that because hey, it's over and done with, no changing it now. Plus it could be used as material for new jokes! Ok, whoa, I DEFINITELY overthought that one... :P
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Personally, I would not really feel violated, just a bit worried bout what was done in my name and shape. One thing I would definitely do, though, is getting the person who morphed me to promise to always inform me if he morphs me again, preferably before the morph. Then again, anyone who could morph me would be someone I really trust, so no reason to be all that worried.
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Can't say I would be. I would understand that Cassie was just doing something nice for Ax. Now it does show further evidence that Cassie is a hypocrite when it comes to morphing sentient beings, but I still wouldn't be upset over the matter.
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well ax already kind of had permission
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I...I'd forgotten about this. Wow.
That is messed up.
I mean, if Jake were to find out, of course he'd be hurt. And, wow, that would give him and Cassie an opportunity to work through some actual relationship troubles worse than trying to pretend they're not attracted. And, oh crap, this could make for an interesting fic....
I bet that the above happened off camera.