Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: Yorick Brown on July 15, 2008, 12:37:33 AM
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1) After the Yeerks took his parents
A. Killed him
B. Gave him to the Yeerks
C. Made him an Animorph
2) If C, after he turned murderous traitor
A. Killed him
B. Give him the box as demanded
C. Trap him in a morph
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Easy. Give him to the Yeerks. He was much safer with them than he was with the Animorphs. With the Animorphs he was only a burden they had to bear. Where was he going to live? Dead weight if you ask me. Couldnt kill him, the Animorphs arent about that. Plus it was obvious he was a sociopath from the start. Cassie's empathy skills really would have helped the situation out in analyzing him.
But once he betrayed them, trapping him was the best solution. Death shouldn't be an option. Only in direct self-defense.
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1. C - That would be the only thing I really could have done.
2. A - He tried to kill everybody else, so he deserved to die as well.
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Couldn't they just have trapped him in morph originally but not a mouse or something.
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1- C (I'd feel like the biggest @$$hole on earth if I handed him over to the Yeerks or killed him)
2- A (After everything he did to Tobias, Jake, Marco, and Saddler, I'd lose a sympathy for him and would talk Rachel and Cassie out of just trapping, he'd have to die especially since trapping him as a rat wouldn't work*Cough*#48*cough*)
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1. C...There's no way after he had lost his parents that I would've left him or killed him.
2. A...He did a lot of bad stuff that made him deserve to be killed rather than trapped.
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1) After the Yeerks took his parents:
Well I couldn't have killed him even if I wanted to, so that's out. I don't think I could have left him for the Yeerks either (unless I knew he was going to betray us). So yeah, if I didn't know any better, then my only option would be making him an Animorph.
2) If C, after he turned murderous traitor:
I would never give him the box, God knows what kind of damage he could do with it. I would definitely kill him in self-defence if he came after me or anyone I cared about (or if he actually killed somebody). Besides that, I'd stick with trapping him in morph. He deserved it.
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I had agreed with Ax right off the bat, I would have voted him to be left for the yeerks. We could have saved him later. But since I would have been out-voted anyhow and he would have been made an Animorph, trapping was the best alternative. Killing is something none of them were quite ready for except I would have seen to it that he was placed somewhere a bit more isolated like where Cassie got lost in (I think it was 19).
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B, even if the most humane thing to do is A if you are gonna leave him to be infested, i really couldnt do it, and ax was right, too much risk not enough reward
A, I always thought trapping him was more of the cowards way out, its a long drawn out torture because they couldnt do the dirty deed, even tho i completely understand and cant reasonably expect someone to be able to do that, in the end killing him is the right thing to do
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I do agree that killing would have been the right thing to do, but given how far into the war this was then. They still were believing that they could and should save every human life to the best of their abilities. You also see in the series how much of a hard time some of them had coping with that (especially Rachel) so killing David really would have hit them even more. But still, life as a rat or no life at all. Personally I'd rather be dead then to be trapped an alone on some deserted island and stuck in the body of a rat.
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Dereke???
Anyhoo, I'd pick C first, just cuz it seems promising, then A.
There was always a chance someone would get wind of him, too be a threat, put him done is the only way for a safety point of view
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The first C the second first C then A (first trap him in morph, then kill him) even if I knew what he was gonna be like.
The first, C, because no matter bad he is, I can't just sell him out. that might make me as bad as the yeerks. and I can't kill him as a human, I don't like the sight of a dead human.
The last C then A, because it's more merciful and humane than just C, although I would so hate being the one to have to do it. It may not be as bad as seeing a dead human, but seeing a dead rat is still scary. And can't use B because the animorphs will need the blue box later for aftran and the auxilaries.
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I completely agree. Handing him over to the Yeerks would not be an option for me. And, though killing him would be extremely difficult, leaving him as a rat would have just been too hard. I wouldn't be able to do it.
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You guys can't be serious. Seems like most of you would make David an Animorph JUST to kill him. Everyone was at fault in the situation, David AND The Animorphs. They made him what he was by how they treated him. But David was still responsible for his actions.
David was safer with the Yeerks. Much safer. He'd lose his freewill, but it was more dangerous for the Animorphs to have to take care of him, especially during a critical time in the war. They didnt have time to babysit him or his ego. Plus where was he going to live? Too much of a hassle. And they didn't know much about him either. Y bother dealing with him when it clearly wasnt going to work out.
They would have a better chance making Melissa Chapman an Animorph. Which reminds me, does anyone else think Melissa would have been a better addition to the team? I mean her parents were Controllers and I hated the fact that she remained oblivious to all this throughout the series. Knowing what was going on would have helped ease her situation. Ignorance is never liberating. They should have made her one of them.
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Actually, ignorance IS bliss. I can perfectly understand why the Animorphs wouldn't want to make her one of them.
No way would Rachel let her best friend join this nightmare and make her suffer not only while fighting the Yeerks but also go through the same pain that Jake feels at home living with controllers
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Actually, ignorance is bliss. No way would Rcahel let her best friend join this nightmare and make her suffer not only while fighting the Yeerks but also go through the same pain that Jake feels at home living with controllers
I disagree.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality." - George Bernard Shaw
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I don't really understand what that quote is saying... uh the one by George Bernard Shaw, not by Yorick
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I don't really understand what that quote is saying... uh the one by George Bernard Shaw, not by Yorick
Drunk people are happy because they're drunk. The fact that they're happy doesn't change the fact that they're only happy because they're under the influence.
The same thing goes with ignorance.
The quote is talking about organized religion but I think it applies to ignorance in general.
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This is going off-topic though. I just disagree with the idea that ignorance is bliss.
I think giving Melissa the morphing power would be unnecessary and too risky.
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Ignorance is only blissful as long as you remain ignorant. Sooner or later, you won't be ignorant anymore, and you'll be unhappy with yourself for being so stupid earlier.
I agree that recruiting Melissa as an Animorph is a terrible idea. Jake had enough problems with Tom, so Melissa would be caught out pretty quickly with two Controllers for parents, and when that happens the rest of the gang are screwed.
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More like angry and regretful that you're no longer ignorant but I see your point.
I still say that keeping Melissa away from the fight is perfectly understandable decision.
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thing is, think about it, melissa is after all rachels friend... would you want to ask your friend to risk their life fighting a war? plus, isn't there a saying "the less they know the better?" what can they tell her? Oh they are the animorphs, fighting against the yeerks. Doing so would reveal vital information about them that they don't want the yeerks to know in the first place. It's especially dangerous since she's got controllers for parents. If some mishap happened it would be over for the animorphs. Melissa would be in danger, the truth is out, and its all over. Tho on the other hand she could be like some what of a "spy"...but its just too risky in my opinion.
David's just a lost cause it would of been better to leave him alone.
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Hey, if the Ellimist stacked the deck then why isn't Melissa there? I mean Rachel has no connection to the war while Melissa has an obvious one. I just seems like it would make sense that she would be there.
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yea its like adding a useless character so to speak.
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Actually, I think Rachel was part of the link. She was best friends with the daughter of an important controller and another friend who has access to animals.
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:sign18:
1:Made Him an Animorph
2:KILL THE LITTLE ******!!!
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If I knew how he was going to turn out, I would say give him to the Yeerks-- though, I think it would pose just as much of an issue, since his Yeerk would have found it suspicious that Marco was asking so many questions about the box (having access to David's memories). Otherwise, I probably would have made him an Animorph.
After finding out he was a sociopath? I don't know. Obviously, keeping him around is not an option. Giving him the cube would probably lead to David giving morphing powers to thugs; Psychomorphs. I wouldn't have killed him, but trapping him as a rat seems just as cruel.
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1) After the Yeerks took his parents
C. Made him an Animorph.
As much as I'm in Marco's shoes a lot, I think I would have been more willing to give the kid a chance than he was at first. Besides, there's nothing else they can really do. Killing him makes them no better than the Yeerks really, and giving him to the Yeerks would go against everything they're fighting for.
2) If C, after he turned murderous traitor
A. Killed him
Only after everything got as bad as it did. At first, I would have done what they did, try to get him to stop, but once it was obvious that he was willing to kill as well, he forfeits any 'oh woe is me' factor he had before.
Obviously, keeping him around is not an option. Giving him the cube would probably lead to David giving morphing powers to thugs; Psychomorphs.
...That actually would have been a cool route to take the story for a bit, now that I think about it. The Animorphs would have had to deal with both Yeerks and a rouge group of their own.
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Hey, if the Ellimist stacked the deck then why isn't Melissa there? I mean Rachel has no connection to the war while Melissa has an obvious one. I just seems like it would make sense that she would be there.
Because Melissa's not that important, and the Elimmist thought that if he stacked too much, Crayak would notice?
As to David, I would have had Ax (or someone else in thought speak) speak to him from a distance, tell him the very basics "your parents have been taken over by brain controlling slugs" and then let him go on the run by himself.
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1. C - That would be the only thing I really could have done.
2. A - He tried to kill everybody else, so he deserved to die as well.
ditto... absolute ditto....
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Hmmm... This thread is interesting.
I would probably have made him an animorph, then killed him.
BUT. If I had known more about his personality: ie that he was a socio path... Is there a way to send him out there with no knowledge of the animorphs identities, and let him fight as a lone wolf? Maybe have Ax pretend to be Elfangor and present him with the blue box that way?
David would have been AMAZING as a lone wolf. He has no moral quams, and would assassinate key players in the yeerk forces. Not having a team around him might make him more effective too (although he would probably die eventually, in a battle where his stealth cover had been blown.)
It is really risky, because the yeerks might get another morph capable host, but I get the feeling that visser 3 would kill another morph capable host, just so he could remain top dog.
Obviously, they would never have had time in that alley to think of this and it is morally sketchy at best. The better solution would just be to let him live with the Chee.
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Maybe David would have turned out better if they didn't treat him as if he was a burden. I get that they were fighting a war, and didn't have the time to boost his ego and tend to his every whiny need. But, I think a lot of people tend to ignore the fact that David was used to a particular life style; so maybe I can understand why he would find sleeping in a barn to be degrading. I mean, imagine if you grew up in a somewhat privilidged home and suddenly had all of that taken away from you. Then you're forced into a war that you never wanted to be a part of, and have to work with people who just don't like you. You'd start to feel like a charity case, and antagonize the people who saved your ass. David doesn't think he owes the Animorphs anything, but he does. His ego just blinded him. I'm sure he would have turned out differently if, say, he was one of the kids walking through the construction site and met Elfangor.
I don't think David would have been better off with the chee. Sure, he would have prefered it to living in the barn. But I think that he would be just as arrogant and reckless if he was living with PACIFISTS! Imagine living with Androids who consider violence to be...well, bad! He would have thought they were stupid, and probably would have broken into a hotel anyway. Besides, David was rude to Tobias and Ax because they weren't human. Imagine what would happen if he discovered that Erek wasn't the typical joe that he appeared to be.
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That is a really interesting idea: would things have turned out differently if David had been with the group from the start.
I get the feeling that him and marco would have been friends, I mean, they both wouldn't have wanted to fight. They are both REALLY similar when you get down to it, the humour and I think Marco has some psychopathic tendancies "the bright, clear line." That is probably why Marco didn't like David so much, he saw himself in him.
To be honest I am starting to wish Marco had narrated the third book instead of Rachel... Because Rachel is violent, but marco is "cold dude" like david.
But yeah, I can imagine, that in a different context David could have worked out.
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If David was only willing to see past the fact that Tobias, at the time, wasn't technically a human, then they could have been good friends. Both of them being new, and having few friends...yea, I can see them being friends.
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just imagine if david really WAS a "lone wolf"
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This is what I would have done. First, I know they were doing a very important mission, but they needed to have spent more time with David. Instead of sticking him in the barn, I would have asked Erik if he could crash at his place. Give David a room in a house, instead of sleeping on a hay pile listening to all sorts of animals make noise 24 hours a day. He wouldn't even have to be told Erik was an android. Just take him to Erik's place, and tell him he could stay there as long as he didn't snoop around or ask too many questions.
It would give him a comfortable place to stay and Human-like interaction in what has to be a traumatic time for him. Yes I know he has previous problems. He named his cat Megadeath, his likely illegal cobra Spawn, and his first reaction to invading birds was to grab the bb gun. However, he still needed some care in his time of distress and vulnerability.
Though I'm actually one of the people that doesn't think David trying to take Jake's cousin's life over is a moral event horizon. Extreme yes, but not evil to the point of no return.
If worse came to worse, and I was put in a position where he needed to be dealt with, it would be a quick death. Not trapping him as a rat to live out a miserable life until something eats him. I just think about the rat Tobias saw in the last book that had half a tail and was seemingly the smartest rat Tobias had ever seen. Was that David? Were those two really watching each other, not realizing the other was a nothlit? We'll never know.
@TobiasMasonPark: Why would David break into a hotel if he was staying with Erik? He broke into it so he could lay on a bed and watch TV. What would be the point if he was already staying in a guest bedroom at someone's house?
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What I meant was that, if David ever did find out he was living with Androids, he would have treated them the same way he treated Ax and Tobias; as a sub-class species and not intelligent beings. If Erek saw David doing something like shooting birds, or speaking in a certain way, he would probably say something like, "While I respect you, I think you should be careful," because he's a pacifist. David, being the arrogant kid he is, probably would have thought Erek was an idiot because of his philosophy of non-violence. He probably would have left out of frustration.
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He might have. Of course he wasn't really given much time to get used to things like a bird who was born a Human, or an alien that's not Human but still a sentient being.
Besides, not all characters have to be open minded and stuff. David could have been the group anti-hero.
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Maybe. But you know what I always wondered? What would David have done with the box if the Animorphs just handed it to him? Would he make his own team?
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I think he made it clear he would make his own team, and do whatever he wanted with the power. I forget whether or not he gave up on his parents by the end of the trilogy.
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I would have made him an Ani.
After he messed up, I'd have killed him.
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it seems that option is the most popular
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I guess if people want David dead so badly, then KA succeeded in making him a good villain.
That, an David gets a bad rap.
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well we all knew he was bad with a cat called megadeth. it's not a normal death, it's a mega death!
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If I was actually the writer, I would have had him be a recurring villain starting with book 27. given morphing ability by Crayak, plus some extra superhuman power. Not to the extent of mega Rachel, but he would be more powerful than normal in any form he took.
When mentioning this, most people have said the Ellemist wouldn't allow that. But who knows what favors Crayak might be able to call in, since either player can ask something of the other in exchange for something else? That's been established in book 41.
He'd be a loose cannon that caused trouble for the Anis and Yeerks alike.
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imagine if that did happen... althoguh i'm not really qualified to write a fanfic of a what if for a book i haven't read.
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Honestly, I would never have given him the morphing ability.
Lets just say I was actually one of the Animorphs. And lets say I didn't know what was going to happen or had no idea how the story would play out. One of the things I like about Marco is that he will get to the bare bones of any situation or person and he will drag it out into the open.
People write Marco off as a cynic. They always write a guy off as a cynic if he laughs at a situation. But the people who laugh are always taking it the most seriously. I'm a strict follower of Murphy's law and if Marco can spot a flaw in any plan I have, I'm going to scrap the plan. Plain and simple.
Everything he said about David, even when I read the books, made sense to me. Everything in David's personality sent up warning bells. I mean come on, his dad grounds him on the word of a psychic talking snake. What kind of home life did this kid have if his father didn't at least consult David on any potential wrong doing? Much less wrong doing imparted by an entity that neither of them should be able to explain just yet.
So, in David's mind, losing his parents to the Yeerks must have been a liberating experience as opposed to the trauma it should have been. A person with that kind of mindset shouldn't be given two sticks to rub together much less morphing technology.
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I don't remember his dad grounding him. Plus he was willing to give V3 the cube to rescue his parents.
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I need to get a hold of the books. But after Marco gives David's father a BS line about David cutting class, etc, etc, the first thing his dad says to David on David's entry is "You're grounded!"